are you for or against the death penalty **DEBATE**

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]An innocent person dying in jail is not more acceptable than an innocent person being executed.

But an innocent person sitting in jail has the potential of a release if evidence proving his innocence surfaces. And that is a huge difference.

Famiking

My original point was: an innocent person being sent to death is not the end of the world. Mistakes happen.

What? It's not the end of the world, but it is reprehensible that something so avoidable happened! This is the prime reason I will never support a death penalty. Humans are too flawed to decide who lives and who dies.

What? It's not the end of the world, but it is reprehensible that something so avoidable happened! This is the prime reason I will never support a death penalty. Humans are too flawed to decide who lives and who dies.

SgtKevali

If you're against the death penalty, then you should be against long prison sentences in general. More innocent people dying there.

It's not entirely effective in dealing with crime. It's also expensive to execute and likelyhood that the victim is innocent can be devasting to families and friends and I'm aware that the victim's family and friends would also be devasted as well. Life sentencing seems reasonable and logical but I don't oppose abolishing the dealth penalty entirely. Unless someone causes terror in a county, state, or even at a national scale (for example the Metro sniper) and that there is sufficient evidence pointing out that the person is guilty, the death penalty shouldn't be used.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

No moral issues with it. In fact I see no ethical reason not to for those who've committed the most heinous of crimes. As far as efficacy goes, I am undecided. I need to have more knowledge with regards to deterrence. Cost isn't as important of an issue as deterrence.

chrisrooR

Interesting. I'll have to read through this. Are there other potentially important factors held constant, such as gun laws, and income disparity causing areas such as inner cites?

I believe if someone is a threat to law abiding citizens then I see no reason why public spending money should be used to keep him in jail.

Well, death row is certainly more expensive after some google'ing

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_average_cost_of_incarceration_per_inmate_per_year

http://www.chacha.com/question/what-is-more-expensive-to-keep-someone-in-prison-for-life-or-to-commit-them-to-the-death-sentence

Against it because of:
-Cost
-No chance for correcting a mistake

In fact, as far as i can see there is no advantage to Death penalty. So that is the final answer, right?

Definitely for it. Some people are well beyond rehabilitation, or don't deserve it.

In fact, I think we should get rid of death row. We are wasting a ton of money letting inmates sit around for 20-30 years before we finally actually sentence them to death.

Since I think this I also believe it should be restricted to special cases, like serial killings or similarly evil crimes.

I'm for it in many circumstances. Not always suitable but definitely a card that we need to keep in the deck for that special hand!

I am for the Death Penalty as if someone were to come kill all my family i would'nt want them sat in a warm prison with food and drink for 30 years then wal out to a normal life. THey should die. The only fault with the death penalty is that if the wrong person is killed, there is no reversing that. And to the guy above: who is the killer to decide who lives and dies.

I'm for it.

Definitely for it. Some people are well beyond rehabilitation, or don't deserve it.

In fact, I think we should get rid of death row. We are wasting a ton of money letting inmates sit around for 20-30 years before we finally actually sentence them to death.

Since I think this I also believe it should be restricted to special cases, like serial killings or similarly evil crimes.

Vaasman

I agree with this. Sometimes rehabilitation isn't possible. If someone murders their family with a hatchet I don't see why they should be given any chances.

Of course, I only support the death penalty when there is overwhelming evidence.

And no, it's not about revenge. I support the death penalty because those who take life cruelly and mercilessly do not have a place in a healthy and productive society.

Against.

1. The death penalty targets the poor.

2. Who are we to say someone has the right to live or die? Punishment is one thing, murder is another.

I'm all for it, hell i'm for just executing them right on the spot once convicted and is for sure the person who had killed they should be shot right in the court room. Save money and time. They don't need to be in the population.

Think of it if we were to kill everyone who murdered people would be scared to murder O_O... It's like spanking a child.(well no cause yoiu dont kill the child) xD

Murder is like what life in prison which is like what 7 years? So yes kill them.

I'm all for it, hell i'm for just executing them right on the spot once convicted and is for sure the person who had killed they should be shot right in the court room. Save money and time. They don't need to be in the population.

Think of it if we were to kill everyone who murdered people would be scared to murder O_O... It's like spanking a child.(well no cause yoiu dont kill the child) xD

Murder is like what life in prison which is like what 7 years? So yes kill them.

MrLions

Look, if you are going to murder somebody don't do it under the pretence that it is legal. It makes it far more sporting to make them battle it out with other cons in some island jungle... Maybe some sort of Death Race *mumbles*...

Against it. Death is no punishment, it is an escape from waht you ahve done. Criminals who qualify for the death sentence should be sent to rot in prision for all of their lives.

[QUOTE="MrLions"]

I'm all for it, hell i'm for just executing them right on the spot once convicted and is for sure the person who had killed they should be shot right in the court room. Save money and time. They don't need to be in the population.

Think of it if we were to kill everyone who murdered people would be scared to murder O_O... It's like spanking a child.(well no cause yoiu dont kill the child) xD

Murder is like what life in prison which is like what 7 years? So yes kill them.

Sajo7

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="MrLions"]

I'm all for it, hell i'm for just executing them right on the spot once convicted and is for sure the person who had killed they should be shot right in the court room. Save money and time. They don't need to be in the population.

