What do you think? I often hear this from the christian right that theyre being persecuted, that their rights are being taken away. Sometimes its vague, othertimes they outright say it.
I dont think they are, but what do you think?
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What do you think? I often hear this from the christian right that theyre being persecuted, that their rights are being taken away. Sometimes its vague, othertimes they outright say it.
I dont think they are, but what do you think?
They probably feel that we are going against christianity by instilling separation of church and state I would think. What I don't understand is why Christians feel that God must be present in Government. What does God have to do with politics and government? How would it make things better?
My whole family are good Christians, they have been their whole lives, but even they feel that there should be a clear cut line between religion, and everything else.
The separation of Church and State is a Biblical concept.They probably feel that we are going against christianity by instilling separation of church and state I would think. What I don't understand is why Christians feel that God must be present in Government. What does God have to do with politics and government? How would it make things better?
My whole family are good Christians, they have been their whole lives, but even they feel that there should be a clear cut line between religion, and everything else.
Lethargika
[QUOTE="Lethargika"]The separation of Church and State is a Biblical concept. how?They probably feel that we are going against christianity by instilling separation of church and state I would think. What I don't understand is why Christians feel that God must be present in Government. What does God have to do with politics and government? How would it make things better?
My whole family are good Christians, they have been their whole lives, but even they feel that there should be a clear cut line between religion, and everything else.
aRE-you-AFraid
Not really. Maybe somewhere down the line it'll happen if Christians somehow become a minority, but not as it stands.
There were a number of church burnings in Norway, though, years ago.
Some consider themselves persecuted because they arn't allowed to hang their scriptures in government buildings or someone tells them they shouldn't be able to force the government to make laws based on biblical law. If you consider them persecuted, every other religion has it about 10 times worse.
In my opinion, no. They get preferencial treatment in society and their religion is freely allowed to trample over the seperation of church and state to the point where it no longer exists.
Yes, in fact, white middle-class Christian males are among one of the most persecuted groups in the world right nowclubsammich91im going to make a topic about white people once this ones officially dead
[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Yes, in fact, white middle-class Christian males are among one of the most persecuted groups in the world right nowchrisrooR:lol: seriously? Do you know what antisemitism is?The internet really needs a proper sarcasm emoticon.
[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Yes, in fact, white middle-class Christian males are among one of the most persecuted groups in the world right nowclubsammich91:lol: seriously? Do you know what antisemitism is?The internet really needs a proper sarcasm emoticon. I got the sarcasm!
If by "rights" they mean their "right" to shove their beliefs down other people's throats then, yes, probably. But then again, there is no mention of those specific "rights" in the Constitution. (please note: I am specifically referring to the extreme right and not Christians in general, just the outspoken few who believe that they are correct and everyone else is wrong).
The internet really needs a proper sarcasm emoticon.clubsammich91
if Christians consider themselves persecuted then all i ahve to say is wow.........i've had 3 (or was it 2, gah i have to reread all those topics again!!!!)of them in this form call my religion a myth.......yup they're being persecuted alright:roll:
Which religion is that by the way? If you don't mind sharing.if Christians consider themselves persecuted then all i ahve to say is wow.........i've had 3 (or was it 2, gah i have to reread all those topics again!!!!)of them in this form call my religion a myth.......yup they're being persecuted alright:roll:
lordreaven
no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
SunofVich
[QUOTE="SunofVich"]no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is. I don't recall being taught any "atheistic ideas" in school.Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
mohfrontline
I also recall there were three different Christian clubs on my high school campus. And a very large portion the choral music that we sang was Christian music.
[QUOTE="SunofVich"]no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is. what atheist ideas are being taught to children?Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
mohfrontline
[QUOTE="SunofVich"]no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
mohfrontline
Teaching evolution=persecution eh?
no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.[QUOTE="mohfrontline"][QUOTE="SunofVich"]
Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
MasterC5
Teaching evolution=persecution eh?
this is what i was talking about....[QUOTE="MasterC5"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.Atheists_Pwn
Teaching evolution=persecution eh?
this is what i was talking about.... evolution != atheism People never seem to get it....[QUOTE="mohfrontline"][QUOTE="SunofVich"]no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is. what atheist ideas are being taught to children? in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.
Atheists_Pwn
no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.mohfrontline
in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.mohfrontline
In Science class they teach ideas which are supported by science.
