Are you religious? Let's discuss..

[QUOTE="acsam12304"][QUOTE="Stanley09"] What about everyone else in the world who is far poorer than you are? Where is god for them? Ive also read that huge amounts of DMT are released from the brain at the time of death, which I think is why many people say they saw jesus walking toward them or whateverStanley09

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umm theres a thing called missionaries that goes out and build churches and house the children that are living in 3rd worlds counties. there are Christan foundations that gathers money to give to the poor kids and families in 3rd world counties along with other none religious foundations that goes out there and bring food and help build shelters. a lot of them pary in hopes some kind of help comes to them.and you do know A LOT of missionaries goes to those country with very little money with no protection from the bandits that are out there that kill any person with out a second thought. and they manage to make it through build shelters and feed the kids and school them. and you know what a lot of the kids and famlies thanks God for bring them the help and listing to there prayers
and oh shut up about how the brain releases amount of DMT key words that you said "I think". maybe they did saw Jesus what it is to hard to believe that they did that you think there has to a explanation for it? so your calling my mom a liar and shes making something up!?im sorry but onceyour dead your dead. you cannt get out of your body and see everything perfecty seeing your self laying in the hospital bed or any where else and call that your brain giving off this ammount of chemicals that makes no sence what so ever. either your dead or you come manage to come back. and alot of people always clam the same thing they saw life after death, they saw there family memeber that past away talk to them, the saw God they saw Heaven, they saw darkness, the saw death etc. if you look at it they all end up with the same kind of story.acsam12304

Well besides your so called visions there is no proof in godStanley09

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] Well besides your so called visions there is no proof in godVandalvideo

Shouldn't the proof make itself obvious to other people?

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"] There are also many charities such as red cross, yes. But there are still far more people living in suffering in the world. And that is what Im saying, DMT is likely responsible for many of these visions. btw can you type a little more clearly? Its rather hard to make out what you'r trying to sayStanley09

ok good for you heres a cookie happy now?

one of us is right one of us is wrong, but we will never know untill we are dead now would we?

1. That's not called common sense it's called science. Common sense and science are not the same thing.

2. Prove to me that the decimal exist during the time when the it was written and the writer itself was aware of it. I said it was an estimate, as in round it to the nearest number estimate we do this in math ****all the time.

3.Then prove it. You keep telling others to prove it, now prove yours.

alexside1

I'm not religious at all. Religious texts, holy books, gospels, gods, prophets, angels, devils, ghosts, spirits, paranormal, supernatural, afterlife, prayer.... no, those are not my thing.

Yes, devout Muslim.

PI is not an exact number as i've heard...Blaminator1221

Pi is absolutely an exact number. Take a circle, divide its circumference by its diameter, and you have pi. That's what pi is. It just so happens to be an irrational number, however, which means it cannot be expressed in a finite numeric form. But it's definitely one single, specific, exact number.

1. Science has never been able to prove the scriptures wrong.
2. Also, all the scientific principles in the scriptures hold true today as back then.
3. There is absolutely a God, and he had a son, Jesus Christ.wiifan001

No, far from it. If you have actually read the Bible, it speaks of many scientific and historical absurdities. For example:

These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. 11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth." (Daniel 4:10)

How could this tree be visible to the ends of the Earth when our planet is spherical? Didn't God notice this mistake when he wrote the Bible?

"The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a split hoof; it is unclean for you." (Levi 11:16) Rabbits, are lagomorphs, not ruminants; they do not chew the cud. How could God overlook such a fault when writing the scriptures?

atheisim is a religionsuperdum2

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] Sure there are, not debating that, but it's impossible to put up every single religion in the world, but I guess he could have put an "other" column. However in the end it really doesn't matter as this thread will be history in a few days time!ferrari2001

I'd think I'd be safe to say that in overall population there are proably more buddiststhen muslims. Due to the ridicoulous poplulation of asia, and low population of the Middle east and north Africa.

Church of England but I find Christianity (and all other religions) about as believable as American Wrestling.

Ultimately as an atheist i wouldnt have any problems with religions if they didnt influence society so much in a negative way.

I turn on tv, only fundamentalists voices are heard , and explosions. i put the volume down and its other religious lunatics protesting at gay funeral .

I log online its flag burning and hate mongering and threats and fatwa and book burning.

