Are teachers really under payed?

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]You do realize that you have to have a a degree or a minor + some classes in that subject area, right? (at least in every state I know of) -so a math or english teacher will have that degree (or a couple classes short) + an education degreeOmni-Slash

[QUOTE="curono"]considering what they must deal with, prep time, check homeworks and being directly in charge of 10-70 people... I think that is being underpaid....YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="curono"]considering what they must deal with, prep time, check homeworks and being directly in charge of 10-70 people... I think that is being underpaid....curono

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="curono"]considering what they must deal with, prep time, check homeworks and being directly in charge of 10-70 people... I think that is being underpaid....curono

[QUOTE="curono"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"] Don't forget only working 9 months out of the year.surrealnumber5

Nooooo, they get more holiday than the Queen of blighty! People who can't.....teach.Justinps2hero

yes. end of story

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]I apologize but I'm not really understanding the point you are trying to make. Can you rephrase that please?

YellowOneKinobi

As a side note: I still hold to my original point that they know what the pay scale is in their area prior to going into the profession. Like any other job/career, there is nothing wrong with trying to make more, but there is something about the way teachers go about it that irks me (broad brush, I know). They act as if they are shocked to find out what they earn or that somehow they were making more and suddenly have their base pay slashed. I also don't see why teachers earn more money via conventional means (such as teaching summer school or coaching one of the sports or academic clubs).

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="curono"] Dont forget that there are in-between courses and they are the direct RESPONSIBLES of pretty much everyone's education.YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"][QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] what responsibility? what happens if they under perform?surrealnumber5

Although honestly this whole debate reminds me a little bit of a mechanical contractor I have to negotiate with at times. I'll change the scenario to involve teachers pay:

Person A: Teachers should get more pay

Me: What number do you think is justified?

Person A: More!

I honestly believe so, just because the education of our young is most important.

Overpaid. Work what 9 months out of the year, have the summer off, benefits good, and make $60k +. And they are still complaining.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]In the US....definitely not.ShuLordLiuPei

Yes, they are. At least here in Brazil.

No, but they are over worked. My friend is a Highschool teacher, and they have him split between two different schools at the moment. Thats twice the work load basically on the same salary.

Cant really compare to other professions but as a teacher I say we deserve more, at least a little. I know every job is demanding but still teachers, especialy for children under 18, have to do a lot of things really. You have to take lots of work-related stuff home and do it at home. When you come from school its not over yet. You have to prepare for future classes, grade lots of student"s work etc. etc.

tommyas

I agree with you here. My g/f is a teacher and for the amount of work she has to do, she really should get payed more. However there can be a lot of money to be made as a teacher if you teach in international schools or in Belgium (apparently the country that has the highest salaries for teachers, something like 80k).

Well my religion teacher is getting overpayed. I mean... He messed up the Hail Mary!!! :roll:

Other then him I have no say since I am to lazy to look up the average salary of teachers.

I don't know about teachers being under payed, but teachers may very well be underpaid for what they do.

*note, that I say this as a former teacher* NO, they are NOT underpaid. In life you are paid according to how easily replaceable you are (not how much work you do). Teachers, for the most part, are easy to replace. If they were not (and if, as a result, there was more competition for them), then they would be paid more. Is the job worth the money though? ...that is a totally different question...and my answer is NO BTW (hence being a former teacher)rawsavon

Not sure what it's like over your side of the Atlantic, however there's a low supply and high demand for teachers in the UK and Australia and therefore they are hard to replace (hell it's easy to secure a visa if you're a teacher - they lap you up straight away).

So yes I would say they are underpaid - pay (or rather the starting salary and prospect of annual negligible pay increases) drives many a would-be teacher away and creates a skills shortage (I've placed many an ex-teacher who've thrown the towel in). Also the fact that teachers are not paid on the quality they deliver, rather paid more in line with their tenure in the profession irks some people. And the increasing amount of red tape to muddle through adds what they feel to be an unneccasary increase in workload away from core teaching duties.

Nope, UK teachers earn just over 20k a year and headteachers earn about an extra 10k.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]*note, that I say this as a former teacher* NO, they are NOT underpaid. In life you are paid according to how easily replaceable you are (not how much work you do). Teachers, for the most part, are easy to replace. If they were not (and if, as a result, there was more competition for them), then they would be paid more. Is the job worth the money though? ...that is a totally different question...and my answer is NO BTW (hence being a former teacher)poptart

Not sure what it's like over your side of the Atlantic, however there's a low supply and high demand for teachers in the UK and Australia and therefore they are hard to replace (hell it's easy to secure a visa if you're a teacher - they lap you up straight away).

Nope, UK teachers earn just over 20k a year and headteachers earn about an extra 10k.

CBR600-RR

[QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Nope, UK teachers earn just over 20k a year and headteachers earn about an extra 10k.

rawsavon

We don't seem to think so. :P

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="CBR600-RR"]

Nope, UK teachers earn just over 20k a year and headteachers earn about an extra 10k.

