Anti-Smokers
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Smoking = completely unnessecary toxins in the air = bad
Why is this so hard to understand?
Smokers need to find another kind of stress relief. Go get a hot girlfriend and have hot sex, play video games, join a club, whatever, just stop adding unneeded crap into the air.
They should add extra heathcare tax to fast food resturants too and anything thats not fruit and veggies. Hell why not tax those too you might eat something that gets you sick.AutoPilotOn
They're starting to add taxes to unhealthy foods and people are complaining about government getting too big. Just like cigarettes, I think as your risk factor for adverse health conditions like diabetes and heart disease goes up then so should your insurance costs.
Hey,if people start riding bicycles instead of cars and use no deodorant and hairspray and whatnot.I might think about quitting. Seriously,we're not the only ones corrupting the air we breath.Smoking = completely unnessecary toxins in the air = bad
Why is this so hard to understand?
Smokers need to find another kind of stress relief. Go get a hot girlfriend and have hot sex, play video games, join a club, whatever, just stop adding unneeded crap into the air.
cgi15
Hey,if people start riding bicycles instead of cars and use no deodorant and hairspray and whatnot.I might think about quitting. Seriously,we're not the only ones corrupting the air we breath.[QUOTE="cgi15"]
Smoking = completely unnessecary toxins in the air = bad
Why is this so hard to understand?
Smokers need to find another kind of stress relief. Go get a hot girlfriend and have hot sex, play video games, join a club, whatever, just stop adding unneeded crap into the air.
Lto_thaG
I believe the tioxins released by cigarettes have a much smaller half-life than, say, methane and they have far less of an impact than aerosols. Also, people should probably be doing those things, anyways.
This is the great anti-smoking rant ever
I don't get it either TC. I think everyone has a way to relax from a long day at work. Some people come home from a long day at work and just want a smoke and beer to relax . . . and some people want to take that away from them.
So now we are only allowed to take in our bodies what is completely nessecary to live?AutoPilotOn
You can do whatever you want with your own body, but smoking doesn't affect just your own body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
53,000 nonsmoker deaths per year.
They could just put all the excessive tax into the healthcare then we have already payed for our hospital bills[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="poptart"]
If the government endorses the sale and promotion of this highly addictive substance, and is comfortable using their sale as a means of tax revenue and that ultimately many of those who succumb to cigarettes will die, shouldn't that be scrutinised more?
theone86
Personally I feel any adverse health effects caused by smoking should be paid for by smokers when they're buying their healthcare and not in a tax. I know some policies do have higher rates for smokers, but I'm unsure as to how universal it is and if smokers do really shoulder a fair share of the burden.
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]So now we are only allowed to take in our bodies what is completely nessecary to live?cgi15
You can do whatever you want with your own body, but smoking doesn't affect just your own body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
53,000 nonsmoker deaths per year.
It does, unless what you're saying is actually happening. It's illegal to smoke inside a restaurant here, and I would never smoke inside my house either.
[QUOTE="cgi15"]
[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"]So now we are only allowed to take in our bodies what is completely nessecary to live?bloodling
You can do whatever you want with your own body, but smoking doesn't affect just your own body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
53,000 nonsmoker deaths per year.
It does, unless what you're saying is actually happening. It's illegal to smoke inside a restaurant here, and I would never smoke inside my house either.
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
Those giant factories with smoke stacks put up far more toxins the cigarette smoke puts out...Smoking = completely unnessecary toxins in the air = bad
Why is this so hard to understand?
Smokers need to find another kind of stress relief. Go get a hot girlfriend and have hot sex, play video games, join a club, whatever, just stop adding unneeded crap into the air.
cgi15
[QUOTE="theone86"]
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"] They could just put all the excessive tax into the healthcare then we have already payed for our hospital billspoptart
Personally I feel any adverse health effects caused by smoking should be paid for by smokers when they're buying their healthcare and not in a tax. I know some policies do have higher rates for smokers, but I'm unsure as to how universal it is and if smokers do really shoulder a fair share of the burden.
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
I loved that clip... Never heard of that guy before, but I like him...This is the great anti-smoking rant ever
I don't get it either TC. I think everyone has a way to relax from a long day at work. Some people come home from a long day at work and just want a smoke and beer to relax . . . and some people want to take that away from them.
hedden93
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
cgi15
No... When you smoke outside, it does absolutely nothing compared to using your car for 1 minute. Please, nobody ever died because of people smoking outside...
