Are metalheads all conservative/right wing nuts?

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Lol. Gaahl has done none of those things. He's a hyped up media portrayal. Any real black metal fan knows he says these things for his image.

iloverikku11

he's a homosexual fashion designer....

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Are they? lol

I started hanging around with a new crowd since summer started (Don't worry I still have my old buddies haha) that were really into their whole heavy metal shtick. Anyway to cut a long story short I got to know them really well and vice versa. It turns out that I don't quite share the same view as them unfortunately!

After that things went downhill, and then they ragged on me for ages over how I'm a huge f***** and a liberal and whatever lol :( I hate metalheads now, they are all scum from what I've encountered :?

But then I went online and I discovered a trend of all metalheads being conservative and right wing nuts. They hate minorities, find all races apart from their own inferior (They're all white btw) and loads of other nasty stuff that I'd rather not list right now. I honestly hope they don't vote. I mean I didn't ask their ages (I thought they were as old as I am, which is of legal age) but judging from their behaviour they couldn't be more than 18 could they? Though heavy metal is an underage thing isn't it? The only thing that might set them apart from conservative values is that they hate religion lol, which I think is hilarious but I'm not sure why. Authority issues maybe?

What is your take? =d

WushuFighter

There's a difference between a metalhead and someone who listens to a lot of metal. I happen to listen a ton of metal, and I don't fit the description in your post at all.

There is outliers in every group my good man.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="imaps3fanboy"]

Lol. Gaahl has done none of those things. He's a hyped up media portrayal. Any real black metal fan knows he says these things for his image.

mywalletsgone

It's funny you're swayed so easily by him, being fellow metalheads. I wouldn't be surprised if that Ghall dude actually commited all that crap.

Like, I'm all for music tastes but I can never take people seriously if they perpetuate the same sentiments as the artists. Always seperate an artist from their work!

Change two letters to get "meatheads". Coincidence?Mr_Snrub_

and if you multiply 2 by 333... you get 666!

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Oh... well fair enough then. I thought that he really was a psychopath...DmadFearmonger

It's funny you're swayed so easily by him, being fellow metalheads. I wouldn't be surprised if that Ghall dude actually commited all that crap.

Like, I'm all for music tastes but I can never take people seriously if they perpetuate the same sentiments as the artists. Always seperate an artist from their work!

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

Ok ok, this was a good idea for a troll thread. Lots of metal listeners on OT to piss off. You should make one about rap music next: I am sure you can think of some good generalizations for their fans :lol:

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] You mean you have a Varg avatar yet don't know who he is? :O

There is a reason its funny that he looks so happy and carefree. He is a neo-nazi pagan who murdered a fellow black metal guitarist, and burned down a church or two. He was in prison for a long time.

majoras_wrath

Well wow, you see this is what I'm talking about. I feel disgusted thinking that he's my avatar and sig but I'm afraid to change it now because it's my forum identity :(

But yeah, whoa. That guy is a total bigot... I totally get the fire thing now. But it sorta backs up my point. Lunatics. I think he might be one of the guys who let it out beyond his music, am I correct?

Hah, not gonna lie I just thought his face was funny and someone gave me the sig image and I lol'd and just put it in. I'm an open minded kinda guy =p

Funny coincidence that this thread shows up. Just yesterday, I visited a forum called stormfront.org. Don't really know if I should be posting this here, because it's a White Nationalist hate site that was apparently started by a former KKK member many years ago. They claim they are only standing up for white pride and culture, because whites are supposedly a persecuted and dying breed. But if you read some of their threads, it's clear that they really hate minorities, especially Blacks and Jews. Some of the things they say are pretty hateful and scary. In fact, I even found a link to the guy in your avatar and sig, and about the crime he committed. And this was just yesterday.

One of the other things I learned pretty much confirms would you said to a large extent. I found a thread talking about metalheads and how they are supposed to be White Nationalist, conservative, and racist. That actually surprised me. But then there was someone who mentioned that he's seen metalheads at concerts dating minorites, and how much it disgusts him. If you didn't know, they are totally against interracial dating and believe in preserving the purity of the white race. They especially hate seeing a beautiful white woman dating someone from a minority.

