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#101 groovdafied
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anti-gravity already exists. They managed to use high powered magnets to make a small frog float. It also is a concept with sound waves too.
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#102 DivergeUnify
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="blackacidevil96"]

i dont really hold much respect for people who would be offended by a stranger on the internet calling them a dummy as if you need my words to somehow validate your life.

blackacidevil96

I already know my life is valid, I was just trying to get other people's input on scientific development in the distant future.

and i gave my input by letting you know my poop will clog the iss toilets. and to answer your other questions on future research, scientists are aparently reporting clouds eat sunshine and happiness. you claimed knowledge of litereally any level of science is laughable. so i did just that. i laughed

Wow new Gamespot ToS rules hard
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#103 chaoscougar1
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anti-gravity already exists. They managed to use high powered magnets to make a small frog float. It also is a concept with sound waves too.groovdafied
:| How is that anti-gravity?
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#104 dackchaar
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Mmmm, I think he was trying to say that if there were a steel that was invented that was as light as a feather, it would float (which is not true.). The only reason a feather will float is due to air resistance. A constant pull of 9.8m/s^2 is effecting any object with mass near the surface of the earth (as you go higher, the pull of gravity is less). Every object has mass even if it is miniscule. Gravity is governed by the rule that every particle in the universe attracts another particle. This formula is Fg = (G*m1*m2)/r^2. Where m1 is the mass of particle (in this case we model the earth as a particle), and m2 is the mass of the second particle (the object we are looking at that is being effect by the gravitational pull.) And G is a gravitational constant of 6.67259 X 10-9 N*m^2/kg^2 and r is the straight line distance between the two particles.

I'm definitely no scientist, but as far as I can tell, anti-gravity in simple terms, is impossible. Although there are such things as "faux" anti-gravity like magnetism and such. If somehow scientist were to invent a material that had negative mass, then perhaps it could work. Although this seems entirely impossible, I'm defenitely not well versed enough to completely rule out such a possibility.

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#105 Frame_Dragger
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anti-gravity already exists. They managed to use high powered magnets to make a small frog float. It also is a concept with sound waves too.groovdafied
That isn't anti-gravity anymore than a wing is anti-gravity, or jumping up and down is. It's magnetic levitation, using a force in opposition to gravity, but utterly unrealted to it. Remember that gravity is really a pseudo-force; it's just the tendency of mass to follow a particular path in space, as determined by the warping of space caused by mass. The intensity of gravity is directly related to the amount of mass, and the path math takes through space is determined by its own warping of space and interaction with other warping.

When you get right down to it, gravity is all about the geometry of the universe where mass deforms an otherwise (presumably) smooth topology/topography. Anti-Gravity would have to somehow seperate mass from its effect on space/spacetime... which is kind of an absurd notion. You could posit that in the future we'll use exotic means to generate lift and overcome gravity, that are far superior to maglev and exploiting fluid dynamics... this would still NOT be anti-grav.

@dackchaar: It's one of the more impossible concepts out there... you'd need exotic matter or energy which has only ever been hypothesized as existing within the event horizon of black holes... maybe. Your assesment is very accurate, and highlights the difficulty in even concieving of anti-gravity. Frankly, anti-grav sounds like decoupling a mass from the universe that mass is embedded in... which doesn't sound possible/like a good idea.
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#106 TransformerRobo
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So what you're saying now is the supposed "anti-gravity" would destroy Earth if it existed, but adding to the Earth's magnetic field would do no harm?

Also, just because something like negative mass or dark energy is hypothetical doesn't mean it's not there in real life. Have any scientists or astronauts found dark energy or negative mass?

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#107 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

So what you're saying now is the supposed "anti-gravity" would destroy Earth if it existed, but adding to the Earth's magnetic field would do no harm?

Also, just because something like negative mass or dark energy is hypothetical doesn't mean it's not there in real life. Have any scientists or astronauts found dark energy or negative mass?

No, that's not what I'm saying to your first point, no again to your second. To your third, it COULD exist, but it's only hypothetical IN A BLACK HOLE. To your final point, no, not even a hint.
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#108 TransformerRobo
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

So what you're saying now is the supposed "anti-gravity" would destroy Earth if it existed, but adding to the Earth's magnetic field would do no harm?

Also, just because something like negative mass or dark energy is hypothetical doesn't mean it's not there in real life. Have any scientists or astronauts found dark energy or negative mass?

