Are you Religious?

And therein lies another argument.

God CAN control men, but He doesn't WANT to. Why? Because He wants us to believe in Him willingly, not like robots. Men are held responsible for his actions. Feel free to PM me if you have any personal questions, by the way.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, what specifically contradicts it? His last words in one version and His last words in another? I have no idea what you're talking about.:?

quiglythegreat

The Bible puts emphasis on all the characteristics of God. He is loving, forgiving, JUST, PERFECT.

He is just, because He gives justice where it is due. He is perfect because sin cannot be near Him.

And I don't know of two versions of the Bible that contradict each other. Please give specific verses, or I cannot help on this matter.

And therein lies another arguement.

God CAN control men, but He doesn't WANT to. Why? Because He wants us to believe in Him willingly, not like robots. Men are held responsible for his actions. Feel free to PM me if you have any personal questions, by the way.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

And therein lies another argument.

God CAN control men, but He doesn't WANT to. Why? Because He wants us to believe in Him willingly, not like robots. Men are held responsible for his actions. Feel free to PM me if you have any personal questions, by the way.

Hewkii

Yes, God knows what will happen, however, what happens depends on our choices. For example, if a guy turns left at a crossroad he'll win a new car. If he turns right, he'll get mugged. Now, God knows what will happen either way, but He lets the man decide on his own which way to go.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, what specifically contradicts it? His last words in one version and His last words in another? I have no idea what you're talking about.:?

Silver_Dragon17

The Bible puts emphasis on all the characteristics of God. He is loving, forgiving, JUST, PERFECT.

He is just, because He gives justice where it is due. He is perfect because sin cannot be near Him.

And I don't know of two versions of the Bible that contradict each other. Please give specific verses, or I cannot help on this matter.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

And therein lies another arguement.

God CAN control men, but He doesn't WANT to. Why? Because He wants us to believe in Him willingly, not like robots. Men are held responsible for his actions. Feel free to PM me if you have any personal questions, by the way.

quiglythegreat

I understand. I hope you change your mind one day, but if not, that is your choice. Feel free to PM me whenever you'd like.

Now, back to the argument. What do you mean something that is God's choice? I am confused by that part.

Yes, God knows what will happen, however, what happens depends on our choices. For example, if a guy turns left at a crossroad he'll win a new car. If he turns right, he'll get mugged. Now, God knows what will happen either way, but He lets the man decide on his own which way to go.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, what specifically contradicts it? His last words in one version and His last words in another? I have no idea what you're talking about.:?

quiglythegreat

The Bible puts emphasis on all the characteristics of God. He is loving, forgiving, JUST, PERFECT.

He is just, because He gives justice where it is due. He is perfect because sin cannot be near Him.

And I don't know of two versions of the Bible that contradict each other. Please give specific verses, or I cannot help on this matter.

How has Hell been described to you? Just curious.

What do you mean something that is God's choice? I am confused by that part.

Silver_Dragon17

How has Hell been described to you? Just curious.

Silver_Dragon17

No....I'm not religious....religion is nothing more than away to control the masses.......do I have faith that there is more to this world than science can explain?...absolutely.....

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, what specifically contradicts it? His last words in one version and His last words in another? I have no idea what you're talking about.:?

Silver_Dragon17

The Bible puts emphasis on all the characteristics of God. He is loving, forgiving, JUST, PERFECT.

He is just, because He gives justice where it is due. He is perfect because sin cannot be near Him.

And I don't know of two versions of the Bible that contradict each other. Please give specific verses, or I cannot help on this matter.

 Could be the fact that in the Old testament, God is vengefull and sets up hundreds of laws. he then says anyone thats not a Jew can't have happiness in the after life, and any Jews that do break those laws can't either.

Then in the New testament, God is loving and forgiving and will accpet anyone into his heaven.

I've just always thought that if God is perfect and omnipotent, then any law he made would be just and fair, so him going back and changing it kind of invalidates his power, in my mind anyways.