Males are apparently a significant majority in the WN movement (although they do have their share of females), and they are trying to find ways to recruit more women. Problem is, many of them are not just racist, but sexist as well. And even if they aren't, they admit that women have a harder time accepting their views. After spending more time on the site, I was able to glean that many of these guys are depressed and insecure, and have a hard time meeting women.

Ok ok, this was a good idea for a troll thread. Lots of metal listeners on OT to piss off. You should make one about rap music next: I am sure you can think of some good generalizations for their fans :lol:

limpbizkit818

Obvious metal fan. Limpbizkit as their username.

Don't get defensive because I'm speaking about my experiences. The stuff I've seen hardly wavered from the trend, and had hardly any outliers. Like I've said after I encountered those freaks I took my time online to take a long look at metal music fans behavior.

Blaze787

like wow.... some scary folks.

Thankfully i've met very few people as bad some of those guys.

Funny coincidence that this thread shows up. Just yesterday, I visited a forum called stormfront.org. Don't really know if I should be posting this here, because it's a White Nationalist hate site that was apparently started by a former KKK member many years ago. They claim they are only standing up for white pride and culture, because whites are supposedly a persecuted and dying breed. But if you read some of their threads, it's clear that they really hate minorities, especially Blacks and Jews. Some of the things they say are pretty hateful and scary.

One of the things I learned, just yesterday, pretty much confirms would you said to a large extent. Even people on that forum admit that many metalheads are White Nationalist and racist. But then there was someone who mentioned that he's seen metalheads at concerts dating minorites, and how much it disgusts him. If you didn't know, they are totally against interracial dating and believe in preserving the purity of the white race. They especially hate seeing a beautiful white woman dating someone from a minority.

Males are apparently a significant majority in the WN movement (although they do have their share of females), and they are trying to find ways to recruit more women. Problem is, many of them are not just racist, but sexist as well. And even if they aren't, they admit that women have a harder time accepting their views. After spending more time on the site, I was able to glean that many of these guys are depressed and insecure, and have a hard time meeting women.

Blaze787

In a nutshell I would probably put it down to the average white male being scared. Luckily I'm not an average white male and can tower above that clouded view lmao, although I'd welcome a few metal suggestions.

I think the more educated one is, the more open they are, and that includes music. Correct?

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

It's funny you're swayed so easily by him, being fellow metalheads. I wouldn't be surprised if that Ghall dude actually commited all that crap.

Like, I'm all for music tastes but I can never take people seriously if they perpetuate the same sentiments as the artists. Always seperate an artist from their work!

mywalletsgone

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

Ok ok, this was a good idea for a troll thread. Lots of metal listeners on OT to piss off. You should make one about rap music next: I am sure you can think of some good generalizations for their fans :lol:

mywalletsgone

Obvious metal fan. Limpbizkit as their username.

Don't get defensive because I'm speaking about my experiences. The stuff I've seen hardly wavered from the trend, and had hardly any outliers. Like I've said after I encountered those freaks I took my time online to take a long look at metal music fans behavior.

Whatever, I am not going to bother getting into an argument with you when this is clearly a troll topic.

And yeah, Limp Bizkit man. Such hardcore metal. So intense. Listen to these vocals. So much hatred. Gonna go vote Republican, brb.

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]I wouldn't be surprised either. But "Imaps3fanboy" knows what he's talking about. From previous debates with him I've learnt this o.0 Also you can't really call me a metal head. I listen to far more "Rock" music and the metal I listen to isn't extremeDmadFearmonger

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

I tried out Opeth, Dream Theatre and Meshuggah and they all seem like extreme metal to me.

I'd say you're right. By the way, read my previous post again if you can, because I edited it twice and added a bit more info. Sorry.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

mywalletsgone

I tried out Opeth, Dream Theatre and Meshuggah and they all seem like extreme metal to me.

