Anti-gravity

We have to find element zero first.

6_Dead_360s

That would be great, but I would settle for the discovery of the graviton.

Sure..., but this is right up there with the chair you're sitting on turning into a dragon.Frame_Dragger

This is why I mentioned xaos without you. There's a way to correct people without insulting them.

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]Sure..., but this is right up there with the chair you're sitting on turning into a dragon.TransformerRobo

This is why I mentioned xaos without you. There's a way to correct people without insulting them.

[QUOTE="achilles614"]This thread really makes my head hurt. It also makes me sad. I wouldn't dismiss anything completely because we can't tell the future. edit: xaos of framedagger, you guys should to make a thread about physics and educate OT, I for one would be interested.Frame_Dragger

I have just made an account on http://www.scienceforums.net/index.php :)

We have to find element zero first.

6_Dead_360s

[QUOTE="Jackc8"]

I guess dark energy, which is basically a hypothetical construct to explain the fact that galaxies are expanding away from the center of the universe faster than our current understanding of physics says they should be, could be credited with some sort of anti-gravity, um...power or something. But we've yet to actually detect anything like that, much less collect some or use it for anything.

Far more likely would be a vertical take off / landing type craft, or even some sort of hovercraft, except with vastly more powerful engines that are much smaller than what we've got today.

As far as the whole leaf thing, no. I don't think you could make a vehicle that's strong as steel and yet weighs as little as a leaf. Unless you attached a great big hot air balloon to the top of it.

I've now rejected the leaf thing completely.

All my life I thought gravity was the strongest force in the universe, but then I learned more and more of magnetism.

One idea I had for creating anti-gravity on Earth was to artificially manipulate it's magnetic field so that vehicles with an opposite charge could levitate on it. However, I began to reject such an idea out of fear that artificially toying with Earth's magnetic field would destroy the planet.

Very good point there about dark energy. Let's assume that luminous energy is dark energy's opposite. There's so much luminous energy at the center of the universe, with so much dark energy among the different galaxies, stars, planets, etc. that the 2 forces are repelling each other.

When you think about it, if dark energy isn't the force that would levitate "anti-gravity" vehicles, maybe it would be a field of luminous energy repelled against our own dark energy.

Or is dark matter the opposite of dark energy?

Well, with all consideration, now I doubt myself that it's anti-gravity we're looking for.

How is that even possible? It's not like the mouse swallowed a magnet with an opposite polarity, right?

TransformerRobo

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

How is that even possible? It's not like the mouse swallowed a magnet with an opposite polarity, right?

PS2_ROCKS

Well I already know that ions have their own charges, so a positively charged cluster of ions would be repelled by a positively charged magnet, right?

MAN. Has anything at all taught any of you ONE BIT OF INFORMATION ?! Do you NOT know that If you can think it you can create it... So YES ANTI-GRAVITY COULD one day, Be used for propelling vehicles slightly off, and along the ground.Lost-Memory

I understand the possibility of levitated motor vehicles (aka hovercars and hoverbikes) in the distant future, but what I still don't know is how long it would take to develop, and how would it work without knocking Earth (and/or other planets) off it's orbit or screwing up atmospheric pressure in the sky.

[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"]MAN. Has anything at all taught any of you ONE BIT OF INFORMATION ?! Do you NOT know that If you can think it you can create it... So YES ANTI-GRAVITY COULD one day, Be used for propelling vehicles slightly off, and along the ground.TransformerRobo

I understand the possibility of levitated motor vehicles (aka hovercars and hoverbikes) in the distant future, but what I still don't know is how long it would take to develop, and how would it work without knocking Earth (and/or other planets) off it's orbit or screwing up atmospheric pressure in the sky.

i could take a dump in my house here on earth, but how do i know it wouldnt clog a toilet on the international space station. please observe my analogy and please realize how it pertains to every thing youve just spewed onto your keyboard. how old are you? have you ever taken even the most basic physics or chemistry course? please....this is just painful to witness....

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well, just not as well as others. That doesn't make me an idiot because I don't know everything.

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well, just not as well as others. That doesn't make me an idiot because I don't know everything.

TransformerRobo

thats the problem. you dont know physics well.

you know some words that are used in physics and blindly matching them together in a method you think is consistent with what the rest of the world calls science. please. stay in school. and go to class.

If we could stop spouting insults and have a civilized discussion I'd have an easier time understanding the scientific facts you're all giving in this thread.

whether you intended it to be or not. this thread is a joke thread. so it shouldnt be taken seriously. i know youd like to learn but you will not learn anything profound from a few posts on a game forum (though xaos really knows his stuff) you seem to lack the basic understanding of physics required to make anything he or anyone else says hold any weight to you

I've taken other people's perspectives and thoughts into account to come up with my own decisions. How is that lacking a basic understanding of anything?

I've taken other people's perspectives and thoughts into account to come up with my own decisions. How is that lacking a basic understanding of anything?

