Any other Pro-Obama Republicans Out There?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Ah these bitter republicans never get old.. Perhapes you guys should criticize your own party first, seeing as they are basically imploding.. Contridictory statements, illogical decision making, hypocritical claims, and a absolute cluelessness of what to do.. Its one thing to criticize Obama's plan and provide other alternatives.. Its quite another to prance around and claim he is doing it allwrong and providing no alternative what so ever.. All they have shown is that they are bitter and have no clue what to do either in this environment.. Its sickening too, republican governors not taking the aid.. They seemed to have NO PROBLEM what so ever when we spent amounts of money to the contractors in Iraq (which were ripping us off btw with subpar services) to build THAT countries infastructure up and not ours.. Ironic..

sSubZerOo

Ah these bitter republicans never get old.. Perhapes you guys should criticize your own party first, seeing as they are basically imploding.. Contridictory statements, illogical decision making, hypocritical claims, and a absolute cluelessness of what to do.. Its one thing to criticize Obama's plan and provide other alternatives.. Its quite another to prance around and claim he is doing it allwrong and providing no alternative what so ever.. All they have shown is that they are bitter and have no clue what to do either in this environment.. Its sickening too, republican governors not taking the aid.. They seemed to have NO PROBLEM what so ever when we spent amounts of money to the contractors in Iraq (which were ripping us off btw with subpar services) to build THAT countries infastructure up and not ours.. Ironic..

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]I'm a Ron Paul man backing Obama's government.Oleg_Huzwog

How is that possible?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="darkIink"] and trying to input religion (abortion, gay rights) into government. Any more ownage? come on OT!chessmaster1989

Yes, Abraham Lincoln did suspend Habeas Corpus. The difference between Lincoln and Bush, though, is that Lincoln did so during a civil war...

Of course he suspended it. It was his war and he didn't want anyone talking bad about it, even though the President has no authority to do it; that is solely Congress' power (which Lincoln conveniently decided not to call into session at the time).

[QUOTE="Garric001"]

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Garric001"]

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

cametall

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] Oddly, enough, out of all the things you guys listed, only the suspension of Habeas Corpus was actually unconstitutional, and it was done by the President that Obama most admires. So put that in your collective pipe and smoke it.fidosim

Yes, Abraham Lincoln did suspend Habeas Corpus. The difference between Lincoln and Bush, though, is that Lincoln did so during a civil war...

I'm not sure what you call the indefinite detaining of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo, without a formal charging or pretty much any other rights, besides that.

I'm not defending what Lincoln did, although the circumstances do, to an certain extent, justify his actions. I disagree with Lincoln's decisions in this instance, though.

Besides this, your comment about Obama admiring a president who suspended Heabeas Corpus is a bit odd. Either you imply that that is part of the reason he admires Lincoln, for which there is no evidence, or you do not, in which case your comment is a non-sequitor. Which shall it be?

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yeah, the republican party stands for everything this country was founded on...like...uhh... warrantless domestic wiretaps and an unconstitutional denial of habeaus corpus! chessmaster1989

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

Yes, and it is his economic ideas that have gotten us where we are today! Hooray for Hamilton!

Democrat/Republican is meaningless today. You're either liberal or conservative.Cherokee_Jack

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="cametall"] I know right? Taxing a specific group of people is totally constitutional. Large government? That's what our founding fathers wanted, I'm sure of it. That's why they kicked the Brits out! They actually wanted their lives controlled more by their government and the Brits couldn't fill that void! Dalo12345

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

Yes, and it is his economic ideas that have gotten us where we are today! Hooray for Hamilton!

Well, it depends on how you look at it.

On one note, one of his central ideas, the national bank, is not currently around, courtesy of Andrew Jackson. Actually, I personally consider the biggest mistake of Jackson's presidency to be allowing the charter for the national bank to expire.

[QUOTE="Dalo12345"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

chessmaster1989

Yes, and it is his economic ideas that have gotten us where we are today! Hooray for Hamilton!

Well, it depends on how you look at it.