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="limpbizkit818"]

Ok ok, this was a good idea for a troll thread. Lots of metal listeners on OT to piss off. You should make one about rap music next: I am sure you can think of some good generalizations for their fans :lol:

limpbizkit818

Obvious metal fan. Limpbizkit as their username.

Don't get defensive because I'm speaking about my experiences. The stuff I've seen hardly wavered from the trend, and had hardly any outliers. Like I've said after I encountered those freaks I took my time online to take a long look at metal music fans behavior.

Whatever, I am not going to bother getting into an argument with you when this is clearly a troll topic.

And yeah, Limp Bizkit man. Such hardcore metal. So intesne. Listen to these vocals. So much hatred. Gonna go vote Republican, brb.

Are you implying that metal vocals have to be harsh to be metal? Because from what I've researched, it's not like that.

And you can call me a troll all you want, my experiences are my experiences haha

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]By extreme I mean Death, Doom and Black. Prog and Thrash are hardly extremeDmadFearmonger

I tried out Opeth, Dream Theatre and Meshuggah and they all seem like extreme metal to me.

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"] They are pretty extreme.

I tried out Opeth, Dream Theatre and Meshuggah and they all seem like extreme metal to me.

mywalletsgone

i think you might be on to something...

I started hanging around with a new crowd since summer started (Don't worry I still have my old buddies haha)mywalletsgone

Oh man, I was really worried. Phew!

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"] They are pretty extreme.

I tried out Opeth, Dream Theatre and Meshuggah and they all seem like extreme metal to me.

mywalletsgone

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

I started hanging around with a new crowd since summer started (Don't worry I still have my old buddies haha)sammyjenkis898

Oh man, I was really worried. Phew!

You weren't REALLY worried, but what you WERE worried about was that I'd start dissing hipster stuff!

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Opeth are, yes. Dream Theater definetly are not and I can't say about that last one.DmadFearmonger

I can record a mish mash of scales and notes in 12/8 and also call it interesting =S

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"] Well whatever about Opeth, they are extreme and I just found blegh. As for Dream Theatre, just sounded like chaos to me, no direction or form, nor structure. It just sounded like extreme fore extreme's sake, y'know?

mywalletsgone

I can record a mish mash of scales and notes in 12/8 and also call it interesting =S

[QUOTE="iloverikku11"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Oh... well fair enough then. I thought that he really was a psychopath...imaps3fanboy

he's a homosexual fashion designer....

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]I wouldn't be surprised either. But "Imaps3fanboy" knows what he's talking about. From previous debates with him I've learnt this o.0 Also you can't really call me a metal head. I listen to far more "Rock" music and the metal I listen to isn't extremeDmadFearmonger

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

I know a few people who listen to Thrash and think it is the most extreme thing ever >.>

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

Haha the guys I talked to and researched didn't have to be extreme either. By extreme to you mean thrash, prog metal etc? They all liked that kinda stuff. But they were bottled up guys, very small social circle and very defensive. I dunno they were probably threatened by someone with conflicting views but whatever.

Joshywaa

I know a few people who listen to Thrash and think it is the most extreme thing ever >.>

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Dream Theater's strange music doesn't make it extreme. It makes it detailed and interesting.DmadFearmonger

I can record a mish mash of scales and notes in 12/8 and also call it interesting =S

I can if that kind of stuff appeals to you, which it seems to do =p

I am also in the key of C# minor, enjoy lol

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

I can record a mish mash of scales and notes in 12/8 and also call it interesting =S

mywalletsgone

I can if that kind of stuff appeals to you, which it seems to do =p

I am also in the key of C# minor, enjoy lol

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"]Anyone can, but can you do it and make good music with it?DmadFearmonger

I can if that kind of stuff appeals to you, which it seems to do =p

I am also in the key of C# minor, enjoy lol

Would you want me to? Well I'll forward my email onto you man, I'll send you my stuff =p

Uhhhhh no. Stop generalizing.

