[QUOTE="Tolwan"]One of the major things you are failing to realize is that great hygeine is not possible for everyone. Kids are often irresponsible and good hygeine is..out of the question for soldiers in combat. Futhermore, STD's are an issue. There people who have relationships with people with STD,s and no foreskin works in conjuction with a condom. So the two together lower your chances significantly more than just 1 or the other. There are plenty more links you can find on google or Ebsco host. Almost all medical professionals encourage Circumcision, it seems to be more just sensationalists or conspiracy theorists that think it's a bad thing. Some people just dont like the thought of removing parts of your body.
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I think you are misunderstanding... if proper hygiene techniques are taught to children then they won't have to worry about being circumcised. "Irresponsibility" is an incredibly shallow and flawed reasoning to purport circumcision as a "solution" to improper hygiene.
And soldiers are soldiers... they have a lot more to worry about than urinary tract infections... you know, death and all.
Someone with an STD should not be having sex with another person. Period. That is the only reason why STD's are still around.
"no foreskin works in conjuction with a condom" I hope someone her can refute this because that is hilarious.
From the links you posted I still cannot support circumcision over proper hygiene and safe sex (or no sex). The evidence just cannot support it enough to make it "mandatory" that we remove what nature put there. One poster said it best already... "Americans seem to have a mutilation fetish."
didnt you pay attention in sex ed. you can still get some types of STDs even if you are wearing a condom because only your skin needs to touch like. genital warts. safe sex isnt as safe as you think. the only absolutle way to garuntee that you wont get an STD is if you are abstinent FUBAR24
You said it yourself, the absolute way to prevent yourself from getting an STD is being abstinent. That and having sex with a responsible partner who cleans themselves and has themselves tested for STD's.
Let's also not mention that circumcision has nothing to do with crabs, gential warts/herpes or other related STD's... :|
How did you get circumcised? birth?Psychosisrain
Yep. Until I saw the episode of P&T I was a proponent of it as well. The benefits don't outweigh the simple solutions...They can't retort it because what i said is a direct quote from several sources i have *already* posted on the effects of circumcision in relation to reducing risk of contracting STD. You obivously dont want to debate this on a scientific stance, you just want everyone to have foreskin fun, that's your position. The fact of the matter is, most parents have their children circumcized to remove the hassle of proper hygiene, which is not as easy as you purport with concerns to foreskin. You must clean *very* thoroughly if you want to make sure you never get an infection, otherwise even if you do shower every day you maintain a risk of eventually getting an infenction or even cancer.
I could give you 100 more links, peer reviewed articles (Which are arguably among the most reliable in science), and even mail you a medical text, but i dont think you'll change your mind, because i dont think you're open minded on the subject, which is strange. I think most of us here are, because it's such an *INSIGNIFICANT* issue. Really, the safest and best bet for children is circumcision, so why not?
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