[QUOTE="poptart"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Personally I feel any adverse health effects caused by smoking should be paid for by smokers when they're buying their healthcare and not in a tax. I know some policies do have higher rates for smokers, but I'm unsure as to how universal it is and if smokers do really shoulder a fair share of the burden.
theone86
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
In america there is a Federal Tax of one dollar per pack... then each state also has a tax (The average state tax is around 1.50)[QUOTE="theone86"][QUOTE="poptart"]
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
W1ckedGo0se
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
In america there is a Federal Tax of one dollar per pack... then each state also has a tax (The average state tax is around 1.50)Yes, but the federal tax is relatively new, no?
[QUOTE="hedden93"]I loved that clip... Never heard of that guy before, but I like him...He is my favorite comedian and IMO one of the most underrated of all time. I highly suggest you check out more of his material.This is the great anti-smoking rant ever
I don't get it either TC. I think everyone has a way to relax from a long day at work. Some people come home from a long day at work and just want a smoke and beer to relax . . . and some people want to take that away from them.
W1ckedGo0se
In america there is a Federal Tax of one dollar per pack... then each state also has a tax (The average state tax is around 1.50)[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="theone86"]
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
theone86
Yes, but the federal tax is relatively new, no?
I don't believe it is new... They raised it a few years ago, but it's been along longer then I've been smoking...[QUOTE="poptart"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Personally I feel any adverse health effects caused by smoking should be paid for by smokers when they're buying their healthcare and not in a tax. I know some policies do have higher rates for smokers, but I'm unsure as to how universal it is and if smokers do really shoulder a fair share of the burden.
theone86
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
Taxes will keep on rising on cigarettes no doubt - they cost a fortune over here (at the current exchange rate it would put a pack of 20 at over $15 in the US). They'll hike it up again soon under the guise that it'll encourage people to quit - perhaps it will deter some people from starting, but to the those of us who really do struggle to quit it's really just taxing the addicted... Anyway - I'm not really whining - sound like a right grumbler :P
[QUOTE="cgi15"]Those giant factories with smoke stacks put up far more toxins the cigarette smoke puts out...Smoking = completely unnessecary toxins in the air = bad
Why is this so hard to understand?
Smokers need to find another kind of stress relief. Go get a hot girlfriend and have hot sex, play video games, join a club, whatever, just stop adding unneeded crap into the air.
W1ckedGo0se
Disagree. Smoke stacks primarily put C02 emissions, nitrogen oxides, and water vapor. Plus, there are government regulations that inspect all these factories to make sure they are as clean as possible. Additionally, the smoke stacks are generally very tall so that a lot of the emissions will be placed in an atmospheric level that most people won't be breathing. From a purely scientific standpoint, there are far more toxins and more dangerous toxins in cigarette smoke than almost any modern day factory.
[QUOTE="bloodling"]
[QUOTE="cgi15"]
You can do whatever you want with your own body, but smoking doesn't affect just your own body.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_smoking
53,000 nonsmoker deaths per year.
cgi15
It does, unless what you're saying is actually happening. It's illegal to smoke inside a restaurant here, and I would never smoke inside my house either.
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
Cigarette smoke is minimal compared to the toxins pumped out by cars, taxis, buses and industry, I remember a few years ago reading that living in central London by one main road equated to the smoking 20 cigarettes per day in terms of toxins inhaled. I'm sure there are numerous studies conducted by anti-smoking parties proving your point, but I wouldn't give them much credence TBH... Anything burned will pollute the atmosphere I'm sure, and if that's your concern I'm sure there are far larger culprits to target than smokers...
[QUOTE="cgi15"]
[QUOTE="bloodling"]
It does, unless what you're saying is actually happening. It's illegal to smoke inside a restaurant here, and I would never smoke inside my house either.
poptart
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
Cigarette smoke is minimal compared to the toxins pumped out by cars, taxis, buses and industry, I remember a few years ago reading that living in central London by one main road equated to the smoking 20 cigarettes per day in terms of toxins inhaled. I'm sure there are numerous studies conducted by anti-smoking parties proving your point, but I wouldn't give them much credence TBH... Anything burned will pollute the atmosphere I'm sure, and if that's your concern I'm sure there are far larger culprits to target than smokers...