I'm a metal fan and I hate right wing nuts. What now?

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

I can if that kind of stuff appeals to you, which it seems to do =p

I am also in the key of C# minor, enjoy lol

mywalletsgone

Would you want me to? Well I'll forward my email onto you man, I'll send you my stuff =p

[QUOTE="DmadFearmonger"][QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] The whole black metal scene was f***** up. At one point, a vocalist for some band committed suicide with a gun, and the guitarist (same dude who was later murdered by Varg) cooked up his dead friends brains and ate them. Just curious, why did you pick your Varg avatar if you didn't know about all this? imaps3fanboy

Lol. Gaahl has done none of those things. He's a hyped up media portrayal. Any real black metal fan knows he says these things for his image.

Ive seen Gaahl many times(we live in the same city) and he is pretty big and menacing looking :P
I dont have a hard time imagining him doing really F`ed up things to people. I dont think he has murdered anyone though.
He has totally lost it at times and beaten people(two which I know of) senseless.
As for the crucifixion, its was actually just a couple of people hanging(voluntary) on a cross during a concert in Poland, and because of the heat or something one of the women hanging a cross passed out. She was quickly taken down and cared for though. So he is hyped up, but not totally innocent ;)

I know lots of a metalheads who aren't conservative, does that mean that they are all liberal? God no!

Judge people individually rather than generally

Im a metalhead and i am conservative, im not a nut job though -.-

I just dont enjoy when my taxes go to someone who wants to freeload. I will gladly help the poor, but not someone who doesnt work.

I'm a metalhead and I'm fairly liberal (more moderate though). My brother is a metalhead and he is quite liberal. My good friend is a metal head and he is extremely liberal.

Also your "argument" has a MAJOR logical fallacy: hasty generalization. Its just the same as me meeting a group of rap lovers and them saying they want to overthrow the government, can I then safely assume that all rap lovers want to overthrow the government? Just using that as an example, I have never met a rap lover who wants to overthrow the government :P.

So point being, not all metalheads are conservative nuts. I fail to see any possible connotation between musical tastes and political idealogy unless a massive study is made.

Are they? lol

I started hanging around with a new crowd since summer started (Don't worry I still have my old buddies haha) that were really into their whole heavy metal shtick. Anyway to cut a long story short I got to know them really well and vice versa. It turns out that I don't quite share the same view as them unfortunately!

After that things went downhill, and then they ragged on me for ages over how I'm a huge f***** and a liberal and whatever lol :( I hate metalheads now, they are all scum from what I've encountered :?

But then I went online and I discovered a trend of all metalheads being conservative and right wing nuts. They hate minorities, find all races apart from their own inferior (They're all white btw) and loads of other nasty stuff that I'd rather not list right now. I honestly hope they don't vote. I mean I didn't ask their ages (I thought they were as old as I am, which is of legal age) but judging from their behaviour they couldn't be more than 18 could they? Though heavy metal is an underage thing isn't it? The only thing that might set them apart from conservative values is that they hate religion lol, which I think is hilarious but I'm not sure why. Authority issues maybe?

What is your take? =d

mywalletsgone

Not that I know of. Just people that like hard rock. Young people tend to be more liberal in general anyways.

Not me, I'm Hispanic and a huge liberal.

[QUOTE="mywalletsgone"]

[QUOTE="majoras_wrath"] You mean you have a Varg avatar yet don't know who he is? :O

There is a reason its funny that he looks so happy and carefree. He is a neo-nazi pagan who murdered a fellow black metal guitarist, and burned down a church or two. He was in prison for a long time.

majoras_wrath

Well wow, you see this is what I'm talking about. I feel disgusted thinking that he's my avatar and sig but I'm afraid to change it now because it's my forum identity :(

But yeah, whoa. That guy is a total bigot... I totally get the fire thing now. But it sorta backs up my point. Lunatics. I think he might be one of the guys who let it out beyond his music, am I correct?