Are you Pro Life?

I really hope the "pro-life" people here are against the death penalty, because that seems rather "anti-life" if you ask me. You shouldn't even be for invirtro fertilization(SP?) alot of those eggs that get fertilized never make it to baby-hood.

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

The point is you can't really argue point. I stopped arguing my "pro-life" position long ago on these forums. The best we can do really is state what OUR ideological position is, and why we believe it. But you can't go around devaluing other peoples ideologies. That doesnt do anything.

This is a simple battle of ideologies and throwing science around really isnt gonna do much since most of us know the science behind it.

SSCyborg

Yeah it does. It makes them feel either worse or better about their position, and in some instances cause them to rethink their position.

And yeah science does has a stance in this. I am sure there are people in the world that feel the way they do because of science, and if science proved something else it may cause them to change their opinion. And as you say most people know the science, but there are some who don't, in which case it would be best to just state it instead of confusing them (even though it may confuse them more)

All i'm saying is the only people whos mind you might change are those based purely off science. Say, someone is pro life because they think the baby is alive and thinking the second it's conceived. Feel free to correct them. However, i dare say most "Pro-Lifers" are people who just value that smattering collection of cells that makes up the newly formed genetic structure of a future human being. We value something you dont. Thats purely an ideological difference i believe.

All i'm saying is the only people whos mind you might change are those based purely off science. Say, someone is pro life because they think the baby is alive and thinking the second it's conceived. Feel free to correct them. However, i dare say most "Pro-Lifers" are people who just value that smattering collection of cells that makes up the newly formed genetic structure of a future human being. We value something you dont. Thats purely an ideological different i believe.

Tolwan

So for cloning, are you Pro-Life? Because that is a newly formed genetic structure of a future human being. (the newly formed part can be argued I guess. But it is formed new.)

[QUOTE="Tolwan"]

All i'm saying is the only people whos mind you might change are those based purely off science. Say, someone is pro life because they think the baby is alive and thinking the second it's conceived. Feel free to correct them. However, i dare say most "Pro-Lifers" are people who just value that smattering collection of cells that makes up the newly formed genetic structure of a future human being. We value something you dont. Thats purely an ideological different i believe.

SSCyborg

So for cloning, are you Pro-Life? Because that is a newly formed genetic structure of a future human being. (the newly formed part can be argued I guess. But it is formed new.)

Touchy issue. I dont think this has anything to do with Pro-Life. It's like asking if i'm against people that are celebate or never choose to have kids. Clones arent in the process of being born, it's an entirely different issue. It's an issue of personal identity. Do i want myself running around? And what about aborting a clone? I dont know. What if it's my clone? It's quite literally me in every sense. It has my full genetic structure. It's a real touchy and confusing issue that i have no opinion on as of this moment. I've never put much thought into it.

Can't abortions save lives? For instance this dude...

Is it considered an abortion if the baby kills the mother?

FearTheRain

I guess that would be debortion....MUA HA HA HA HA HA

I'm pro-choice.

let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?ferrari2001

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?Video_Game_King

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

[QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?ferrari2001

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?EboyLOL

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

I'm asking if the fetus is human. if he an offspring of 2 human beings. He can't be a dog or a cat can he?? only human?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?EboyLOL

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

Why do you think this thread is so large? I've spent soo much time here. :(

as for ferrari it's a bunch of cells that over time will grow into a human

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?ferrari2001

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

I'm asking if the fetus is human. if he an offspring of 2 human beings. He can't be a dog or a cat can he?? only human?

Obviously it can't be a dog or cat, but what he is saying is people have different opinions as to when a "fetus" is considered human, and like he also said, it's a debate not worth getting into.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?nickyb628

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

I'm asking if the fetus is human. if he an offspring of 2 human beings. He can't be a dog or a cat can he?? only human?

Obviously it can't be a dog or cat, but what he is saying is people have different opinions as to when a "fetus" is considered human, and like he also said, it's a debate not worth getting into.

theres no opinions it is human from conception it contains genes from both parents. the genes show that it is indeed human and nothing else.. I'm not saying person but human..

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="Video_Game_King"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?ferrari2001

Not really. It looks almost...alien...

so ur saying a cat or a dog could be growing inside the mother.. is that what ur trying to tell me?

I'm asking if the fetus is human. if he an offspring of 2 human beings. He can't be a dog or a cat can he?? only human?

What are your thoughts on abortion? Do you support it, or are you against it?