Cars put out more pollution, but the pollution is less dangerous. The number of carcinogens and other deadly chemicals is staggering compared to car fumes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_constituents
The most dangerous thing a car puts out is CO, which is only harmful if you get extremely high doses of it in a contained space.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_is_worst_Car_exhaust_verses_cigarette_smoke
This guy mentions this study which shows that cigarette toxins are far greater than a car (besides the CO)
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12481.php
[QUOTE="poptart"]
[QUOTE="cgi15"]
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
cgi15
Cigarette smoke is minimal compared to the toxins pumped out by cars, taxis, buses and industry, I remember a few years ago reading that living in central London by one main road equated to the smoking 20 cigarettes per day in terms of toxins inhaled. I'm sure there are numerous studies conducted by anti-smoking parties proving your point, but I wouldn't give them much credence TBH... Anything burned will pollute the atmosphere I'm sure, and if that's your concern I'm sure there are far larger culprits to target than smokers...
Cars put out more pollution, but the pollution is less dangerous. The number of carcinogens and other deadly chemicals is staggering compared to car fumes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_constituents
The most dangerous thing a car puts out is CO, which is only harmful if you get extremely high doses of it in a contained space.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_is_worst_Car_exhaust_verses_cigarette_smoke
This guy mentions this study which shows that cigarette toxins are far greater than a car (besides the CO)
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12481.php
What are you on? Dangerous pollutants can create acid rain, they can pollute our breathing air, cause the PPM of oxygen to rapidly decrease, can conctribute to urban heat islands that further reduce air quality, can cause smog, do I really have to go on? Cars are horrible for air quality, anyone who lives in LA can tell you so.
[QUOTE="theone86"]
[QUOTE="poptart"]
Over here in Australia I get spanked on my private healthcare because I'm a smoker, and I accept that. Perhaps cigarette companies who target the young to get them addicted should shoulder some of that cost. The revenue the government gets through smoking tax is phenomenal mind you - far too excessive. Personally I think that tax should certainly subsidise healthcare costs and means to quit smoking.
poptart
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
Taxes will keep on rising on cigarettes no doubt - they cost a fortune over here (at the current exchange rate it would put a pack of 20 at over $15 in the US). They'll hike it up again soon under the guise that it'll encourage people to quit - perhaps it will deter some people from starting, but to the those of us who really do struggle to quit it's really just taxing the addicted... Anyway - I'm not really whining - sound like a right grumbler :P
Well, over here it seems like every time they try to pass another increase it gets harder and harder. I doubt cigarette taxes are going to go up significantly as they have in the past, but in a financial crisis it's very hard to convice lawmakers to get rid of a revenue stream like that.
[QUOTE="poptart"]
[QUOTE="cgi15"]
Smoking outside, while it greatly reduces the effects of secondhandsmoke, doesn't just cause the toxins to magically disappear. They still remain in the atmosphere.
Seriously, there are countless studies by multiple organizations that have been conducted over decades that all say the same thing: smoking harms nonsmokers.
cgi15
Cigarette smoke is minimal compared to the toxins pumped out by cars, taxis, buses and industry, I remember a few years ago reading that living in central London by one main road equated to the smoking 20 cigarettes per day in terms of toxins inhaled. I'm sure there are numerous studies conducted by anti-smoking parties proving your point, but I wouldn't give them much credence TBH... Anything burned will pollute the atmosphere I'm sure, and if that's your concern I'm sure there are far larger culprits to target than smokers...
Cars put out more pollution, but the pollution is less dangerous. The number of carcinogens and other deadly chemicals is staggering compared to car fumes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoke_constituents
The most dangerous thing a car puts out is CO, which is only harmful if you get extremely high doses of it in a contained space.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_is_worst_Car_exhaust_verses_cigarette_smoke
This guy mentions this study which shows that cigarette toxins are far greater than a car (besides the CO)
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/12481.php
I'm aware of the toxins contained within cigarette snoke - I know there are a heap of carcinogens contained within. Interesting I read that final article - the study as put forward by Tobacco Control (an anti-smoking body I can only assume for starters). As one of the comments suggested, given the choice of standing in a locked garage for 30 mins with either a a car engine running for 30 minutes or 3 cigarettes smouldering for the same time, I'd certainly take the latter option!
Having a quick around the Guardian in the UK shows articles like this one here detailing the damage done by pollutants by cars and the equivalent intake if converted to cigarettes.
Regardless, the thing is anyway, that removing cigarettes isn't magically going to produce clean air. There's really no such thing as 'clean air'. You cook your food – pollutants (and if you cook way other than than boiling, then its carcinogenic anyway) If I recall those who work in kitchens are more likely to contract respiratory problems than those who do not. Candles, bonfires – everything's a pollutant to some degree. Cigarettes are not the root of this issue.