On a side note, this is my first post in like 6 or 7 months. =] 

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes, God knows what will happen, however, what happens depends on our choices. For example, if a guy turns left at a crossroad he'll win a new car. If he turns right, he'll get mugged. Now, God knows what will happen either way, but He lets the man decide on his own which way to go.

Hewkii

Yes. And now let me add on to the story.

The man knows what will happen. He was told that if he turns left, he'll win a new car, and if right, he'll be mugged. But he doesn't believe the one who told him. So, he takes right, thinking it will be a shortcut. But then he gets mugged, just like he was warned. God lets it happen because we choose for it to happen. Are you getting me, or is this not making sense? Cause I'm getting tired.

Yes. And now let me add on to the story.

The man knows what will happen. He was told that if he turns left, he'll win a new car, and if right, he'll be mugged. But he doesn't believe the one who told him. So, he takes right, thinking it will be a shortcut. But then he gets mugged, just like he was warned. God lets it happen because we choose for it to happen. Are you getting me, or is this not making sense? Cause I'm getting tired.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

How has Hell been described to you? Just curious.

quiglythegreat

That's pretty much it. However, I just would like to point out a couple of things.

People go to heaven or hell because they are or are not forgiven, not because of works. BUT in Heaven, say a believer only prayed to God for "afterlife insurance". God will not let that believer enjoy all of the gifts of Heaven. That's not to say Heaven will be a bad place, but the man will experiance great loss.

Hell is the same. There are varying degrees of punishment in Hell. If a good person is sent to Hell, he will not have the same time as say, Hitler But that doesn't at all mean Hell will be a good place.

No....I'm not religious....religion is nothing more than away to control the masses.......do I have faith that there is more to this world than science can explain?...absolutely.....

Omni-Slash

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Yes. And now let me add on to the story.

The man knows what will happen. He was told that if he turns left, he'll win a new car, and if right, he'll be mugged. But he doesn't believe the one who told him. So, he takes right, thinking it will be a shortcut. But then he gets mugged, just like he was warned. God lets it happen because we choose for it to happen. Are you getting me, or is this not making sense? Cause I'm getting tired.

Hewkii

No, both God and the man know. Sinse God does not interfere with the man's choices, the man gets mugged. They both knew what would happen, but it was the man who chose what would happen.

Never knew you weren't religious... Greatgone12

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, what specifically contradicts it? His last words in one version and His last words in another? I have no idea what you're talking about.:?

fattony173

The Bible puts emphasis on all the characteristics of God. He is loving, forgiving, JUST, PERFECT.

He is just, because He gives justice where it is due. He is perfect because sin cannot be near Him.

And I don't know of two versions of the Bible that contradict each other. Please give specific verses, or I cannot help on this matter.

 Could be the fact that in the Old testament, God is vengefull and sets up hundreds of laws. he then says anyone thats not a Jew can't have happiness in the after life, and any Jews that do break those laws can't either.

Then in the New testament, God is loving and forgiving and will accpet anyone into his heaven.

I've just always thought that if God is perfect and omnipotent, then any law he made would be just and fair, so him going back and changing it kind of invalidates his power, in my mind anyways.

On a side note, this is my first post in like 6 or 7 months. =] 

In the OT, God did not have a way of permanently forgiving sinners. So, He punished them. But in the NT, Jesus became His way of forgiving sinners. And God did not have to punish anybody anymore, because He could just forgive them, if they asked.

[QUOTE="Greatgone12"]Never knew you weren't religious... Omni-Slash

No, both God and the man know. Sinse God does not interfere with the man's choices, the man gets mugged. They both knew what would happen, but it was the man who chose what would happen.

Silver_Dragon17

So, you do explain God changing some of his own rules?

In the old testament you can't eat all these different animals, but the new testament, all the animals on earth are fair game.

That's the way it goes as far as i believe. 

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, both God and the man know. Sinse God does not interfere with the man's choices, the man gets mugged. They both knew what would happen, but it was the man who chose what would happen.

Hewkii

Then the story does not relate to how real life is.

You know good and well the way Christianity goes, no? You don't believe in it for whatever reason, and that is your choice, but you know what your fate is should you be wrong. In this case, you are the man. Which way will you go?