CBR600-RR

We don't seem to think so. :P

[QUOTE="poptart"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]*note, that I say this as a former teacher* NO, they are NOT underpaid. In life you are paid according to how easily replaceable you are (not how much work you do). Teachers, for the most part, are easy to replace. If they were not (and if, as a result, there was more competition for them), then they would be paid more. Is the job worth the money though? ...that is a totally different question...and my answer is NO BTW (hence being a former teacher)rawsavon

Not sure what it's like over your side of the Atlantic, however there's a low supply and high demand for teachers in the UK and Australia and therefore they are hard to replace (hell it's easy to secure a visa if you're a teacher - they lap you up straight away).

Being a teacher opens many doors - top of the skiills shortage list! Get yerself over :P

EDIT: And Australia aint so bad - a couple of irks here and there, but every country has their grumbles I guess...

Not at all. With the benefits they get, not at all.

It depends onthe teacher. Some deserve more but many others don't. I'm in high school and some teachers really don't do their job well.

Teachers underpaid? I think that question is really hard to answer in general. At least in the US, I would think it would go by a state by state basis and then, of course, on an individual basis i.e. how good of a teacher are they? With so many different factors - cost of living in different areas, cost of teacher education, individual effort and talent, how nice or how volatile one district is as compared to another one - I think saying yes or no for sure is really out of a lot of people's scope.

On a more personal note, though, my mother started teaching about 17 years ago, at which point she was paid a little less than 19k a year (that was without taxes being taken out or anything). I would have to factor in inflation over the last couple of decades to be accurate, but I'd say that she was underpaid. Especially considering, a few years later, her income was the only income. The benefits are pretty good though (except no vision, but maybe that's common). She'll joke that she would have had to gotten rid of me years ago with all the hospital bills I've racked up if she hadn't had such great insurance lol. So maybe not so underpaid after all.

The way my aunt and uncle like to spend money (they're both elementary school teachers), I'd say "no."

It depends onthe teacher. Some deserve more but many others don't. I'm in high school and some teachers really don't do their job well.

ROFLCOPTER603

I think that's partially the problem. I've interviewed a fair few teachers looking to get out of the profession, and one of their main grumbles is they enter in the industry full of verve and passion, only to work with cynical older teachers who do the bare minimum and get double the amount becuase of their lengthier tenure. How good you are doesn't enter the equation unfortunately. I guess people get a better working in the private sector, where there are more resources available anyway, but state schools in the UK are generally pretty skint.

I think that depends on the teacher. IF you go up the chain in school you get paid little more from preschool or high school.

A: If you have a teacher will show up at 8 and stay till 3 when school closes and nothing more deserve to be underpaid

B: The teachers who come to school and maybe spend one day little over i think gets paid ok.

C: The teacher who care and will stay after school more then once or even few times week to even help one student out and give out there phone number/email;, tell them to teach them call them w/e the means are if they have questions then those are the teachers are most likely underpaid,..

I sure we have all ran into these types of teachers. My school was full of these teachers with the third option. It was like my school wanted nothing to do with a teacher who wasn't really there for the student best interest and not just because of a job. A teacher who was not there for the student wouldn't be back next year... not kidding, we the students know the teachers who left and stayed and the ones who didn't go out of there way wouldn't be back. Also the teachers was more connected to students then what i heave seen in other schools. All teachers was called by there first name which made it feel more connected vs last names and trying make it sound formal... My school kinda banned desk so everyone would be closer. every room had tables because they wanted the student be more close and work together. It had far more field trips then any of my other friends schools, camp outs, trips to the simple thing like a park to get out of school and have cIass. They wanted all the students to be free, open, and close to each other. Because of the way it worked. ALL students got along together. i been to 3 schools and it was Best school i been to. It was actually one of the top 3 schools in that program last year where Lame obame could choose to go to and speak. Someone else ended coming idk i graduated back in 09 and that was last year when that happen.

IF the school is is still like that by time i have kids i be happen send them there.

Yes it's a public school if anyone ask

The ones at my school are.

Techers get paid all year round here in the UK and get paid preperation time (though it's far from enough). Teachiing assistents and such don't get paid holidays though, they get paid by the hour. markop2003

They may get paid, but I think it's the cumulative salary that the other guy was referring to. I just want people to understand that the '8-10 month work year' is a myth... at least it is for me and the rest of the faculty at my college.

90% of all Americans are underpaid, so yes.

Yes. They have to put up with a lot of crap and they have one of the most important jobs in the world.

Yep. Teachers at my school can hardly pay for their own supplies.

20 dollars is worth a lot to them. I'm not sure who is in charge of these systems, but they must be stupid as hell.

all the teachers at the school I work got I-pads at the beginning of school,so NO!

Yes. They have to put up with a lot of crap and they have one of the most important jobs in the world.

Shadow4020

The pay system in my school is stupid as hell. The god damn PE teacher is getting paid more than my AP/IB Gov/History teacher just because the stupid PE teacher's been at the school for longer.Chojuto

everyone feels they are underpaid

The ones in Florida definitely are. Getting paid based how students do on standardized tests instead of the the student's grades. mrmusicman247

YES, Thats just sad, My english teacher say's they are starting that next year