anyone else tired of people blaming Obama?

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#101 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="thepwninator"] I'm upset that the stimulus bill happened at all :Pawesomeray
seconded :)

Third. That stimulus ****coughsocialistcough****bill was wrong :D
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#102 deactivated-5a84f3399aa1c
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Well, you better get over it. He's the president now, which means everything is his fault, whether it really is or not.
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#103 McJugga
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You're right, let's all blame Bush.
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#104 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="blackngold29"][QUOTE="borgmaster"]

uhm, I live in Georgia, I didn't even know Obama had supporters...I just assumed I was the only one who wanted to give him a chance...

but in all seriousness, republicans are just trying to strangle his administration in the grave, it's what they do, though the timing is pretty bad...

How can the Republicans screw with him when the Democrats are in control of everything?

They can't. Dems tried with bush while they were a minority and couldn't do anything. They only succeeded in after they took power in 2007-2008, and we all see where that left us.
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#105 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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I can't wait to see Obama pass (by signing) that spending bill with the 9000+ earmarks in it -- it would be nice ownage in the face of Obama supporters who praised him on his "avid" and "bold" stance on earmarks. :)

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#106 Great_Ragnarok
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I can't wait to see Obama pass (by signing) that spending bill with the 9000+ earmarks in it -- it would be nice ownage in the face of Obama supporters who praised him on his "avid" and "bold" stance on earmarks. :)

Stevo_the_gamer
you are so paranoid about spending. if the US can justify its massive spending on an unnecessary war in Iraq. then why can't they justify spending money on infrastructure and its own people! I mean they also gave trillion+ for companies. so why not spend money on the rest of the people as well?
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#107 Papitar
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It kinda his job to take it.

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#108 Jacobistheman
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

I can't wait to see Obama pass (by signing) that spending bill with the 9000+ earmarks in it -- it would be nice ownage in the face of Obama supporters who praised him on his "avid" and "bold" stance on earmarks. :)

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you are so paranoid about spending. if the US can justify its massive spending on an unnecessary war in Iraq. then why can't they justify spending money on infrastructure and its own people! I mean they also gave trillion+ for companies. so why not spend money on the rest of the people as well?

So what are you trying to say. "Well we just wasted some money on stupid stuff, so lets waist some more." I wish it worked like that but it doesn't.
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#109 Treflis
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I think the only reason they do blame Obama is because they are sore losers and basically don't agree with the rest of the population.
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#110 pianist
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Get used to it. Lots of vocal people are bitter that he won so convincingly.

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#111 McJugga
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I think the only reason they do blame Obama is because they are sore losers and basically don't agree with the rest of the population.Treflis
Or because we don't agree with what he is doing... Just because our opinion is different doesn't make us losers.
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#112 Tragic_Kingdom7
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I didn't think the stimulus was well-constructed at all, but I must say the ideological opposition to it is getting a bit tiresome. I prefer to look at the issue more pragmatically.

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#113 shoeman12
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who's blaming iraq on obama? we can, however, blame him for increasing the defecit by trillions in one blow.
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#114 Tragic_Kingdom7
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I think the only reason they do blame Obama is because they are sore losers and basically don't agree with the rest of the population.Treflis

Some are sore losers, some are not.

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#115 pianist
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I think it has been clearly established that it was Clinton's fault and the rest of the Democrats too.

entropyecho

Yeah, it's a well-known fact that everything good that happens to America is the result of Republicans and everything bad is the result of Democrats. I mean, sheesh... how narrow-minded can people be? See, it works like this. If things are crappy during a Republican governing period, it's because of the Democrats who were in before. It doesn't even matter if it's a decade after the Democrats were in power - it's still their fault. And whenever anything goes well during a Democrat governing period, it's always because of the tax cuts instituted by the Republicans, even if those tax cuts had already been in effect for a decade and done nothing.

People are just so ignorant. If they were smart, they'd see that Republicans are the best at everything. Always. And they never make mistakes, because they're just cool like that. If they do make mistakes, they're not Republican. They suddenly become Democrat-minded.

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#116 Jacobistheman
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Get used to it. Lots of vocal people are bitter that he won so convincingly.

pianist
People are bitter becuase his policies are wrong. BTW 53% of the vote isn't "so convincingly" most of the states that mattered were within about 1%. This is nothing close to a lot of elections, like in 84 when Regan won with nearly 60%.
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#117 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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you are so paranoid about spending. if the US can justify its massive spending on an unnecessary war in Iraq. then why can't they justify spending money on infrastructure and its own people! I mean they also gave trillion+ for companies. so why not spend money on the rest of the people as well?Great_Ragnarok
... :| So, let's say you're in debt by three-hundred-fifty thousand, who cares if you go buy that $32,000 Toyota, right? I mean, you're already in debt and already carelessly wasted money by getting yourself into that said debt, I mean... if you're going to go down, why not go down faster and harder too? eh? :lol: In all seriousness, I surely hope that post was just sarcastic. At least, I HOPE you weren't serious. :?