So, you do explain God changing some of his own rules?

 

In the old testament you can't eat all these different animals, but the new testament, all the animals on earth are fair game.

 

That's the way it goes as far as i believe. 

fattony173

Huh? Jews still don't eat pork today. . .

Then the story does not relate to how real life is.

You know good and well the way Christianity goes, no? You don't believe in it for whatever reason, and that is your choice, but you know what your fate is should you be wrong. In this case, you are the man. Which way will you go?

Silver_Dragon17

I know this. Thats because the Old Testament is the Jewish Holybook, and they don't belive in the New testament. Therefore, they still abide by the laws establish in the old testament.

 However, Christians don't have to abide by all the laws in the OT, because God changed them. What I'm saying is, if there is a perfect God, then how could he make a law that needed to be changed.

If God is perfect, every law he makes should be just, fair, and right. So how can he go back and change his own law? That means the old law was not correct, meaning God was wrong.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, both God and the man know. Sinse God does not interfere with the man's choices, the man gets mugged. They both knew what would happen, but it was the man who chose what would happen.

Silver_Dragon17

Then the story does not relate to how real life is.

You know good and well the way Christianity goes, no? You don't believe in it for whatever reason, and that is your choice, but you know what your fate is should you be wrong. In this case, you are the man. Which way will you go?

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

Then the story does not relate to how real life is.

You know good and well the way Christianity goes, no? You don't believe in it for whatever reason, and that is your choice, but you know what your fate is should you be wrong. In this case, you are the man. Which way will you go?

Hewkii

And that is your choice. Here's hoping you don't get mugged.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

No, both God and the man know. Sinse God does not interfere with the man's choices, the man gets mugged. They both knew what would happen, but it was the man who chose what would happen.

quiglythegreat

Then the story does not relate to how real life is.

You know good and well the way Christianity goes, no? You don't believe in it for whatever reason, and that is your choice, but you know what your fate is should you be wrong. In this case, you are the man. Which way will you go?

But what if you are wrong? Consider that for a minute. You won't be able to plead ignorance, because you knew from the very start of this conversation what would happen IF you were wrong. So where does that leave you? In the car, turning right.

I know this. Thats because the Old Testament is the Jewish Holybook, and they don't belive in the New testament. Therefore, they still abide by the laws establish in the old testament.

 However, Christians don't have to abide by all the laws in the OT, because God changed them. What I'm saying is, if there is a perfect God, then how could he make a law that needed to be changed.

 

If God is perfect, every law he makes should be just, fair, and right. So how can he go back and change his own law? That means the old law was not correct, meaning God was wrong.

fattony173

What laws are these? Christians don't but Jews do. Christians and Jews are two different religions.

And God changed the old laws because of Jesus' sacrifise. That was all God needed. There was no more need for things like "Don't eat this and that, or you'll go to Hell" because now all anybody has to do is pray for forgiveness.

But what if you are wrong? Consider that for a minute. You won't be able to plead ignorance, because you knew from the very start of this conversation what would happen IF you were wrong. So where does that leave you? In the car, turning right.

Silver_Dragon17

There are so many things that stop us in life and so many problems we have to overcome, and we have most of them, if god was real he would not do this, and if he is, he is evil for the fact he has put us through so much pain and suffering, quit thanking god for the hard work of others. we have figured out the majority of our problems with science, but you religious fanatics keep thinking this magic man in the sky is controlling everything, and give him the credit for everything, he has not zapped me yet for not believing in him.mark4091

There are so many things that stop us in life and so many problems we have to overcome, and we have most of them, if god was real he would not do this, and if he is, he is evil for the fact he has put us through so much pain and suffering, quit thanking god for the hard work of others. we have figured out the majority of our problems with science, but you religious fanatics keep thinking this magic man in the sky is controlling everything, and give him the credit for everything, he has not zapped me yet for not believing in him.mark4091

Please read the messages in the topic, and quit insulting me and other religios people.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

But what if you are wrong? Consider that for a minute. You won't be able to plead ignorance, because you knew from the very start of this conversation what would happen IF you were wrong. So where does that leave you? In the car, turning right.

quiglythegreat

I'm not trying to scare you into believing in God. It is your choice, and I respect that. I hope for your sake that there is no Hell, but I will continue believing in one. I'm going to bed now. Good night.