Think of it if we were to kill everyone who murdered people would be scared to murder O_O... It's like spanking a child.(well no cause yoiu dont kill the child) xD

Murder is like what life in prison which is like what 7 years? So yes kill them.

Leejjohno

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] Humanity has been killing murderers for all loooooong time. Last I checked we still have murder, I don't think fear is a major issue.Sajo7

Common sense I suppose... Your average plastic gangster would probably make some kind of life on the inside of a prison... Knowing you are going to be killed by a needle full of some chemical and not knowing how painful it will be is usually not an enticing option.

What would you do?

[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="Leejjohno"] It just makes them far less likely to come in quietly. I know if I was a murderer and was almost certain to be executed I would take my chances with some sort of assault rifle.

Leejjohno

Common sense I suppose... Your average plastic gangster would probably make some kind of life on the inside of a prison... Knowing you are going to be killed by a needle full of some chemical and not knowing how painful it will be is usually not an enticing option.

What would you do?

[QUOTE="Leejjohno"]

[QUOTE="Sajo7"] What exactly are you basing this off of? Last I checked people aren't fans of life in prison. American prisons are deathtraps as it is.Sajo7

Common sense I suppose... Your average plastic gangster would probably make some kind of life on the inside of a prison... Knowing you are going to be killed by a needle full of some chemical and not knowing how painful it will be is usually not an enticing option.

What would you do?

:P there you go then... Proof that the system rewards ingenuity.

I'd rather be put to death then live an a small box the rest of my life...So, I'm against the death penalty...let them suffer a little and live in regret.

I'm against it.

1. The person could be innocent.

2. It costs waaaayyyyy too much

3. I would rather see someone rot in a cell for the rest of their life than just be killed.

Only if the person admits to it, or we have 100% proof that he did it. Other than that i just feel that we could be killing an innocent person. And IMO only Homicide and Pedophillia or the only crimes that deserve the death penalty

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="Stanley09"]I dont get how killing someone costs more than keeping them alive .....markop2003

I'm against it, killing someone does not solve anything

gamedude2020

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]No it doesn't. It's more expensive to kill some on than it is to keep them in jail for life.

BuryMe

When a punishment as strong as death is on the line, we need to be absolutely certain that they are not only guilty, but that the punishment is just for the crime, and that the trial was fair (and there is a disproportionate number of visible minorites on death row.)

You can't just go straight from civiction to the gallows.

i would say "and rape the rapers" but that would never happen. eye for an eye justice surrealnumber5

But if they're sent to prison, then they will probably get raped. Like the song "Polly" by Nirvana, about a man graping a girland sent to federal prison and being raped. As I said, karma, bee-yotch.

EDIT: That's why I said rapists shouldn't be affected by the death penalty.

[QUOTE="SgtKevali"]What? It's not the end of the world, but it is reprehensible that something so avoidable happened! This is the prime reason I will never support a death penalty. Humans are too flawed to decide who lives and who dies.

Famiking

If you're against the death penalty, then you should be against long prison sentences in general. More innocent people dying there.

No, because if somebody is found out to be innocent, they can be released, but if somebody is dead, they're dead. Pretty obvious. And those numbers are irrelevant.

1. The death penalty targets the poor.

Zorn_Ate_Thorn

[QUOTE="BuryMe"]An innocent person dying in jail is not more acceptable than an innocent person being executed.

But an innocent person sitting in jail has the potential of a release if evidence proving his innocence surfaces. And that is a huge difference.

My original point was: an innocent person being sent to death is not the end of the world. Mistakes happen.

I don't know, I'm torn because a lot of innocent people are wrongly convicted and put to death but on the other hand I think if we started publicly executed drug dealers or something there would be certain messages conveyed. Supposedly the death penalty and public execution never deterred anyone before but nowadays people are wimps, I think a few hangings or public firing squads would do the trick for some crimes.

[QUOTE="Zorn_Ate_Thorn"]

1. The death penalty targets the poor.

needled24-7

Im all for it. Some people are just better off dead.

Zerocrossings

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[QUOTE="jpph"]

bad bet.google it!!

jpph

No thanks, im going to bed. But i doubt im wrong, where are you referring to? The US? It might not be true for that one single countrty, since there are other factors that act as deterrents. Suddenly coming out and saying "We will kill all the bastards that do this." is bound to have an effect.

You are trying to downplay death penalties to make rehabilitationsound better anyway, which isnt really imo. In a nutshell, heres what i think

Death Penalty>Life Imprisonment>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rehab(lol)

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-states-without-death-penalty-have-had-consistently-lower-murder-rates

Wait arent we talking about when it was first introduced? Obviously theres gonna be a different effect oncesociety is established and other deterrents such as loss of social standing comes into play.

And states that abolished the death penalty first probably has the lowest crime rates to begin with, so it doesnt really have anything to do with the punishment being dealt out.

Any crimes against kids = death

Stealing = fingers chopped off

cheating on spouse = public whipping

you know old school rules would cure much of the crime we have today. You go to jail and eat three meals a day with cable is not much of a punishment imo and it cost alot of money.

It should totally be legal. Kill the scum. Seriously, I don't understand why some people are so against this. If you kill someone, You get killed back. Fair is fair.