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#118 T_P_O
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I blame the public.

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#119 blackngold29
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[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

I think it has been clearly established that it was Clinton's fault and the rest of the Democrats too.

Yeah, it's a well-known fact that everything good that happens to America is the result of Republicans and everything bad is the result of Democrats. I mean, sheesh... how narrow-minded can people be? See, it works like this. If things are crappy during a Republican governing period, it's because of the Democrats who were in before. It doesn't even matter if it's a decade after the Democrats were in power - it's still their fault. And whenever anything goes well during a Democrat governing period, it's always because of the tax cuts instituted by the Republicans, even if those tax cuts had already been in effect for a decade and done nothing.

People are just so ignorant. If they were smart, they'd see that Republicans are the best at everything. Always. And they never make mistakes, because they're just cool like that. If they do make mistakes, they're not Republican. They suddenly become Democrat-minded.

Just as long as you know that many democrats actually feel the opposite....
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#120 shoeman12
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[QUOTE="entropyecho"]

I think it has been clearly established that it was Clinton's fault and the rest of the Democrats too.

pianist

Yeah, it's a well-known fact that everything good that happens to America is the result of Republicans and everything bad is the result of Democrats. I mean, sheesh... how narrow-minded can people be? See, it works like this. If things are crappy during a Republican governing period, it's because of the Democrats who were in before. It doesn't even matter if it's a decade after the Democrats were in power - it's still their fault. And whenever anything goes well during a Democrat governing period, it's always because of the tax cuts instituted by the Republicans, even if those tax cuts had already been in effect for a decade and done nothing.

People are just so ignorant. If they were smart, they'd see that Republicans are the best at everything. Always. And they never make mistakes, because they're just cool like that. If they do make mistakes, they're not Republican. They suddenly become Democrat-minded.

democrats acted the exact same way during the bush administration. if anything bad happened at all in this country, it was bush's fault. when gas prices were high, bush's fault. when they fell, of course it wasn't because of him.
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#121 pianist
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[QUOTE="pianist"]

Get used to it. Lots of vocal people are bitter that he won so convincingly.

Jacobistheman

People are bitter becuase his policies are wrong. BTW 53% of the vote isn't "so convincingly" most of the states that mattered were within about 1%. This is nothing close to a lot of elections, like in 84 when Reagan won with nearly 60%.

His policies are 'wrong' if you're a conservative. Time will tell if breaking from the status quo will prove beneficial or not. As of now, conservative doom and gloom talk is unwarranted, because the effects of Obama's policies will not start to come to light for some time.

As for the election, he won the Electoral College convincingly, which is how a president is elected. 365 to 173 if I recall. And roughly 6% more of the popular vote than McCain. Convincing enough.

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#122 pianist
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Just as long as you know that many democrats actually feel the opposite....blackngold29

Oh, of course. You get it on both sides of the coin. The fellow I was responding too was doing the Clinton blame game, which is why I responded as I did.

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#123 Tragic_Kingdom7
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[QUOTE="pianist"]

Get used to it. Lots of vocal people are bitter that he won so convincingly.

Jacobistheman

People are bitter becuase his policies are wrong. BTW 53% of the vote isn't "so convincingly" most of the states that mattered were within about 1%. This is nothing close to a lot of elections, like in 84 when Regan won with nearly 60%.

Just because he didn't win as big as Reagan doesn't mean that the win wasn't convincing.

53% is may not be record breaking, but it is definitely convincing. This was not like 2000 or 2004. 2008's popular vote differential wasn't gigantic, but it wasn't close either. Electorally, it was a landslide. Obama doubled McCain's electoral count.

Also, your claim about the states that mattered is disingenuous due to the fact that alot of the close states were states Obama should have never been allowed to win in i.e. Indiana, North Carolina, etc.

Whether you like it or not, that is a convincing win. I know you guys don't like to admit that Obama won big enough to have a mandate, but he definitely did.

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#124 -Sun_Tzu-
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[QUOTE="pianist"]

Get used to it. Lots of vocal people are bitter that he won so convincingly.

Jacobistheman
People are bitter becuase his policies are wrong. BTW 53% of the vote isn't "so convincingly" most of the states that mattered were within about 1%. This is nothing close to a lot of elections, like in 84 when Regan won with nearly 60%.

You can't compare Reagan's re-election to Obama's election. If you really want to make a legitimate comparison, then compare their first presidential elections respectively, where Reagan won less of the popular vote in 1980 than Obama did in 2008. And Reagan pulled this country a lot farther right in that first term than Obama is pulling this country left in his own first term.