Big surprise.
If you want to study religions, take a religious studies course in college.
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.foxhound_fox
thank you for that. I think you helped proved my point here. The United States was once a christian country. It shut down on Sundays so people could go to church. Now, they are basically persecuting the religion, even teaching kids other ideas, which would have been unheard of 100 years ago. That's why I think Christianity, as a religion, is being persecuted. Soon to be replaced by a new religion called "Atheism".
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"] in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.MetroidPrimePwn
In Science class they teach ideas which are supported by science.
Big surprise.
If you want to study religions, take a religious studies course in college.
those "scientific ideas" like evolution and the big bang theory have no more evidence than creationism. Believing that we all came from green algae could be considered a religious idea as much as the belief that God created the earth is.The United States was once a christian country. mohfrontline
[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"] in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.mohfrontline
In Science class they teach ideas which are supported by science.
Big surprise.
If you want to study religions, take a religious studies course in college.
those "scientific ideas" like evolution and the big bang theory have no more evidence than creationism. Believing that we all came from green algae could be considered a religious idea as much as the belief that God created the earth is. Actually, evolution is *very* well-backed. Big Bang Theory is more complicated.[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.mohfrontline
thank you for that. I think you helped proved my point here. The United States was once a christian country. It shut down on Sundays so people could go to church. Now, they are basically persecuting the religion, even teaching kids other ideas, which would have been unheard of 100 years ago. That's why I think Christianity, as a religion, is being persecuted. Soon to be replaced by a new religion called "Atheism".
america was never, at any time a christian nation atheism is not a religion.[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"] in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.mohfrontline
In Science class they teach ideas which are supported by science.
Big surprise.
If you want to study religions, take a religious studies course in college.
those "scientific ideas" like evolution and the big bang theory have no more evidence than creationism. Believing that we all came from green algae could be considered a religious idea as much as the belief that God created the earth is.Just a question, how old are you?
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]The United States was once a christian country. foxhound_fox
[QUOTE="Atheists_Pwn"][QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.mohfrontlinewhat atheist ideas are being taught to children? in science class they teach evolution and the big bang theory. apparently God creating the earth is not a part of the curriculum, because like I said, they now teach atheistic beliefs and ideas.
I really believe there is a stunning amount of christians who would like the country to be ran as a theocracy.
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]The United States was once a christian country. foxhound_fox
hate to say it, but you are actually wrong there. The US was founded on christian principles and values. Now, there is nothing christian about this country, and people are trying their best to keep it that way. Which is why I think christian beliefs are being persecuted. You can even see it in this thread. I don't think I need to post anymore.
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.mohfrontline
thank you for that. I think you helped proved my point here. The United States was once a christian country. It shut down on Sundays so people could go to church. Now, they are basically persecuting the religion, even teaching kids other ideas, which would have been unheard of 100 years ago. That's why I think Christianity, as a religion, is being persecuted. Soon to be replaced by a new religion called "Atheism".
The US was never a christian country.
If we started teaching christian beliefs as fact, wouldn't that mean every other religion but christianity was being persecuted? So it's okay to persecute religion as long as it isn't yours?
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"]The United States was once a christian country. mohfrontline
hate to say it, but you are actually wrong there. The US was founded on christian principles and values. Now, there is nothing christian about this country, and people are trying their best to keep it that way. Which is why I think christian beliefs are being persecuted. You can even see it in this thread. I don't think I need to post anymore.
what principles and values was this country founded on? Not killing?? No theft etc? These are present in countries that have no christian history[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
[QUOTE="mohfrontline"] no, they took religion out of schools and now teach atheistic ideas to kids. If anything it's the christian ideas and beliefs that are being persecuted in that case. The people aren't getting persecuted, it's their religion that is.mohfrontline
thank you for that. I think you helped proved my point here. The United States was once a christian country. It shut down on Sundays so people could go to church. Now, they are basically persecuting the religion, even teaching kids other ideas, which would have been unheard of 100 years ago. That's why I think Christianity, as a religion, is being persecuted. Soon to be replaced by a new religion called "Atheism".
.. No people still worked on Sunday's they had to in both agrarian and industrial societies.. Atheism isn't a religion, and the big bang, and evolution is not athiestic either.. The Catholic church under the Pope accepts evolution they are most certainly not athiest......
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