TransformerRobo

your level of understanding devolves into someone mentioning hover bikes. and another person mention electromagnetism then suddenly comming to the conclusion that the earth will be thrown off its orbit.....that shows you have a lack of understanding in how the electromagnetic force works, how gravity works. and how orbits are goverened. and thats just one example

Well does that mean I should be continuously belittled for my lack of understanding of physics? Just because somebody's not as smart as you are doesn't mean you get to point and say "Hey everybody, look at the idiot!! He doesn't know what's on the other side of a black hole so he's an imbecile!!". Seriously, I'd much appreciate it if you didn't treat me that way.

Well does that mean I should be continuously belittled for my lack of understanding of physics? Just because somebody's not as smart as you are doesn't mean you get to point and say "Hey everybody, look at the idiot!! He doesn't know what's on the other side of a black hole so he's an imbecile!!". Seriously, I'd much appreciate it if you didn't treat me that way.

TransformerRobo

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

Well does that mean I should be continuously belittled for my lack of understanding of physics? Just because somebody's not as smart as you are doesn't mean you get to point and say "Hey everybody, look at the idiot!! He doesn't know what's on the other side of a black hole so he's an imbecile!!". Seriously, I'd much appreciate it if you didn't treat me that way.

blackacidevil96

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

Are you implying that I should be ridiculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

Well does that mean I should be continuously belittled for my lack of understanding of physics? Just because somebody's not as smart as you are doesn't mean you get to point and say "Hey everybody, look at the idiot!! He doesn't know what's on the other side of a black hole so he's an imbecile!!". Seriously, I'd much appreciate it if you didn't treat me that way.

TransformerRobo

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

Are you implying that I should be rediculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

The earths mass would have no effect. Leaves float to the ground because they are almost as light as air, not the earth.

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

chaoscougar1

Are you implying that I should be rediculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

See, I can take a joke, provided that a conversation is treated as one.

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="Lost-Memory"]MAN. Has anything at all taught any of you ONE BIT OF INFORMATION ?! Do you NOT know that If you can think it you can create it... So YES ANTI-GRAVITY COULD one day, Be used for propelling vehicles slightly off, and along the ground.blackacidevil96

I understand the possibility of levitated motor vehicles (aka hovercars and hoverbikes) in the distant future, but what I still don't know is how long it would take to develop, and how would it work without knocking Earth (and/or other planets) off it's orbit or screwing up atmospheric pressure in the sky.

i could take a dump in my house here on earth, but how do i know it wouldnt clog a toilet on the international space station. please observe my analogy and please realize how it pertains to every thing youve just spewed onto your keyboard. how old are you? have you ever taken even the most basic physics or chemistry course? please....this is just painful to witness....

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

Nintendevil

Are you implying that I should be rediculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

I told you that I don't deserve to be smacked around just because I'm not as smart as some of you. Whatever happened to treating others how you want to be treated?

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

yes....thats exactly what should be done.

chaoscougar1

Are you implying that I should be rediculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

haha atleast hes not trying to rewrite the english language

(also im well aware of how bad my spelling and grammar is aswell, thats why i went into engineering instead haha)

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

Are you implying that I should be rediculed for whatever knowledge I lack?

blackacidevil96

haha atleast hes not trying to rewrite the english language

(also im well aware of how bad my spelling and grammar is aswell, thats why i went into engineering instead haha)

I wasn't very good as a stand up comic so I moved to journalism.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Probably a bad time to misspell ridiculed :P

TransformerRobo

haha atleast hes not trying to rewrite the english language

(also im well aware of how bad my spelling and grammar is aswell, thats why i went into engineering instead haha)

I wasn't very good as a stand up comic so I moved to journalism.

you werent very good at science but you still made a thread about it. so why arent you still on stage walter cronkite?

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

haha atleast hes not trying to rewrite the english language

(also im well aware of how bad my spelling and grammar is aswell, thats why i went into engineering instead haha)

blackacidevil96

I wasn't very good as a stand up comic so I moved to journalism.

you werent very good at science but you still made a thread about it. so why arent you still on stage walter cronkite?

Because I'm a science fiction writer who has so many questions about technology and physics that need to be answered.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I wasn't very good as a stand up comic so I moved to journalism.

TransformerRobo

you werent very good at science but you still made a thread about it. so why arent you still on stage walter cronkite?

Because I'm a fiction writer who has so many questions about how clouds eat and make bowel movements that need to be answered.

fixed for accuracy

That doesn't even add any contributions to the discussion. Why do you insistently insult others whom you don't even know?

That doesn't even add any contributions to the discussion. Why do you insistently insult others whom you don't even know?

TransformerRobo

because youve added nothing worthy of discussion, so im trying to enjoy the thread anyway i possible, no need to be offended

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

That doesn't even add any contributions to the discussion. Why do you insistently insult others whom you don't even know?

blackacidevil96

because youve added nothing worthy of discussion, so im trying to enjoy the thread anyway i possible, no need to be offended

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

That doesn't even add any contributions to the discussion. Why do you insistently insult others whom you don't even know?