I already did cept I am smoking Pall Mall red as I am not a fan of mentholtestfactor888
Pall Mall blue for me atm.:P
[QUOTE="poptart"]
[QUOTE="theone86"]
Well, I know over here cigarette taxes are usually at the state and county levels and not the federal level. I think the new legislation may put an independent tax on cigarettes and other unhealthy food items, I guess they expect citizens who want the taxes to go down to pressure cities and states to lower their own individual taxes. Don't ask me what those taxes are going to exactly, but with something like 17 states running a surplus and the rest running a deficit and many cities hurting as well I don't expect cigarette taxes to drop anytime soon.
theone86
Taxes will keep on rising on cigarettes no doubt - they cost a fortune over here (at the current exchange rate it would put a pack of 20 at over $15 in the US). They'll hike it up again soon under the guise that it'll encourage people to quit - perhaps it will deter some people from starting, but to the those of us who really do struggle to quit it's really just taxing the addicted... Anyway - I'm not really whining - sound like a right grumbler :P
Well, over here it seems like every time they try to pass another increase it gets harder and harder. I doubt cigarette taxes are going to go up significantly as they have in the past, but in a financial crisis it's very hard to convice lawmakers to get rid of a revenue stream like that.
It's not like there's a massive sympathy vote for smokers so they've very little voice (although I expect tobacco companies still wield a fair degree of lobbying power). I just accept it really - I'll give up one day anyway, fingers crossed before some darn respiratory ailment gets me anyway!!
Because we inhale the same damn smoke you are inhaling because YOU decided to smoke. Locutus_Picard
Way to over-generalize...you do not inhale the smoke from my cigarette, as you don't live anywhere near me, and I don't exhale smoke at other people either.:roll:
[QUOTE="theone86"]
[QUOTE="poptart"]
Taxes will keep on rising on cigarettes no doubt - they cost a fortune over here (at the current exchange rate it would put a pack of 20 at over $15 in the US). They'll hike it up again soon under the guise that it'll encourage people to quit - perhaps it will deter some people from starting, but to the those of us who really do struggle to quit it's really just taxing the addicted... Anyway - I'm not really whining - sound like a right grumbler :P
poptart
Well, over here it seems like every time they try to pass another increase it gets harder and harder. I doubt cigarette taxes are going to go up significantly as they have in the past, but in a financial crisis it's very hard to convice lawmakers to get rid of a revenue stream like that.
It's not like there's a massive sympathy vote for smokers so they've very little voice (although I expect tobacco companies still wield a fair degree of lobbying power). I just accept it really - I'll give up one day anyway, fingers crossed before some darn respiratory ailment gets me anyway!!
The only thing that will make me stop smoking is death... I'm assuming it's going to be getting smashed ( I'm hoping for something including a ferris wheel) by something while doing something stupid and smoking...
Why would be a peace with dieing bother anyone? Everyone dies we just wanna die after living our way...[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="theone86"]
This is what bothers them.
theone86
Because they're not at peace with dying, and instead of trying to come to peace with it they spend their lives trying to inject artificial meaning. When they see other people reject that artificial meaning it reveals the artificiality of their own meaning, their fears come to the forefront of their psyche, and instead of deal with them they lash out at those whose peace with death seems incomprehensible to them.
Nice generalisation. I'm concerned about the well-being of other people, call me a fool, an idealist whatever but it's one of the reasons I study medicine. We people spend millions of dollars or whatever your currency is, in order to have a healthy environment and have a healtyh population. Yet, we don't do the things we CAN do to ensure a good health. If we fall ill, we go to see a doctor or go to a hospital. But do we think about the things that CAN be prevented? You're pretty much bombarded with the fact that you need a health lifestyle, yet we one of the easiest thing a global or national population, quit smoking, is completely impossible. Why? My problem is the ideology of the care-free living people rubbing off on people that do not know better. The ideology of ''Everyone's doing it, so it doesn't matter if I do it too.'' is sickening. I might have smoked too if I didn't know the disadvantages and lethal consequences of smoking. Yeah I am one of those people who think that most people are too underinformed to know what's best for them. We need to guide those people. Smoking got accepted somehow whereas doing drugs, coke etc. is not accepted. How is that possible? Some drugs are old as tabacco itself. It's because we all collectively endorsed smoking without knowing the lethal and non-lethal consequences. We know now. Time to ban tabacco.The only thing that will make me stop smoking is death...W1ckedGo0se
Part of my family heritage is Native American, and they smoked tobacco for a long time...they have a tolerance for it, perhaps genetic.