Frame_Dragger

No, that's not what I'm saying to your first point, no again to your second. To your third, it COULD exist, but it's only hypothetical IN A BLACK HOLE. To your final point, no, not even a hint.

Then would it be dangerous to manipulate Earth's magnetic field so that vehicles could levitate on it? I know life has been on this planet ever since some of the first polarity shifts, but I'm not quite sure what would happen if the magnetic field was changed through man-made means.

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#109 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="groovdafied"]anti-gravity already exists. They managed to use high powered magnets to make a small frog float. It also is a concept with sound waves too.chaoscougar1
:| How is that anti-gravity?

In no way
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#110 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"][QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

So what you're saying now is the supposed "anti-gravity" would destroy Earth if it existed, but adding to the Earth's magnetic field would do no harm?

Also, just because something like negative mass or dark energy is hypothetical doesn't mean it's not there in real life. Have any scientists or astronauts found dark energy or negative mass?

No, that's not what I'm saying to your first point, no again to your second. To your third, it COULD exist, but it's only hypothetical IN A BLACK HOLE. To your final point, no, not even a hint.

Then would it be dangerous to manipulate Earth's magnetic field so that vehicles could levitate on it? I know life has been on this planet ever since some of the first polarity shifts, but I'm not quite sure what would happen if the magnetic field was changed through man-made means.

 OK... you need to learn about why this whole notion that manipulating the geomagnetic field wouldn't help you levitate ANYTHING. You really need to start at "earth science", go through Newtonian physics, THEN deal with EM...
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#111 TransformerRobo
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You didn't answer my question.

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#112 Frame_Dragger
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You didn't answer my question.

TransformerRobo
I did, and in doing so explained how you could learn something instead of this inane Q&A, that I'm already done with.
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#113 coolbeans90
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I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well

TransformerRobo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

no

ononononono

u don't

I recommend starting with a uni physics textbook and essentially memorizing it, cover-to-cover, before even thinking about making another thread, thx!

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#114 TransformerRobo
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well

coolbeans90

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

no

ononononono

u don't

I recommend starting with a uni physics textbook and essentially memorizing it, cover-to-cover, before even thinking about making another thread, thx!

I'll still make more threads, they just won't be about physics.

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#115 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well

TransformerRobo

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

no

ononononono

u don't

I recommend starting with a uni physics textbook and essentially memorizing it, cover-to-cover, before even thinking about making another thread, thx!

I'll still make more threads, they just won't be about physics.

Okie dokie.

I, as an engie student with a very fragile grasp on "real" physics had a lovely time reading this thread.

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#116 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="TransformerRobo"]

I'm 20 years old, and I understand physics well

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

no

ononononono

u don't

I recommend starting with a uni physics textbook and essentially memorizing it, cover-to-cover, before even thinking about making another thread, thx!

I'll still make more threads, they just won't be about physics.

That's the most inteligent and cogent thing you've said in this entire thread.

@coolbeans90: It's almost unfailing that people who tell you that they can't learn about physics, or will never learn... are the easiest to teach. Those who think they have it all pinned down are very nearly hopeless.
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#117 coolbeans90
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@coolbeans90: It's almost unfailing that people who tell you that they can't learn about physics, or will never learn... are the easiest to teach. Those who think they have it all pinned down are very nearly hopeless. Frame_Dragger

I probably could learn it and would like to. But that can be said about a lot of things. (Math and econ specifically) If not on an academic level, I'll probably, eventually, just read up on it. In the mean time, I'll deal with being a glorified Newtonian mechanics calculator.

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#118 Frame_Dragger
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[QUOTE="Frame_Dragger"]@coolbeans90: It's almost unfailing that people who tell you that they can't learn about physics, or will never learn... are the easiest to teach. Those who think they have it all pinned down are very nearly hopeless. coolbeans90

I probably could learn it and would like to. But that can be said about a lot of things. (Math and econ specifically) If not on an academic level, I'll probably, eventually, just read up on it. In the mean time, I'll deal with being a glorified Newtonian mechanics calculator.

We've chatted a bit... I'm confident that you could learn a great deal about SR/GR, and get into the essential points of QM. You have the ability to think critically, apply your mind to a problem, and research... and you're intelligent. The upside of physics in general is that it can inform the way you see the world in a positive way, adding a richness to observations that would otherwise be banal.
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#119 coolbeans90
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The upside of physics in general is that it can inform the way you see the world in a positive way, adding a richness to observations that would otherwise be banal.Frame_Dragger

Very much so.