TransformerRobo

because youve added nothing worthy of discussion, so im trying to enjoy the thread anyway i possible, no need to be offended

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

because youve added nothing worthy of discussion, so im trying to enjoy the thread anyway i possible, no need to be offended

chaoscougar1

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

I wouldn't if he would stop getting personal. I've been reporting him numerous times but I don't think the moderator is doing anything about it, and he's clearly violating the terms of service.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

because youve added nothing worthy of discussion, so im trying to enjoy the thread anyway i possible, no need to be offended

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well, just not as well as others. That doesn't make me an idiot because I don't know everything.

TransformerRobo

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

TransformerRobo

I wouldn't if he would stop getting personal. I've been reporting him numerous times but I don't think the moderator is doing anything about it, and he's clearly violating the terms of service.

i dont really hold much respect for people who would be offended by a stranger on the internet calling them a dummy as if you need my words to somehow validate your life.

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] Stop feeding him, seriously. You want to get rid of him? Ignore himblackacidevil96

I wouldn't if he would stop getting personal. I've been reporting him numerous times but I don't think the moderator is doing anything about it, and he's clearly violating the terms of service.

i dont really hold much respect for people who would be offended by a stranger on the internet calling them a dummy as if you need my words to somehow validate your life.

I already know my life is valid, I was just trying to get other people's input on scientific development in the distant future.

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I wouldn't if he would stop getting personal. I've been reporting him numerous times but I don't think the moderator is doing anything about it, and he's clearly violating the terms of service.

TransformerRobo

i dont really hold much respect for people who would be offended by a stranger on the internet calling them a dummy as if you need my words to somehow validate your life.

I already know my life is valid, I was just trying to get other people's input on scientific development in the distant future.

and i gave my input by letting you know my poop will clog the iss toilets. and to answer your other questions on future research, scientists are aparently reporting clouds eat sunshine and happiness. you claimed knowledge of litereally any level of science is laughable. so i did just that. i laughed

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

i dont really hold much respect for people who would be offended by a stranger on the internet calling them a dummy as if you need my words to somehow validate your life.

blackacidevil96

I already know my life is valid, I was just trying to get other people's input on scientific development in the distant future.

and i gave my input by letting you know my poop will clog the iss toilets. and to answer your other questions on future research, scientists are aparently reporting clouds eat sunshine and happiness. you claimed knowledge of litereally any level of science is laughable. so i did just that. i laughed

Then why not politely explain where I went wrong instead?

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I already know my life is valid, I was just trying to get other people's input on scientific development in the distant future.

TransformerRobo

and i gave my input by letting you know my poop will clog the iss toilets. and to answer your other questions on future research, scientists are aparently reporting clouds eat sunshine and happiness. you claimed knowledge of litereally any level of science is laughable. so i did just that. i laughed

Then why not politely explain where I went wrong instead?

i save my politness for explaining things to coworkers that do something wrong. i couldnt possibly reserve enough for everyone. welcome to the internet. enjoy your stay

also you lack enough basic understanding to support an explanation, so its best to not bother until you recieve and education

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I wouldn't be offended if you weren't so blunt about it.

TransformerRobo

I wouldn't if he would stop getting personal. I've been reporting him numerous times but I don't think the moderator is doing anything about it, and he's clearly violating the terms of service.

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

How is that even possible? It's not like the mouse swallowed a magnet with an opposite polarity, right?

TransformerRobo

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="PS2_ROCKS"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

How is that even possible? It's not like the mouse swallowed a magnet with an opposite polarity, right?

PS2_ROCKS

like you said on an quantum level it is overcome by other forces. similar to gravity. it is not hard to create a force strong enough to oppose gravity, for instance a magnet (levitating a trane for instance takes lots of force) but the magnetic for degrades very rapidly with distance. while gravity is a weaker force in general is a weaker force when compared on small scales to other forces. unlike those other forces works over much longer distances, and thus gravity is the large governing force of planetary motion (im just providing more info, not explaining it to you as you seem to know already im sure)

like you said on an quantum level it is overcome by other forces. similar to gravity. it is not hard to create a force strong enough to oppose gravity, for instance a magnet (levitating a trane for instance takes lots of force) but the magnetic for degrades very rapidly with distance. while gravity is a weaker force in general is a weaker force when compared on small scales to other forces. unlike those other forces works over much longer distances, and thus gravity is the large governing force of planetary motion (im just providing more info, not explaining it to you as you seem to know already im sure)

blackacidevil96

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

like you said on an quantum level it is overcome by other forces. similar to gravity. it is not hard to create a force strong enough to oppose gravity, for instance a magnet (levitating a trane for instance takes lots of force) but the magnetic for degrades very rapidly with distance. while gravity is a weaker force in general is a weaker force when compared on small scales to other forces. unlike those other forces works over much longer distances, and thus gravity is the large governing force of planetary motion (im just providing more info, not explaining it to you as you seem to know already im sure)

xaos

i knew there was a reason. but did not know the mechanism. i can do orbits very well, (aerospace eng.) but electromagnetism isnt my strong point