Anyone else nervous that...

Obama being elected will lead to a socialist movement in this country, through spreading the wealth, universalizing health care and raping the constitution... I kind of am... and yes this is a serious thread...

sigh... more politcal threads :cry:Curlyfrii87

don't worry *hides tears*, we'll pull through.

Obama being elected will lead to a socialist movement in this country, through spreading the wealth, universalizing health care and raping the constitution... I kind of am... and yes this is a serious thread...

Manutebecker

Obama being elected will lead to a socialist movement in this country, through spreading the wealth, universalizing health care and raping the constitution... I kind of am... and yes this is a serious thread...

Manutebecker

1. Did your mom and dad tell you that? Why dont you do some research

2. Socialist movement? Why is that so bad. And no, our government wont be a socialist one, only certain departments will be. I for one would love to never have to pay for healthcare again; i think the government owes me that much for all the hard work I do for my countrymen and the spending I do to boost the economy.

3. Raping the constitution? C'mon, dude, get ahold of yourself.

3. Raping the constitution? C'mon, dude, get ahold of yourself.

mrbojangles25

hahahahaha.

sigh... more politcal threads :cry:Curlyfrii87

You should care it's only your future.

Back on topic, Spreading the wealth not a bad thing unemployment benefits can help people down on their luck, yes it is open for abuse but for the most part it works.

Universalising helath care who doesn't want a healthy (and therefore productive) nation? Health benefits help everyone you break your leg and can't work for 6 weeks the government pays, damn that's a great system and it helps the most needy who can't afford private health insurance.

The constitution is unlikely to be 'raped' under Obama, it's held in too high a regard to make any significant changes to it...

Yes he is a left leaning candidate but he's not a raging commie...

You guys need to lighten up vote for who you want, or don't vote but he's not going to turn the USA into a communist state.

nope.

If you are 18, make sure to vote November 4th

Socalism's not that bad. >_>Funky_Llama

by taxing the rich and raising cap gains you punish those smart with money and give welfare to those less smart with money. Obama definitly has a marxist economic plan. universalizing health care is not good, you basically get less attention and worse treatment because hospitals dont need high standards because no competition. I have fam in canada, they hate the health careManutebecker

But if Hospitals are nationalised surely they would have to reach a national standard. That is how a nationalised healthcare system usually works.

Also plenty of stupid people have far more money than some very smart people so that argument is flacid.

Only 5 more days until the election is over.

But really, I wonder what this board will be like election day, and the day after.

Obama being elected will lead to a socialist movement in this country, through spreading the wealth, universalizing health care and raping the constitution... I kind of am... and yes this is a serious thread...

Manutebecker

I understand that you're trying to make a serious thread, but the phrase "raping the constitution" kind of takes away from that. To answer you question though: NO.

although in the UK our NHS has its problems this is how it works.

everyone is entitled to healthcare.

when you work you have whats called National Insurance (NI) which is a small percentage of your wage. i earn £22500/$45000 per year and i pay roughly 9% per month which entitles me to anything on the NHS and if i have an accident at work or socially im covered.

whereas in the US you have to pay a fortune for healthcare and sometimes you arent even eligible??????????????? which is unbelieveable from our P.O.V. how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

so seriously, before you start slagging off other political standings maybe you should see how well it works elsewhere.

although in the UK...

seriousley

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

seriousley

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

seriousley

[QUOTE="Curlyfrii87"]sigh... more politcal threads :cry:mattsnibbs

You should care it's only your future.

Back on topic, Spreading the wealth not a bad thing unemployment benefits can help people down on their luck, yes it is open for abuse but for the most part it works.

Universalising helath care who doesn't want a healthy (and therefore productive) nation? Health benefits help everyone you break your leg and can't work for 6 weeks the government pays, damn that's a great system and it helps the most needy who can't afford private health insurance.

The constitution is unlikely to be 'raped' under Obama, it's held in too high a regard to make any significant changes to it...

Yes he is a left leaning candidate but he's not a raging commie...

You guys need to lighten up vote for who you want, or don't vote but he's not going to turn the USA into a communist state.

For the most part unemployment and welfare works? With the way those systems are "working" right now I don't even want to know what it is like when they aren't "working". Both systems, along with many other social programs are heavily abused more than people would like to believe. And throwing money at the problem like Obama wants to do isn't the solution, it rarely ever is the solution.

