America's Unjust Sex Laws

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] In no way did your response answer his question. Your response consisted of two parts: Part 1: Anyone with morality and ethics finds prostitution wrong Part 2: I find it wrong! You then added in an irrelevant thought that there are plenty of other ways of making money, which is completely obvious. But none of these things actually presented any reason WHY prostitution is wrong. Illegal, yes. And yes there is a big difference between forced and willing prostitution. But you did not in any way back up your claim with any reasoning other than to restate your own beliefs.mrbojangles25

Excuse me, i'll just say...My opinion is that it's wrong etc etc..

why?

Because (i'm going by my moral beliefs) i feel as if selling your body for money is both degrading and pathetic..

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

my bad...but it's enough to live on..

mohfrontline

Edit - nocoolnamejim said this better right above me.

Maybe someone doesn't want to go through the whole courting, dating etc that would come with finding someone to "love". I don't think it is pathetic or desperate at all. If someone wants to spend money on sex rather than say video games, whats the problem with that? Different entertainment for different people.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="narutoisapirate"]why should prostitution be legal?

Xx_Hopless_xX

Uhh..no...don't feel like being propositioned by a prostitute while on my way to the store...thank you very much..

because it's not that hard to have sex with someone you love. Paying for it seems pathetic and desperate if you ask me. And the prostitute should find a better job, she has to give most of her money to the "pimp" anyway.mohfrontline

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Why should the government keep people from being able to have sex? When it is legal, it is safer (for both parties involved), and the government gets tax revenue.Ontain

Uhh..no...don't feel like being propositioned by a prostitute while on my way to the store...thank you very much..

Good point...

Sex is in all forms of advertising media yet no one is allowed to do it.

Because (i'm going by my moral beliefs) i feel as if selling your body for money is both degrading and pathetic..

Xx_Hopless_xX

[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]because it's not that hard to have sex with someone you love. Paying for it seems pathetic and desperate if you ask me. And the prostitute should find a better job, she has to give most of her money to the "pimp" anyway.Engrish_Major

Why..may i ask..are you so "Pro Prostitute"..just curious...you don't have to answer..

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• It is safer for the buyer
• It is safer for the prostitute
• It frees up police to combat violent crimes
• It frees up the court system and jails
• It adds tax revenue
• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police
• Lonely people can have sex safely and privately

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

$10 an hour isn't too bad...thats around (working 10 hrs a day 5 days a week) $5,000 a week...people live on it...

Locke562

Why..may i ask..are you so "Pro Prostitute"..just curious...you don't have to answer..

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"]because it's not that hard to have sex with someone you love. Paying for it seems pathetic and desperate if you ask me. And the prostitute should find a better job, she has to give most of her money to the "pimp" anyway.Xx_Hopless_xX

Why..may i ask..are you so "Pro Prostitute"..just curious...you don't have to answer..

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• It is safer for the buyer
• It is safer for the prostitute
• It frees up police to combat violent crimes
• It frees up the court system and jails
• It adds tax revenue
• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police
• Lonely people can have sex safely and privately

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

Engrish_Major

Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

Because (i'm going by my moral beliefs) i feel as if selling your body for money is both degrading and pathetic..

Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]You can find it pathetic, that's fine. But why does that mean it should be illegal? There are plenty of lonely people out there. Not everyone has a willing partner waiting for them at home. Nobody still can give a logical reason why it should remain illegal, when there are plenty of logical reasons why it should not be.IndigoSunrise

Why..may i ask..are you so "Pro Prostitute"..just curious...you don't have to answer..

No..i was just wondering why he wants it legal and not other things..in no way was it meant to suggest he frequented them..

Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

Xx_Hopless_xX

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• It is safer for the buyer
• It is safer for the prostitute
• It frees up police to combat violent crimes
• It frees up the court system and jails
• It adds tax revenue
• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police
• Lonely people can have sex safely and privately

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

Engrish_Major

Agreed...I debated this topic in my economics class using the same reasons

Add: I do not want my government establishing morals

-it is great when you agree with the gov., but what about when you don't

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• It is safer for the buyer
• It is safer for the prostitute
• It frees up police to combat violent crimes
• It frees up the court system and jails
• It adds tax revenue
• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police
• Lonely people can have sex safely and privately

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

Xx_Hopless_xX

Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

Engrish_Major

Can't really find any reason except for my moral beliefs to make it illegal hence "Self Pwnage"..i admit defeat lol..:|..really doesn't matter as long as it doesn't affect me or my family...

