anyone else tired of people blaming Obama?

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="entropyecho"]

I think it has been clearly established that it was Clinton's fault and the rest of the Democrats too.

Tazzmission187

typicall conservative response... tell me something what has republicans done legally when they ran the house and senate in 2005? is destroying 95 c.i.a interogation tapes legal? hell is it ok for dick cheney to condone tourture in gitmo? cheneys the and bush is a ****

[QUOTE="Tazzmission187"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Or Carter's. You're suppose to trace back all failures to Democratic administrations. It's quite simple really.Chutebox

typicall conservative response... tell me something what has republicans done legally when they ran the house and senate in 2005? is destroying 95 c.i.a interogation tapes legal? hell is it ok for dick cheney to condone tourture in gitmo? cheneys the and bush is a ****

The only people blaming Obama are angry repubs who are still pissed their warlords lost the last american election.

Meh....comes with the job. He wanted it...he's got it. However, that said....I haven't seen any plan of his that will help the situation.

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[QUOTE="Zackariel"]

The President cannot declare war. He can support war--just like anybody else in this country--but he cannot declare it or end it. That falls to Congress.

Serraph105

Thing is, war hasn't technically been declared. Everything going on in Iraq and Afghanistan are technically military conflicts :P.

Who knows...

I seem to remember Fox News and countless right-wing bloggers and pundits (and subsequently, of course, the Republican constituency) praising Bush just a few years ago when the economy was supposedly going well. Then when they could no longer hide the fact that things were actually going horribly, they quickly blamed it all on the decisions of the most recent democratic admistration, that of Bill Clinton.

Now, I'm not sure which better qualifies as flat-tout Orwellian...retroactively blaming a sudden disaster on an administration that ended eight years ago when things have supposedly been getting better under the new adminstration ever since, or blaming the sudden disaster on a new president who wasn't inducted or even elected until well after the fact.

I should note that I know next to nothing about even the most basic economic principles, so I myself am not going to blame anyone for our poor economic state, if only because I'm not qualified to do so. I always have and always will devote much greater attention to social issues and civil liberties, so when I see Obama spending the first few days in office reversing such collosal travesties as Guantanamo Bay, extraordinary rendition and torture, I can pretty much already declare him NOT a failure.

And finally, whether Bush is directly responsible for any of his administration's countless crimes is irrelevant; financial, political and moral support are enough, and for that matter, I hold just as much of an aversion (to put it lightly) towards the ordinary citizens who likewise support these atrocities as I do the figureheads they continually place in power.

I'm also tired of politics in general.Ireland has the most corrupt bastard government in Europe.

Politics = Professional Lying.

-Misanthropic-

Not Bush's fault, either; Congress declares war, not the President.

I'm tired of people blaming the President because he's the President rather than blaming the other incompetent areas of our government when they screw up.

Zackariel

all of this finger pointing but no one here haves a clue what to do to make things better. if they did, i'm sure they wouldn't be here whining about it. the economy has been tanking for years... i don't remember anyone in the last few presidencies make such a big fuss about the ridiculous debt the country is in..... why all of a sudden ppl expect miracles over night? during the bush years we have spent way too much money we didn't have on war and for what? WMD's? ever sense that time i saw bush addressed the nation wasted ... i knew he was going to do more bad then good.

the country was trashed under bush's watch and he just kindly walked away leaving obama to clean up the mess. i for one don't really trust any politician, but, i'm anxious to see what ppl will say once they start seeing the economy pick up.

I like it when people (mainly conservatives) blame Obama. It just proves they were being crybabies when they complained about people (mainly liberals) blaming Bush. :)

[QUOTE="Zackariel"]

Not Bush's fault, either; Congress declares war, not the President.

