Are Christians being persecuted in America?

Okay, IS Norway Christian or rather, is your "Leader" Christian? God can't simply "Stop Making Them", he loves all people that he creates, even if they do disobey him. Why do you think there's a Heaven, if we commit sin and God is not forgiving, we'd all go to HEll and there would be no Heaven. Snipes_2

There is no seperation between the church, and the state in Norway.

On the other hand, gay marriage is legal.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Okay, IS Norway Christian or rather, is your "Leader" Christian? God can't simply "Stop Making Them", he loves all people that he creates, even if they do disobey him. Why do you think there's a Heaven, if we commit sin and God is not forgiving, we'd all go to HEll and there would be no Heaven. Teenaged

seriously snipes, I like you in all, but this is ridiculous. Create your own topic and stop hijacking this thread please.alexside1

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay, IS Norway Christian or rather, is your "Leader" Christian? God can't simply "Stop Making Them", he loves all people that he creates, even if they do disobey him. Why do you think there's a Heaven, if we commit sin and God is not forgiving, we'd all go to HEll and there would be no Heaven. _Tobli_

There is no seperation between the church, and the state in Norway.

On the other hand, gay marriage is legal.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"]Okay, IS Norway Christian or rather, is your "Leader" Christian? God can't simply "Stop Making Them", he loves all people that he creates, even if they do disobey him. Why do you think there's a Heaven, if we commit sin and God is not forgiving, we'd all go to HEll and there would be no Heaven. Snipes_2

It doesnt just mention it. It teaches it. It doesnt matter if Christians didnt stone anyone. Or it does. They defied the Bible.

Why did they defy it?

[QUOTE="_Tobli_"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Okay, IS Norway Christian or rather, is your "Leader" Christian? God can't simply "Stop Making Them", he loves all people that he creates, even if they do disobey him. Why do you think there's a Heaven, if we commit sin and God is not forgiving, we'd all go to HEll and there would be no Heaven. Snipes_2

There is no seperation between the church, and the state in Norway.

On the other hand, gay marriage is legal.

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

You don't think that saying "oh, these parts of the Bible don't apply anymore because times have changed. Oh yeah, but these parts right next to them are still completely valid because despite the times changing God's word is God's word" is cherry picking? Please.

We all know the reason you, and most other fundies, use that "logic" is becuase you have a problem with homosexuals and thus you have no issues when your religion forbids it. However, when it comes to think like child executions and not being able to eat certain foods, you have to come up with an excuse as to why those parts don't have to be obeyed anymore because, let's face it, if you had to follow those rules it would be very difficult to continue being a Christian. Of course, you could just believe that Jesus rendered the entire OT obsolete which is what most Christians believe anyway, but then you'd have to give up all the religious support for your prejudaces.

wstfld

I'm sorry but this logic is terrible. Many people are born with cancers, blindness, etc. Should we stop time and effort in finding a cure for these illnesses, if god makes them in the first place?alexside1

What? I don't even know where.... What?............Ugh.

That has nothing to do with what i said.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]I'm sorry but this logic is terrible. Many people are born with cancers, blindness, etc. Should we stop time and effort in finding a cure for these illnesses, if god makes them in the first place?_Tobli_

What? I don't even know where.... What?............Ugh.

That has nothing to do with what i said.

Then elaborate for me.alexside1

First you have to establish what you consider homosexuality to be.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] As I've said many times, You can be inclined towards the same sex, as long as you don't act upon those urges. Lol, "Fundies"...I don't Cherry Pick anything. I'm taking quotes that are relevant to the situation because I can't quote the entirety of the Bible on GameSpot.

Snipes_2

You don't think that saying "oh, these parts of the Bible don't apply anymore because times have changed. Oh yeah, but these parts right next to them are still completely valid because despite the times changing God's word is God's word" is cherry picking? Please.

We all know the reason you, and most other fundies, use that "logic" is becuase you have a problem with homosexuals and thus you have no issues when your religion forbids it. However, when it comes to think like child executions and not being able to eat certain foods, you have to come up with an excuse as to why those parts don't have to be obeyed anymore because, let's face it, if you had to follow those rules it would be very difficult to continue being a Christian. Of course, you could just believe that Jesus rendered the entire OT obsolete which is what most Christians believe anyway, but then you'd have to give up all the religious support for your prejudaces.

Fine, here's another passage about shellfish, this time from Deuteronomy 14:9-10: These ye shall eat of all that are in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat: And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it is unclean unto you.

Man, God really doesn't want you eating shellfish does he? That's twice in the bible where he says he doesn't want you eating shellfish (coincidentally, those two times are also in the same spots where Christians get all their anti-homosexual quotes).

Also, since we're talking about cherry picking please explain all of the parts of Leviticus that are right next to the part about homosexuality (Leviticus 20:13, as I'm sure you're aware)

20:9For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (ever said "I hate you dad/mom" when they took something away from you for punishment? According to the bible they should have killed you dead)

20:10And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. (Tiger Woods should be executed along with all his mistresses)

20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. (hey look it's your favorite part! Oh but wait, what's that part about executing homosexuals? Hey, you're a good Christian who doesn't cherry pick statements, why aren't you out there killing gay people?)