Universal health care is extraodinarily expensive, especially when there are quite a few people in this country that aren't even paying taxes. The notion that the wealthy and corporations are going to foot the bill for it without any ramifications to the middle and lower class is ridiculous, especially with the current state of the economy.

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

Funky_Llama

how exactly do you rape a piece of paper?markop2003

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="seriousley"]

how can you tell a human they arent entitled to healthcare?

Stevo_the_gamer

Nope. I live in Canada, so I'm more concerned what our government is dong.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="seriousley"]

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

Funky_Llama

of course it is, i'm sure there's an international law on it somewhere... :P

That's because it's underfunded. It's not an instrinsic flaw with socialised healthcare.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

Stevo_the_gamer

ha, thats laughable...did you even read what i said?

in the UK we have a rule that no patient must wait for more than 3 hours before being seen by a doctor...now obviously if its urgent YOU TAKE PRIORITY...that means even the junkies get seen within 3 hours. the idea that you think your system is better is ridiculous...its people like you that will prevent the US from being recognised as a potentially decent country. you get such negative publicity because your entire social system is based on 'what do i get out of it?' instead of 'everyone puts into the pot and those that need it are covered'

thats not going to turn you into a bunch of commies! its going to make you look respectable in the eyes of the rest of the world. if you'd like to one day wake up and realise theres a whole world waiting outside the states, we'd be happy to include you!

[QUOTE="seriousley"]

depends, if its urgent you go straight in as priority...

if its not urgent you wait your turn...we brits are very good at waiting in line.

plus getting seen eventually is better than not being seen at all.

Stevo_the_gamer

rofl did you read what he said?

if it is urgent, you dont wait. So if you fell off a ladder painting houses at work and broke your leg, you get fixed immediately.

however, lets say you got a bad cold or something, you simply go and stand in line for an hour or something. Not ideal, but far from bad.

Listen, I am telling you now as one of many Americans that don't have health insurance, it would be an awesome thing. I work my ass off but, to put it mildly, I just dont make enough money. However, if the government wants to take an extra 15 bucks per month out of my taxes to ensure I get all the healthcare I need to continue being a productive member of society, I see no problem with that.

The thing that bugs me off is that our government supposedly cares about our welfare. Sure, they will spend billions a month to protect us from terrorists but they wont spend a small-in-comparison amount simply giving people proper medical care.

Same thing with education.

*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Funky_Llama

If he is he probably won't be re-elected after 4 years. And how much can he change US in 4 years anyway?horgen123

Léon Blum changed a hell lot of things in France in about 4 years if my memory serves me right. However, people think that all his changes were revolutionary and great.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That's because it's underfunded. It's not an instrinsic flaw with socialised healthcare.Stevo_the_gamer

you have a very naive worldview.

A lot of people, more than you think, do not have health insurance.

Of those that do, many sacrifice a lot to get it if their employer does not provide it for you.

And then you have people like me. I said earlier I work hard, but I dont make a lot and my employer does not provide any benefits. None.

I wish the world worked like you think it does; "work hard and you get health insurance." But it does not work that way at all.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Stevo_the_gamer

since when?

I walk to work. My roommates take the bus to school. My dad used BART to get from his home to Oakland and then back every day for decades.

Trust me, cars are a luxury.

I just hate the fact that I bust my ass for a higher paying job, just to get taxed more. The sad part is that some of my money will be going to people who refuse to work and stay on welfare. No one can justify these facts. oooo0000oooo000

everyone's money already goes to those who refuse to work.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]That's because it's underfunded. It's not an instrinsic flaw with socialised healthcare.Stevo_the_gamer

I just hate the fact that I bust my ass for a higher paying job, just to get taxed more. The sad part is that some of my money will be going to people who refuse to work and stay on welfare. No one can justify these facts. oooo0000oooo000

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Stevo_the_gamer

Except that a car isn't a necessity...

why is there an assumption that people who dont work will abuse the system???

lets say i earn (and we'll do this in $ to make it clearer) $40,000p/a

i then pay 6%-9% of my gross pay towards healthcare. $4800 per year

i get cancer and need an organ transplant which would cost how many hundreds of thousands of dollars?

but i pay my insurance each month and im covered.

[QUOTE="oooo0000oooo000"]I just hate the fact that I bust my ass for a higher paying job, just to get taxed more. The sad part is that some of my money will be going to people who refuse to work and stay on welfare. No one can justify these facts. cool_baller

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]*sigh* well you should do. It's a necessity.Stevo_the_gamer