I'm tired of people blaming the President because he's the President rather than blaming the other incompetent areas of our government when they screw up.

t3hrubikscube

I'm tired of people blaming bush for every single things that happened. Also getting sick of how people praise Obama likes he is the second coming.rmerri52

[QUOTE="rmerri52"]I'm tired of people blaming bush for every single things that happened. Also getting sick of how people praise Obama likes he is the second coming.Engrish_Major

Because Rush does it that does not negate that it goes on with the other side as well.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because Rush does it that does not negate that it goes on with the other side as well.Engrish_Major

Kidding? You did see all the media coverage Obama got for his nomination and election? Read any posts here about him during that time? Talk to an Obama supporter? They have vastly high idealistic opinions about him.LJS9502_basic

I mean the guy hasn't even been president for 6 months.

all the crap that America is going through isn't because of obama.

its due to that idiot bush!

something like 2.8 trillion for iraq war, 120,000 iraq civilians dead and 4000 US soldiers dead.

NOT Obama;s fault is it? am I right?

Great_Ragnarok

Anything bad that happens under his watch is laid in his lap. Just like Bush. That the way it goes.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kidding? You did see all the media coverage Obama got for his nomination and election? Read any posts here about him during that time? Talk to an Obama supporter? They have vastly high idealistic opinions about him.Engrish_Major

One can get excited but one is in for a huge letdown. Politicians are politicians no matter what label they wear. And the messiah description was used by his voting public long before so I guess they took that title and ran with it. But his fans have only themselves to blame for that.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Kidding? You did see all the media coverage Obama got for his nomination and election? Read any posts here about him during that time? Talk to an Obama supporter? They have vastly high idealistic opinions about him.LJS9502_basic

Not Bush's fault, either; Congress declares war, not the President.

I'm tired of people blaming the President because he's the President rather than blaming the other incompetent areas of our government when they screw up.

Zackariel

And I'm tired of people using it's congress fault because they declare war argument. Who presented congress with the so called evidence? Who partitioned congress to go to war?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]One can get excited but one is in for a huge letdown. Politicians are politicians no matter what label they wear. And the messiah description was used by his voting public long before so I guess they took that title and ran with it. But his fans have only themselves to blame for that.Engrish_Major

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]One can get excited but one is in for a huge letdown. Politicians are politicians no matter what label they wear. And the messiah description was used by his voting public long before so I guess they took that title and ran with it. But his fans have only themselves to blame for that.LJS9502_basic

There is some truth that any politician uses the excitement he generates to help him or herself to get elected, and campaign managers do anything they can to elevate expectations during an election season and then quickly lower them once their horse gets into office. Having said that, I think in general Obama's supporters have much lower expectations of him than his critics seem to. This is a point that some folks (like Gabu) have made many times. Pretty much every time there is an anti-Obama thread up pointing out the fact that he hasn't turned the U.S. into a paradise within his first few weeks in office, his supporters answer "well, duh! We knew that he wouldn't succeed immediately. Do you think the other candidate would have done any better thus far?" Yes, politicians are politicians at the end of the day. But that doesn't mean that all politicians are equally bad, either at their job or as people. nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There is some truth that any politician uses the excitement he generates to help him or herself to get elected, and campaign managers do anything they can to elevate expectations during an election season and then quickly lower them once their horse gets into office. Having said that, I think in general Obama's supporters have much lower expectations of him than his critics seem to. This is a point that some folks (like Gabu) have made many times. Pretty much every time there is an anti-Obama thread up pointing out the fact that he hasn't turned the U.S. into a paradise within his first few weeks in office, his supporters answer "well, duh! We knew that he wouldn't succeed immediately. Do you think the other candidate would have done any better thus far?" Yes, politicians are politicians at the end of the day. But that doesn't mean that all politicians are equally bad, either at their job or as people. LJS9502_basic

Sounds to me that you just don't like Obama and are seeing what you want to see.

As an Obama supporter that also volunteeredand contributed to his campaign, I have NEVER seen anyone with overly high expectations of what he will accomplish. I think we just like him; we believe he is smart, level headed, and a good role model.

The other side dislikes him for being popular. Happens to popular people and things all the time. Becomes popular to hate.