I've had a recent chest X-ray, and my lungs are completely healthy.
When poor smokers buy pack after pack of cigarettes, damaging their health and wasting their money, it creates a health and tax problem. Instead of seeing them as smokers, I see them as $ signs.
When that person inevitably goes into the ER at the local hospital and can't possibly hope to afford the surgery or stay at the hospital, who foots the bill? Are other smokers going to come in and help them out? No. Taxpayers step in. The people that pay for roads, city infrastructures, and yes, even hospitals now have to foot the bills for countless millions of people all over the world that can't possibly pay for that hospital bill.
Even if you make a decent amount of money, the debt incurred by hospital treatments can be astronomical. Usually, this bill gets sent to taxpayers too.
I don't care if you smoke, but you better be rich enough to afford your own health care and treatments because I'll be damned if I'm going to keep doing it.
Another reason why cigarettes keep going up and up is due to this very idea. If you want to kill yourself, be my guest. Spend more on cigarettes and then **** about it later. You're putting a down payment on a hospital bed that I don't want to pay for.
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"]The only thing that will make me stop smoking is death...topsemag55
Part of my family heritage is Native American, and they smoked tobacco for a long time...they have a tolerance for it, perhaps genetic.
I've had a recent chest X-ray, and my lungs are completely healthy.
Then do you wanna die in a freak ferris wheel accident with me? As long as I go out in style I don't care when or where...That is not at all why cigarettes go up.... The taxes from cigarettes normally go to schools... Anyway people that smoke tend to pay more for private health care and if something happens to them health care helps them out... I don't believe the tax payers come in all that often, but sense we are giving the governments billions a year that they spend on schools and what ever this wish your money can go towards the few smokers that need assistance from the tax payers... Out of your Income taxes I'm sure less then $100 dollars went to help a smoker, but I'm sure that smoker spent thousands of dollars (at least 2 dollars a pack and if he smoked a pack a day that's 700+ dollars a year in cigarette taxes) helping build school and hospitals in your area...When poor smokers buy pack after pack of cigarettes, damaging their health and wasting their money, it creates a health and tax problem. Instead of seeing them as smokers, I see them as $ signs.
When that person inevitably goes into the ER at the local hospital and can't possibly hope to afford the surgery or stay at the hospital, who foots the bill? Are other smokers going to come in and help them out? No. Taxpayers step in. The people that pay for roads, city infrastructures, and yes, even hospitals now have to foot the bills for countless millions of people all over the world that can't possibly pay for that hospital bill.
Even if you make a decent amount of money, the debt incurred by hospital treatments can be astronomical. Usually, this bill gets sent to taxpayers too.
I don't care if you smoke, but you better be rich enough to afford your own health care and treatments because I'll be damned if I'm going to keep doing it.
Another reason why cigarettes keep going up and up is due to this very idea. If you want to kill yourself, be my guest. Spend more on cigarettes and then **** about it later. You're putting a down payment on a hospital bed that I don't want to pay for.
starfox15
[QUOTE="poptart"][QUOTE="theone86"]
Well, over here it seems like every time they try to pass another increase it gets harder and harder. I doubt cigarette taxes are going to go up significantly as they have in the past, but in a financial crisis it's very hard to convice lawmakers to get rid of a revenue stream like that.
W1ckedGo0se
It's not like there's a massive sympathy vote for smokers so they've very little voice (although I expect tobacco companies still wield a fair degree of lobbying power). I just accept it really - I'll give up one day anyway, fingers crossed before some darn respiratory ailment gets me anyway!!
The only thing that will make me stop smoking is death... I'm assuming it's going to be getting smashed ( I'm hoping for something including a ferris wheel) by something while doing something stupid and smoking...Personally I'd rather quit - been smoking for over 20 years now which thinking about it is pretty awful. I'd rather regain some lung capacity and live a little personally... But each to their own!!
[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"]The only thing that will make me stop smoking is death...topsemag55
Part of my family heritage is Native American, and they smoked tobacco for a long time...they have a tolerance for it, perhaps genetic.
I've had a recent chest X-ray, and my lungs are completely healthy.
An X-ray doesn't show lesions (types of damage that can result in lung cancer). For now, the only thing you can say about your lungs is that there is no visible disease.Made a typo, not very versed in english. And can't edit my posts on GS so.
Not lesions but very small cancers and pre-cancers (in situ); they're undetectable on X-ray.