On one note, one of his central ideas, the national bank, is not currently around, courtesy of Andrew Jackson. Actually, I personally consider the biggest mistake of Jackson's presidency to be allowing the charter for the national bank to expire.

Well then what the hell do you call the Federal Reserve, then?

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Yes, Abraham Lincoln did suspend Habeas Corpus. The difference between Lincoln and Bush, though, is that Lincoln did so during a civil war...

chessmaster1989

I'm not sure what you call the indefinite detaining of suspected terrorists at Guantanamo, without a formal charging or pretty much any other rights, besides that.

I'm not defending what Lincoln did, although the circumstances do, to an certain extent, justify his actions. I disagree with Lincoln's decisions in this instance, though.

Besides this, your comment about Obama admiring a president who suspended Heabeas Corpus is a bit odd. Either you imply that that is part of the reason he admires Lincoln, for which there is no evidence, or you do not, in which case your comment is a non-sequitor. Which shall it be?

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

Garric001

[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Obama supports wiretapping and it's not domestic wiretapping. If it was domestic, they would be wiretapping U.S. citizens, not terrorist suspects overseas.

Genetic_Code

Need this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JLuWZed8rs

[QUOTE="Garric001"]

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

-Sun_Tzu-

Everyone has to see this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw

There is no left/right (in the big picture) there is only banks.

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

Garric001

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Garric001"]

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

iwilson1296

I simply brought it up because there's been a stink about Bush and the Republican party violating the constitutionfidosim

Yes, and it is his economic ideas that have gotten us where we are today! Hooray for Hamilton!Dalo12345

I'm a member of the republican party, but I only typically vote republican in local elections. I voted for Obama for the senate in 04 and pres in 08.spazzx625

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yeah, the republican party stands for everything this country was founded on...like...uhh... warrantless domestic wiretaps and an unconstitutional denial of habeaus corpus! -Sun_Tzu-

If you're Republican and pro-Obama, your a RINO (Republican In Name Only).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Garric001"]

A pro-obama republican is the ____ kind of person in the world, I feel, ____ than self-hating people. How can you support Obama when he's the exact oposite of what republicans stand for, not to mention on what this country was founded on? No I don't th ink there are any pro-obama republicans around here.

TBoogy

Dont forget denying the right to vote to many of it's citizens for two straight elections and bullying the world and damaging the strength of our relationships with alies.

No such thing as the right to vote....

I'm a Ron Paul man backing Obama's government.clembo1990

Ron Paul and Obama are almost exact opposities...

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Obama supports wiretapping and it's not domestic wiretapping. If it was domestic, they would be wiretapping U.S. citizens, not terrorist suspects overseas.

warbmxjohn

Which Obama supports...

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"] right and remember the right to bear arms? yeah, take every taxpaying americans guns away but don't dare mess with freedom of speech, don't believe everything the liberal media says, their obama mega-asskissing campaign is one of the main reasons he's president.

iwilson1296

Obama is Pro-Big Government. Big Goverment equals more control over YOU.

Singularity22

Liberals love government. They love dependence on government. This is a good thing to them.

[QUOTE="cametall"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yeah, the republican party stands for everything this country was founded on...like...uhh... warrantless domestic wiretaps and an unconstitutional denial of habeaus corpus! chessmaster1989

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

Try researching Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Madison (the FATHER of the Constitution)....

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="cametall"] I know right? Taxing a specific group of people is totally constitutional. Large government? That's what our founding fathers wanted, I'm sure of it. That's why they kicked the Brits out! They actually wanted their lives controlled more by their government and the Brits couldn't fill that void! trix5817

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

Try researching Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Madison (the FATHER of the Constitution)....

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

My friend, you have a horrible misconstrued notion of what our founding fathers wanted. Some of them, indeed, wanted a very limited government, which is why we ended up with the Articles of Confederation. The AoC created a government that was far too weak to do just about anything, hence, it was abolished.

But, there were founding fathers who wanted a strong central government. For a start, try doing some research on Alexander Hamilton.