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] There is some truth that any politician uses the excitement he generates to help him or herself to get elected, and campaign managers do anything they can to elevate expectations during an election season and then quickly lower them once their horse gets into office. Having said that, I think in general Obama's supporters have much lower expectations of him than his critics seem to. This is a point that some folks (like Gabu) have made many times. Pretty much every time there is an anti-Obama thread up pointing out the fact that he hasn't turned the U.S. into a paradise within his first few weeks in office, his supporters answer "well, duh! We knew that he wouldn't succeed immediately. Do you think the other candidate would have done any better thus far?" Yes, politicians are politicians at the end of the day. But that doesn't mean that all politicians are equally bad, either at their job or as people. LJS9502_basic

uhm, I live in Georgia, I didn't even know Obama had supporters...I just assumed I was the only one who wanted to give him a chance...

but in all seriousness, republicans are just trying to strangle his administration in the grave, it's what they do, though the timing is pretty bad...

I think his more intelligent supporters recognize that it would be a significant accomplishment if he manages to achieve half of what he's trying to get done. I agree with your basic point that folks have high expectations of Obama in general though. To their credit, I think his administration recognizes this. Pretty much every statement anyone connected with his administration has made since he got into office was something to the effect of "we've got a really tough road ahead of us...inherited a really tough time...etc." When you have millions and millions of supporters, there is going to be a wide range among them of how dialed into reality they are. I don't doubt that you've seen some Obama supporters who really do consider him the second coming of Jesus Christ. But the broad stereotype in general that Obama supporters think he's going to wave a magic wand and make everything wonderful again is a bit overinflated in my opinion. Many consider him the messiah as compared to his predecessor, not in general.



I consider myself, in general with some salient points of disagreement, an Obama supporter and I think it'll probably take two years minimum for us to really get through the present recession as an example. And that's if we're really lucky.nocoolnamejim

I think it'll take longer than two years and will get worse before it gets better but I'm not adverse to you being right about that.:P

Some smart stuffLJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Some smart stuffnocoolnamejim

Bush is no different from any other doll. He's equally to blame. The money he has wasted in this short period of time has been wasted already

Bush is no different from any other doll. He's equally to blame. The money he has wasted in this short period of time has been wasted already

jimbojones_sw

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because Rush does it that does not negate that it goes on with the other side as well.Engrish_Major

You hit the nail on the head.

Conservatives were bitter that Dems were actually excited about Obama. I mean, God forbid conservatives get excited about a moderate like McCain...teh horror! :o

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Because Rush does it that does not negate that it goes on with the other side as well.LJS9502_basic

High idealistic opinions/=/Messiah. I'll concede that some of his supporters had a lack of balance in their views about him, but none of them referred to him as any kind of Messiah. The Messiah thing is a rightwing construct and a particularly tired one at that.

uhm, I live in Georgia, I didn't even know Obama had supporters...I just assumed I was the only one who wanted to give him a chance...

but in all seriousness, republicans are just trying to strangle his administration in the grave, it's what they do, though the timing is pretty bad...

uhm, I live in Georgia, I didn't even know Obama had supporters...I just assumed I was the only one who wanted to give him a chance...

but in all seriousness, republicans are just trying to strangle his administration in the grave, it's what they do, though the timing is pretty bad...

Dems have been in charge for 2 years now...and lets face it..the Pres at the moment always gets undue blame and glory depending on the circumstances...when you are the figurehead you draw attention...simple as that...think anyone really cared that bush inherited a faltering economy?.....nope....and righttfully so.....

I'm still a little upset that the dems compromised on the stimulus bill. Obama shouldn't of let that happen, so I think I'm gonna blame him for that. Besides that though, I think he's been doing a good job, and he hasn't deserved all of the blame that he's been receiving. -Sun_Tzu-

I'm upset that the stimulus bill happened at all :Pthepwninator

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]I'm still a little upset that the dems compromised on the stimulus bill. Obama shouldn't of let that happen, so I think I'm gonna blame him for that. Besides that though, I think he's been doing a good job, and he hasn't deserved all of the blame that he's been receiving. thepwninator

[QUOTE="thepwninator"] I'm upset that the stimulus bill happened at all :POmni-Slash