But what if you are wrong? Consider that for a minute. You won't be able to plead ignorance, because you knew from the very start of this conversation what would happen IF you were wrong. So where does that leave you? In the car, turning right.

Silver_Dragon17

I'm not trying to scare you into believing in God. It is your choice, and I respect that. I hope for your sake that there is no Hell, but I will continue believing in one. I'm going to bed now. Good night.

Silver_Dragon17

[QUOTE="mark4091"]There are so many things that stop us in life and so many problems we have to overcome, and we have most of them, if god was real he would not do this, and if he is, he is evil for the fact he has put us through so much pain and suffering, quit thanking god for the hard work of others. we have figured out the majority of our problems with science, but you religious fanatics keep thinking this magic man in the sky is controlling everything, and give him the credit for everything, he has not zapped me yet for not believing in him.Silver_Dragon17

Please read the messages in the topic, and quit insulting me and other religios people.

I have, God is far from all powerful if he exists, he cannot even show his face to his subjects or control them in any way, he even lets sick people be priests and ministers, quit giving him credit for the acomplishments of others

You also do such a good job of not paying attention to quite a few good posters here.

The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C. This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water .MFaraz_Hayat

read this one.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

But what if you are wrong? Consider that for a minute. You won't be able to plead ignorance, because you knew from the very start of this conversation what would happen IF you were wrong. So where does that leave you? In the car, turning right.

quiglythegreat

I'm not trying to scare you into believing in God. It is your choice, and I respect that. I hope for your sake that there is no Hell, but I will continue believing in one. I'm going to bed now. Good night.

Silver_Dragon17

I know it sounds like it, but I'm not.

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"]The Biblical description of the flood in Genesis chapter 6, 7 and 8 indicates that the deluge was universal and it destroyed every living thing on earth, except those present with Noah (pbuh) in the ark. The description suggests that the event took place 1656 years after the creation of Adam (pbuh) or 292 years before the birth of Abraham, at a time when Noah (pbuh) was 600 years old. Thus the flood may have occurred in the 21st or 22nd Century B.C. This story of the flood, as given in the Bible, contradicts scientific evidence from archaelogical sources which indicate that the eleventh dynasty in Egypt and the third dynasty in Babylonia were in existence without any break in civilisation and in a manner totally unaffected by any major calamity which may have occurred in the 21st century B.C. This contradicts the Biblical story that the whole world had been immersed in the flood water .mark4091

read this one.

The years he mentions are estimates, it is unknown exactly when the Flood occured. Also, the Flood is mentioned in other societies, like the Syrians for example. It is also still not a contradiction in the Bible, but a contradiction between what the Bible says and what MIGHT be history.

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="mark4091"]There are so many things that stop us in life and so many problems we have to overcome, and we have most of them, if god was real he would not do this, and if he is, he is evil for the fact he has put us through so much pain and suffering, quit thanking god for the hard work of others. we have figured out the majority of our problems with science, but you religious fanatics keep thinking this magic man in the sky is controlling everything, and give him the credit for everything, he has not zapped me yet for not believing in him.mark4091

Please read the messages in the topic, and quit insulting me and other religios people.

I have, God is far from all powerful if he exists, he cannot even show his face to his subjects or control them in any way, he even lets sick people be priests and ministers, quit giving him credit for the acomplishments of others

You also do such a good job of not paying attention to quite a few good posters here.

Oh? Which posts are these?

God doesn't show His face to people because He does not WANT to.

He doesn't control them because He does not WANT to.

Where did I give Him credit for the accomplishments of others? Even though He does deserve the credit, not one post in this topic does anything like that, so you are making an assumption.

[QUOTE="--MERCENARY--"]This is the first thread I made >_>foxhound_fox

Please...stop...complaining...

And no, I'm not religious.