I say they are stupid and U.N comes up with a law to put me in jail for saying they are all stupid.

Yeah i really dont wanna give a damm about religion, and people should just keep it to themselves.

But they dont, and they make sure i feel oppressed about it , so if im gona get stepped on and oppressed i aint gona go without standing for what is right.

Ill defend a good person if its the right thing to do no matter what religion that person is from, but ill condem any person no matter what religion they are from if they do something bad.

And ill criticize religion because it is in the human nature to ask questions and a human right to do so.

Not anymore.

Alright, so recently I have gotten quite fed up with religion. Let me start off, I'm personally an Agnostic - I don't believe in a certain religion, but due to the complexity and intelectually of this world, I'm open to the possibility of there being some kind of a higher being. The reason why I've gotten so fed up lately is that I've noticed that several of my friends are in fact religious.

Now, I don't really have a problem with religious people in general, although I do think it is silly for someone to believe in something written in a book which is supposedly 2000 years old. My problem, is when people "religionize" their lives. This is when someone let their religion control their way of being and dictate certain aspects of their lives, such as nutrition (this is the case for many muslims and jews). At each party, my friend has been looking at me and my other friends with envy whenever we have been consuming alcohol. He has told me that he does indeed want to try it, but that he can't because of his religion. Now, I'm not defending alcohol or drugs, but I do think that it is a shame when people are held back from being who they want and doing what they want, because of religion. There are of course people, who are not like this at all. In fact, sometimes, religion can cause people to not care about being a good person - as it gives them the possibillity to just repent after every "sin" they've commited.

In my opinion, everyone was born an atheist/agnostic. You might state that many people "need" religion, but by saying this you basically say that people who don't have a religious inherit some kind of superiority. I don't think non-religious people are more intelligent than religious people, as I believe that 90% of religious people are religious only because their parents taught them to be. Very few people discover religion as a grown up. Basically, I think religion is a false need given to people by their parents (in the vast majority of cases), and being a need (something you couldn't do without) it makes you weaker.

There are of course other aspects of religion as well, many of which I'd describe as being very dark. I went to a christian junior high school myself, so I have witnessed for 3 years of my life what religion can potentially do to people. Religion has worked as a tool of control and segregation since the beginning - it is the reason for tons of wars and an awful lot of blood has been shed in the name of religion. This still happens today, and i honestly cannot conceive of how anyone would willingly associate themselves with something that is the cause of so much despair. Another thing I noticed, going to that school, was that the people there did indeed have a feeling of superiority. I was looked down upon as if I was a bad person, due to the fact that I was not religious.

Then you have the problem related to religious discussions, or criticizing religions - it is just not accepted among many religious people. Personally, I find it incredibly silly to believe in an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches your every move. In fact, I find it unreasonable for people to expect me to fully understand and respect that they believe in such things. I would not expect them to be able to hold a straight face either, had I told them that I believe in an invisible unicorn that follows me around all the time. Before you ask - yes, these two things are just as silly.

Now, even if you do happen to believe in God, and believe that the stories in The Bible or The Quran are true, then I'm fine with that. However, I find it disturbing when people choose to actually worship the people/someone written about in such a book. Call me disrespectful as much as you want, but I do find it hard to accept that people believe in Noahs ArK and such stories like the one about Jesus rising up from the grave. I cannot help but think of it as anything but a clear sign of ignorance. Religion seems like an easy answer to it all - it makes people less curious about the actual origin of life (as I do not believe in the one described in The Bible), and thus holds the human race back from evolving - not to mention all the wars and violence it is constantly causing.

So, what do you people think, OT? Am I being unreasonable? What's your answer to religion? It would be nice if we could get a little discussion going here.

escapeoftheape

I believe that there is some superior being out there, but that's about it.

I was raised catholic, but i wouldn't call myself a catholic anymore.