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

Excuse me, i'll just say...My opinion is that it's wrong etc etc..

Xx_Hopless_xX

why?

Because (i'm going by my moral beliefs) i feel as if selling your body for money is both degrading and pathetic..

You see, there's your problem right there. Your justification for why something should be illegal is because you personally don't like it. That's not how democracy works. Our laws are not in place for the purpose of your personal piece of mind, they're for everybody and there's going to be things you don't like but you have to deal with it. To say something should be illegal and your only support is that you personally find it wrong with no logical reasoning is absurd.

The way I see it is that as long as what you or someone else is doing is not intruding on the rights of someone else you shouldn't be punished. There are grey areas of course, but at its most basic this is what I believe democratic law should be about.

A similar problem is going on with gay marriage still where the only justification for keeping gays from marriage is "I don't think it's right" followed by a string of ridiculous slippery slope arguments.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

Can't really find any reason except for my moral beliefs to make it illegal hence "Self Pwnage"..i admit defeat lol..:|

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]

why?

jazznate

Because (i'm going by my moral beliefs) i feel as if selling your body for money is both degrading and pathetic..

You see, there's your problem right there. Your justification for why something should be illegal is because you personally don't like it. That's not how democracy works. Our laws are not in place for the purpose of your personal piece of mind, they're for everybody and there's going to be things you don't like but you have to deal with it. To say something should be illegal and your only support is that you personally find it wrong with no logical reasoning is absurd.

The way I see it is that as long as what you or someone else is doing is not intruding on the rights of someone else you shouldn't be punished. There are grey areas of course, but at it's most basic this is what I believe democratic law should be about.

A similar problem is going on with gay marriage still where the only justification for keeping gays from marriage is "I don't think it's right" followed by a string of ridiculous slippery slope arguments.

Anyone have a spare flame suit...?..I already admitted that i don't care etc...

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

Engrish_Major

Where's your logic now?

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]Hmm..nope (Self Pwnage)..

Can't really find any reason except for my moral beliefs to make it illegal hence "Self Pwnage"..i admit defeat lol..:|

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Logical reasons (not opinions) why prostitution should be legal:

• Prostitutes who become victims of rape can actually go to the police

Now any reasons why it should be illegal, other than personal opinions?

Where's your logic now?

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"] Nope what?

Engrish_Major

Can't really find any reason except for my moral beliefs to make it illegal hence "Self Pwnage"..i admit defeat lol..:|

Added that..

Where's your logic now?

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

Where's your logic now?

Engrish_Major

Mmmm braaaainsss...

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

Where's your logic now?

Engrish_Major

Both.IndigoSunrise

It can't be both. I lean more to the shop lifting side.

An 18-year-old is legally an adult.

A 16-year-old is a child.

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.

The parent was an accomplice in child molestation because she allowed her underaged kid to marry an adult.

A person who pees outside and exposes his genitals to somebody is doing the same exact thing as an exhibitionist. It isn't that hard to find a bathroom or even a private outdoor place.

The laws are just fine.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

An 18-year-old is legally an adult.

A 16-year-old is a child.

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.

The parent was an accomplice in child molestation because she allowed her underaged kid to marry an adult.

A person who pees outside and exposes his genitals to somebody is doing the same exact thing as an exhibitionist. It isn't that hard to find a bathroom or even a private outdoor place.

The laws are just fine.

th3warr1or

Yeah, he's right here...i think i said that already...i got owned in the prostitute argument though lol..

An 18-year-old is legally an adult.

A 16-year-old is a child.

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.Theokhoth

Otherwise, just so ya know, pedophilia is not the correct term to apply with that case. The term you are looking for is "ephebophilia."

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

Because anyone who has morality and ethics believes it to be wrong and i find it wrong. There are plenty of other way to make money..

Xx_Hopless_xX

Excuse me, i'll just say...My opinion is that it's wrong etc etc..

Questions:

1. Is it ok for a man or woman to have a Sugarmamma or SugarDaddy (someone that pays for everything for them), even if they are monogomous

2. Is it ok for a wife (or husband ) to stay in a marriage soley for financial reasons (divorce is expensive, can't make it on their own, etc.)

3. Is it ok for a husband or wife to give sexual favors as a reward (like many wives do for husbands)

My point being is that there is a very grey area about what is/is not prostitution

rawsavon

exactly. this and the fact that financial stability is a major factor in a woman's decision to marry aman.

Am I saying everyone is a hooker? No, of course not, I dont see sex as vulgur, crude, or any of that nonsense.