-Sun_Tzu-

Try researching Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Madison (the FATHER of the Constitution)....

He thinks Alexander Hamilton would support the ridiculously large government we have today...

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

Try researching Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, and James Madison (the FATHER of the Constitution)....

trix5817

He thinks Alexander Hamilton would support the ridiculously large government we have today...

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] I'm pretty sure he's acknowledging the fact that there were founding fathers who believed in limited government...-Sun_Tzu-

He thinks Alexander Hamilton would support the ridiculously large government we have today...

The most important and influential ones supported a limited government. And guess who supported a Federal, yet LIMITED, government? Alexander Hamilton...

[QUOTE="iwilson1296"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That's nice. Too bad the democratic party doesn't want to ban the 2nd amendment. But even if they did, I don't see how the unconstitutional actions of one party justify the unconstitutional actions of another.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

He thinks Alexander Hamilton would support the ridiculously large government we have today...

trix5817

The most important and influential ones supported a limited government. And guess who supported a Federal, yet LIMITED, government? Alexander Hamilton...

you say it's not ok for the bush administrartion to mess with constitutionals rights but ok for obama.iwilson1296

[QUOTE="trix5817"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] All he said was that Hamilton supported a strong central government, which he did.-Sun_Tzu-

The most important and influential ones supported a limited government. And guess who supported a Federal, yet LIMITED, government? Alexander Hamilton...

"It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, Federal government."

-Alexander Hamilton

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="trix5817"]

The most important and influential ones supported a limited government. And guess who supported a Federal, yet LIMITED, government? Alexander Hamilton...

trix5817

"It's not tyranny we desire; it's a just, limited, Federal government."

-Alexander Hamilton

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] [QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]Yeah, the republican party stands for everything this country was founded on...like...uhh... warrantless domestic wiretaps and an unconstitutional denial of habeaus corpus! -Sun_Tzu-

Umm, I know what domestic wiretapping is, and that was exactly the type of wiretapping that went on during the Bush Administration.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Genetic_Code"] Obama supports wiretapping and it's not domestic wiretapping. If it was domestic, they would be wiretapping U.S. citizens, not terrorist suspects overseas.

Mind_Mover

Umm, I know what domestic wiretapping is, and that was exactly the type of wiretapping that went on during the Bush Administration.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

Umm, I know what domestic wiretapping is, and that was exactly the type of wiretapping that went on during the Bush Administration.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"].

Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Did you...even read the article that I linked?GameSpot Forums - New Message The article begins by saying, "The FBI improperly and, in some cases, illegally used the USA Patriot Act to secretly obtain personal information about people in the US, a justice department audit found today." And it's not like the website I linked was the Inquirer; it's The Guardian :|

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]Clearly its all bias, and conspiracy nut mumbo jumbo.

Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Ahh I see. I forgot how biased the U.S. Justice Department is against the FBI :|

-Sun_Tzu-

It is ironic.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I'm just pulling your strings, it gives me sense of satisfaction that something you use against other users so much, is used against you, because of stories like these that sound like conspiracy theories. I am happy for you, that you have lets say, opened your eyes a little bit, when it comes to our government. Now if only you could see the bigger picture ;)

Mind_Mover

It is ironic.

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] There's a difference between someone who backs up their claims with a sourced article from a well respected news corporation, and someone who backs up their claims with an unsourced youtube video.-Sun_Tzu-

It is ironic.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]I think people like Ron Paul are alot more credible than a newspaper or website. Yet, he is considered a conspiracy nut, when he knows more about government than most people do. Its simple, people like you believe what ever you want to believe, because you can't handle the truth so you call them conspiracy nuts.

It is ironic.

Mind_Mover

[QUOTE="Mind_Mover"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Never called Ron Paul a conspiracy nut. I think he is an extremist and a bit of a hypocrite as well, but I don't think that he is a conspiracy nut. Most conspiracy theories are created to simplify the complex, the hard-to-understand, and the incomprehensible.

-Sun_Tzu-