20:22 Ye shall therefore keep all my statutes, and all my judgments, and do them: that the land, whither I bring you to dwell therein, spue you not out. (FYI God is saying here "you don't get to pick and choose which of these you want to follow, you follow them all or bad things will happen)

20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. (The Phelps family is completely justified in what they're doing according to this passage)

20:27A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them. (Also, witches and wizards exist and you should totally go Salem Witch Trials on their asses)

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Then elaborate for me._Tobli_

First you have to establish what you consider homosexuality to be.

Why should I? Explain.alexside1

Well your post made homosexuality out to be something very negative.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]Why should I? Explain._Tobli_

Well your post made homosexuality out to be something very negative.

The Hospitaller in Kingdom of Heaven has the same point of view as I do.

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here
[points to head]
and here
[points to heart]
and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not.

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]

Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.

Fuhgeddabouditt

The Fight Over Faith.
God is everywhere in American culture.
Not just in the churches, synagogues and mosques that dot the land.
A higher power is evident in pop culture where you see movie stars and performers give thanks in their acceptance speeches..
And in sports when even the biggest and best athletes point to the heavens when they excel on the field.
92-percent of Amercans say they believe in God or a higher power. That's according to a pew research poll done two years ago.
So why does it seem religion and it's followers are always mired in controversy.
That is what we are tackling tonight.
We ask: Are we really one nation under God?
Many believers, especially Christians think they are now coming under attack in this country.
On the other hand some Americans call religious beliefs outdated even claiming it's "for the weak".
Now we take on the Fight Over Faith.

The Hospitaller in Kingdom of Heaven has the same point of view as I do.

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here
[points to head]
and here
[points to heart]
and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not.

SunofVich

[QUOTE="SunofVich"]

The Hospitaller in Kingdom of Heaven has the same point of view as I do.

I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of god. I have seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What god desires is here
[points to head]
and here
[points to heart]
and what you decide to do every day, you will be a good man - or not.

alexside1

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"][QUOTE="SunofVich"]

Athiests are being persecuted way more then Christians are.

Pixel-Pirate

I have never seen any of these things happen, ever, sorry.

A preacher cannot be arrested for preaching in a church, or really at all due to first amendmant rights. They could get arrested for tresspassing if they are preaching private property and refuse to leave. People say God and write it all the time, they just arn't supposed to mention it or use God as a supreme authority in government, due to seperation of church and state.

I haven't seen any atheists who have a problem with christmas or easter since both holidays have basically nothing to do with christianity and are corporate holidays. Now, christians angry that people say "happy holidays" instead of merry christmas? Those I have seen.

What? Quote it for me.alexside1

Naah....

"Many people are born with cancers, blindness, etc. Should we stop time and effort in finding a cure for these illnesses, if god makes them in the first place?"

I'm sorry, but i just don't see the relevance to my original quote.

Not really.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]What? Quote it for me._Tobli_

Naah....

"Many people are born with cancers, blindness, etc. Should we stop time and effort in finding a cure for these illnesses, if god makes them in the first place?"

I'm sorry, but i just don't see the relevance to my original quote.

My point is, there is more hostility towards christians than atheists and its showing all over the media and in out daily lives. Fuhgeddabouditt

Please.... All i read, and hear are examples of the opposite.

[QUOTE="Fuhgeddabouditt"]My point is, there is more hostility towards christians than atheists and its showing all over the media and in out daily lives. _Tobli_

Please.... All i read, and hear are examples of the opposite.

No. Anyone who says otherwise is lying in order to recieve unwarranted sympathy.

My point is, there is more hostility towards christians than atheists and its showing all over the media and in out daily lives.

Fuhgeddabouditt

Only a little over 40% of Americans would be willing to vote for an atheist for president, even if that person was otherwise well-qualified for the position.

I rather imagine that that number would be higher if instead of "atheist" the pollster said "Christian".

No, but they are in some parts of the middle east and India.

No, but they are in some parts of the middle east and India.

dracula_16

and I respond with the sentence in your quote.alexside1

You seem to fail to notice the combination of the tale that god made them, and how that relates to the bible.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Shellfish is food, I don't get the comparison. Homosexuality is not used for nourishment, or food, It is based on morality.

Snipes_2

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

You are just picking and choosing.

Does in the Bible say: "oh you can ignore that teaching about shellfish if you want; its just food, its not based on morality"

>_______________>

So God, a being that is infallible and whom we cannot deny, is actually fallible and wrong about shellfish and it's okay to eat? He said it was wrong, if you say it is okay to eat it, you are saying God was wrong, which is blasphemy.

[QUOTE="Jaks_Publicity"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] Shellfish is used as nourishment. It is not a question of Morality. Snipes_2

All sin is equal in the eyes of the lord.

Perhaps they just feel they aren't getting their way.bluezy

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="PannicAtack"] 1. "No True Scotsman" 2. The first link there had as reasons 4 and 5 "he supports homosexuality" and "he's pro-choice." What a load of baloney.wstfld

There are various forms of Christianity. You know that right?

christians in america being persecuted? that's laughable.

uhm no, compared to other countries the us has probably one of the biggest populations of christians

uhm no, compared to other countries the us has probably one of the biggest populations of christians

The_Last_Ride

On the Internet it seems to be that way, well in someplaces, like always.

Perhaps but it's hard to say they don't deserve every bit of it. The abuse scandals all over the world are a clear indication that there was a clear imbalance when it came to allowing those of faith to practice their religion and given them free reign to do what they liked. The more power is divided, the better things are I think.