All I am saying is that we pay for it in some way or another.

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"] Both.Dystopian-X

It can't be both. I lean more to the shop lifting side.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"] Both.IndigoSunrise

It can't be both. I lean more to the shop lifting side.

But if she is in that business, especially if there is legality involved like some here claim and even more so if there's an establishment where the exchange takes place like say a brothel, she is giving up her body and integrity for the sake of a service becoming that (realistically speaking) so it's shop lifting. ^_^

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.Theokhoth

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"][QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

It can't be both. I lean more to the shop lifting side.

But if she is in that business, especially if there is legality involved like some here claim and even more so if there's an establishment where the exchange takes place like say a brothel, she is giving up her body and integrity for the sake of a service becoming that (realistically speaking) so it's shop lifting. ^_^

An 18-year-old is legally an adult.

A 16-year-old is a child.

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.

The parent was an accomplice in child molestation because she allowed her underaged kid to marry an adult.

A person who pees outside and exposes his genitals to somebody is doing the same exact thing as an exhibitionist. It isn't that hard to find a bathroom or even a private outdoor place.

The laws are just fine.

Theokhoth

While I agree with the outragiousness of some of the laws....curious in the article that it doesn;t give the age of the man the 15 year old had sex with....if the guy was in his 20's....the mother should be held responsible for allowing it....Omni-Slash

I agree, thats highly suspicious.

However if the guy was like 16 or 17 or even 18 I think the mother is sort of setting a good example by ensuring her daughter is having safe sex. I mean, thats about as close to supervised sex as you can get.

Still, I disagree with what she did. Its like the parent that allows their kid to have parties and underage drink...you are authority in their life, not their friend.

[QUOTE="Dystopian-X"]

[QUOTE="IndigoSunrise"] Actually it isn't both its just rape. The prostitute is a woman who offers a service in exchange for money. She herself isn't the product her services which she AGREES to provide is the "product" Since she never agreed its just rape. She didn't offer any sort of service. Without the money exhange willingly its just sex not prostitution. She may be a prostitute but she did not engage in prositution with the person who raped her. IndigoSunrise

But if she is in that business, especially if there is legality involved like some here claim and even more so if there's an establishment where the exchange takes place like say a brothel, she is giving up her body and integrity for the sake of a service becoming that (realistically speaking) so it's shop lifting. ^_^

The raptor question clearly isn't revolving around her outside of the job since if that was the case there would be not much to argue .So we are to assume it is while in it. And if she is just a service, in that case it would be like stealing cable.

Now another more clear scenario, what if she is in the act with a man who payed then another one comes in and forces her, that'd be shop lifting.

[QUOTE="Omni-Slash"]While I agree with the outragiousness of some of the laws....curious in the article that it doesn;t give the age of the man the 15 year old had sex with....if the guy was in his 20's....the mother should be held responsible for allowing it....mrbojangles25

I agree, thats highly suspicious.

However if the guy was like 16 or 17 or even 18 I think the mother is sort of setting a good example by ensuring her daughter is having safe sex. I mean, thats about as close to supervised sex as you can get.

Still, I disagree with what she did. Its like the parent that allows their kid to have parties and underage drink...you are authority in their life, not their friend.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

Still...get a real job...i find them to be one of the most pathetic beings to exist..selling their bodies because they're too lazy to look for a real job..it's not that hard to pick up a newspaper even and look..MCdonald's is always looking for employees yes?

Xx_Hopless_xX

Because it's wrong to pay people for their bodies?..

An 18-year-old is legally an adult.

A 16-year-old is a child.

Therefore, legally, it is pedophilia.

The parent was an accomplice in child molestation because she allowed her underaged kid to marry an adult.

A person who pees outside and exposes his genitals to somebody is doing the same exact thing as an exhibitionist. It isn't that hard to find a bathroom or even a private outdoor place.

The laws are just fine.

Theokhoth

A two year age difference makes it just as bad if it was a thirty year age difference? Nope, something is messed up there. And the age of consent in some U.S. states is 16, so that example would actually be legal.

Here's a compelling question for all the self-righteous types:

In what respect is any women who factors suitors' incomes into her choice of spouse materially different from a prostitute?

Sex is serious buisness therefore sex laws must be serious in order to get the message through to wrongdoers.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopless_xX"]

Still...get a real job...i find them to be one of the most pathetic beings to exist..selling their bodies because they're too lazy to look for a real job..it's not that hard to pick up a newspaper even and look..MCdonald's is always looking for employees yes?

Engrish_Major