Lebbin

I didn't vote on your poll because I'm neither for or against abortion, per se. I support the right of people to exercise their own choices about their bodies and their health. That includes the right of a woman to choose to have an abortion.

Having said that, I think it is really sad when someone chooses to abort a pregnancy, even though there are sometimes very good reasons to do so.

let me ask a simple question.. Is the fetus Human?? Well?ferrari2001

Pro-Choice. Let the people decide, not the government.MattUD1

I'm neutral,though if i get a girl pregnant by accident (Which won't be happening anytime soon,if it does happen) i'll do everything in my power to make her keep it,i'll be the only one to take care of him/her if needbe.Indestructible2

Pro-Choice. Let the people decide, not the government.MattUD1

would any of you like to be aborted? sometimes i think that all the abortion "doctors" (abortion is actually against the hyppocratic oath) should have been aborted and then this argument would be solved.whipassmt

Eliminating doctors that perform abortions would not eliminate abortions. Demand for abortions is not affected by the supply of doctors available to perform it. It would mean a return to abortions performed in back alleys using wire coat hangers. The doctors who perform abortions make the process safer. Further, it is not against the hippocratic oath for a doctor to abort a fetus. The doctor is helping to ensure the health of the mother.

I'm pro-choice. It's not my place to tell someone what to do with their body and it never will be.krazykillaz

Its not their body the baby is a real person dispete what some have "claimed" They are two ppl together its like two siamese twin and one kills the other because its there "body"

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I'm pro-choice. It's not my place to tell someone what to do with their body and it never will be.the1stfandb

Its not their body the baby is a real person dispete what some have "claimed" They are two ppl together its like two siamese twin and one kills the other because its there "body"

Nope. Invalid comparison. A fetus cannot live without the mother, and is not a real person.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"]Pro-Choice. Let the people decide, not the government.whipassmt

The FACE Act only prohibits "force, threat of force or physical obstruction".

Ask me again when I grow a uterus.Sajo7

[QUOTE="the1stfandb"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I'm pro-choice. It's not my place to tell someone what to do with their body and it never will be.Engrish_Major

Its not their body the baby is a real person dispete what some have "claimed" They are two ppl together its like two siamese twin and one kills the other because its there "body"

Nope. Invalid comparison. A fetus cannot live without the mother, and is not a real person.

to be alive u must be made of one or more cells

Be able to reproduce

Consume energy

Be able to respond

Have the ablity to grow

There is more I think, but being able to really on itself is not one of them, but u can kill plants and they have all of those but plants don't become someone in fact the baby is already somone connected with the ppl around it. There are many ppl young and old that cannot rely on themselves are they aliens?

The fetus is a living child by what u just said then child can be killed after birth as well, considering a baby can't live on its own.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="the1stfandb"]

[QUOTE="krazykillaz"]I'm pro-choice. It's not my place to tell someone what to do with their body and it never will be.the1stfandb

Its not their body the baby is a real person dispete what some have "claimed" They are two ppl together its like two siamese twin and one kills the other because its there "body"

Nope. Invalid comparison. A fetus cannot live without the mother, and is not a real person.

to be alive u must be made of one or more cells

Be able to reproduce

Consume energy

Be able to respond

Have the ablity to grow

There is more I think, but being able to really on itself is not one of them, but u can kill plants and they have all of those but plants don't become someone in fact the baby is already somone connected with the ppl around it. There are many ppl young and old that cannot rely on themselves are they aliens?

The fetus is a living child by what u just said then child can be killed after birth as well, considering a baby can't live on its own.

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it was not a real person, in response to your statement.

i'm only for late term abortion.

4 words......USE A F****** CONDOM!!!!

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it was not a real person, in response to your statement.

Engrish_Major

Re-read the statement it talks about both. Question: how is it not human?

4 words......USE A F****** CONDOM!!!!

greeneye59

LOL:lol:

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it was not a real person, in response to your statement.

the1stfandb

Re-read the statement it talks about both. Question: how is it not human?

It's not human yet. In the first few weeks, it is just a ball of cells. No brain, spinal cord, etc. Less than a bug.

[QUOTE="the1stfandb"][QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

I never said it wasn't alive. I said it was not a real person, in response to your statement.

Engrish_Major

Re-read the statement it talks about both. Question: how is it not human?

It's not human yet. In the first few weeks, it is just a ball of cells. No brain, spinal cord, etc. Less than a bug.

Oh so u mean very very early, in many areas babies can be aborted after that.

After the 4th week the baby has a a brain, heart, spine etc,etc. The last one 1.4 makes me throw up