[QUOTE="starfox15"]That is not at all why cigarettes go up.... The taxes from cigarettes normally go to schools... Anyway people that smoke tend to pay more for private health care and if something happens to them health care helps them out... I don't believe the tax payers come in all that often, but sense we are giving the governments billions a year that they spend on schools and what ever this wish your money can go towards the few smokers that need assistance from the tax payers... Out of your Income taxes I'm sure less then $100 dollars went to help a smoker, but I'm sure that smoker spent thousands of dollars (at least 2 dollars a pack and if he smoked a pack a day that's 700+ dollars a year in cigarette taxes) helping build school and hospitals in your area...When poor smokers buy pack after pack of cigarettes, damaging their health and wasting their money, it creates a health and tax problem. Instead of seeing them as smokers, I see them as $ signs.
When that person inevitably goes into the ER at the local hospital and can't possibly hope to afford the surgery or stay at the hospital, who foots the bill? Are other smokers going to come in and help them out? No. Taxpayers step in. The people that pay for roads, city infrastructures, and yes, even hospitals now have to foot the bills for countless millions of people all over the world that can't possibly pay for that hospital bill.
Even if you make a decent amount of money, the debt incurred by hospital treatments can be astronomical. Usually, this bill gets sent to taxpayers too.
I don't care if you smoke, but you better be rich enough to afford your own health care and treatments because I'll be damned if I'm going to keep doing it.
Another reason why cigarettes keep going up and up is due to this very idea. If you want to kill yourself, be my guest. Spend more on cigarettes and then **** about it later. You're putting a down payment on a hospital bed that I don't want to pay for.
W1ckedGo0se
http://www.health-insurance.com/cigarettes.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-04-08-fda-tobacco-costs_N.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360912/
2 articles on the true cost of medical bills and a longitudinal study based upon smokers and their bills.
http://www.ehow.com/about_5526865_tobacco-tax-money-go.html
This is where the taxes from cigarettes go.
That is not at all why cigarettes go up.... The taxes from cigarettes normally go to schools... Anyway people that smoke tend to pay more for private health care and if something happens to them health care helps them out... I don't believe the tax payers come in all that often, but sense we are giving the governments billions a year that they spend on schools and what ever this wish your money can go towards the few smokers that need assistance from the tax payers... Out of your Income taxes I'm sure less then $100 dollars went to help a smoker, but I'm sure that smoker spent thousands of dollars (at least 2 dollars a pack and if he smoked a pack a day that's 700+ dollars a year in cigarette taxes) helping build school and hospitals in your area...[QUOTE="W1ckedGo0se"][QUOTE="starfox15"]
When poor smokers buy pack after pack of cigarettes, damaging their health and wasting their money, it creates a health and tax problem. Instead of seeing them as smokers, I see them as $ signs.
When that person inevitably goes into the ER at the local hospital and can't possibly hope to afford the surgery or stay at the hospital, who foots the bill? Are other smokers going to come in and help them out? No. Taxpayers step in. The people that pay for roads, city infrastructures, and yes, even hospitals now have to foot the bills for countless millions of people all over the world that can't possibly pay for that hospital bill.
Even if you make a decent amount of money, the debt incurred by hospital treatments can be astronomical. Usually, this bill gets sent to taxpayers too.
I don't care if you smoke, but you better be rich enough to afford your own health care and treatments because I'll be damned if I'm going to keep doing it.
Another reason why cigarettes keep going up and up is due to this very idea. If you want to kill yourself, be my guest. Spend more on cigarettes and then **** about it later. You're putting a down payment on a hospital bed that I don't want to pay for.
starfox15
http://www.health-insurance.com/cigarettes.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2009-04-08-fda-tobacco-costs_N.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1360912/
2 articles on the true cost of medical bills and a longitudinal study based upon smokers and their bills.
http://www.ehow.com/about_5526865_tobacco-tax-money-go.html
This is where the taxes from cigarettes go.
Did you read the first one? It kinda went with my point... We pay for it our selves with our increased health insurance... while tax payers pay little to nothing and save money because we use less medicare and social security.... Not sure what your still trying to argue now. Also the taxes on cigarettes don't go to that... The Taxes on the cigarettes don't help our health insurance and they don't pay for any of our health insurance bill...
If it didn't have the potential to effect my health too then i wouldn't care..i wouldn't even care if the smell was not so horrific..but instead i'm exposed to clouds of cigarette smoke whilst i'm walking across campus from class to class..
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