Born an unbeliever, but my parents ended up being Christians and I followed suit out of my own choice. My faith is in God and Jesus, but I have a very cynical attitude toward people in general mainly due to their hypocrisy and irrationality. I still have a long ways to go in this walk with God, but I'm getting along and starting to trust God better. People may be messed up, but that's the dysfunctional world we live and there will be a time at the end where it's all going to be fixed. In the mean time, Jesus gave us a command to go out and spread the good news to those who wish to hear. Contrary to popular beliefs, I am not a Bible thumping, theocratic Tea Party nut job because I firmly believe that the Church should stay out of politics and politics stay out of the church. In other words, I believe in Seperation of Church and State with the guarantee of Religious Freedom is the policy that benefits Christianity the most. I do hold the Bible to be God inspired, but I also try to reconcile God with science. After all, faith may be blind, but it's certainly not illogical enough to not justify it.hiphops_savior

so do i. :)

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]...so yeah its good that my religion tells me that its not right to drink alcohol... chandu83

You needed religion to tell you that its not good to get drunk? Wow...guess better keep reading the bible in that case. Seeing how you need it to validate everything.

Just let those who are religious live their life and you live yours.MrBlazing_S

it doesnt, it doesnt stablish it directly, anything else is just assumptions...lightleggy

[QUOTE="MrBlazing_S"]Just let those who are religious live their life and you live yours.SteveTabernacle

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]it doesnt, it doesnt stablish it directly, anything else is just assumptions...SteveTabernacle

ehm...you do know that no one actually knows what hitler exactly thought about religion right? he just used the "im christian!" cover to gain more followers...hitler would one day say that he liked cheesy burritos and next day he could say that he had always hated them...it was everyday's life for hitler to contradict himself...a good method if you want your figure to remain shrouded in misterylightleggy

How about this:

most religions base their faith and knowledge on books from an era where "99%" of the world population couldnt read or write.

The only schools around were religious schools. and they taught earth was flat.

And yet people nowadays believe in these books and base their lives around it and commit horrible acts because of it..... why?

its a huge gap from taking advice on quantum physics from a scientist, and taking advice on quantum physics from a cashier at a grocery store that never read a book and cant write his or her own name.

Another problem with the bible is that it says you must always obey the laws of the land. hmm.. that seems like it was written by someone in power looking to keep control. What about slavery? gotta follow that too? So its okay to smoke cigarettes and not marijuana according to god?Stanley09

The bible also states that Jesus Brought About a new Covenant , abolishing the old rule which was by actions, and that new covenant said that the righteous would live by faith. So if the old rule and laws were abolished, then so too would some of the old laws. Do not take one phrase out of context, for there was much more and it was a very time, and age specific connotation.

How about this:

most religions base their faith and knowledge on books from an era where "99%" of the world population couldnt read or write.

The only schools around were religious schools. and they taught earth was flat.

And yet people nowadays believe in these books and base their lives around it and commit horrible acts because of it..... why?

its a huge gap from taking advice on quantum physics from a scientist, and taking advice on quantum physics from a cashier at a grocery store that never read a book and cant write his or her own name.

grokh

Religion should not be based on any book or peice of Paper, but on a different writing element, and that platform is one of Lives, and changed souls.

what bad survey options.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]Another problem with the bible is that it says you must always obey the laws of the land. hmm.. that seems like it was written by someone in power looking to keep control. What about slavery? gotta follow that too? So its okay to smoke cigarettes and not marijuana according to god?daleerin24

The bible also states that Jesus Brought About a new Covenant , abolishing the old rule which was by actions, and that new covenant said that the righteous would live by faith. So if the old rule and laws were abolished, then so too would some of the old laws. Do not take one phrase out of context, for there was much more and it was a very time, and age specific connotation.

The bible also says snakes can talk.

And whose to say what is righteous faith when there are so many around.

People say about holy books : "its all open to interpretation" . but alot of people say its pure truth.

So what if everyone is taking it out of context? then there is no way anyone can discuss it. Because each one will interpret their own way and thats how holy wars happen.

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[QUOTE="Stanley09"]Another problem with the bible is that it says you must always obey the laws of the land. hmm.. that seems like it was written by someone in power looking to keep control. What about slavery? gotta follow that too? So its okay to smoke cigarettes and not marijuana according to god?grokh

The bible also states that Jesus Brought About a new Covenant , abolishing the old rule which was by actions, and that new covenant said that the righteous would live by faith. So if the old rule and laws were abolished, then so too would some of the old laws. Do not take one phrase out of context, for there was much more and it was a very time, and age specific connotation.

The bible also says snakes can talk.

And whose to say what is righteous faith when there are so many around.

People say about holy books : "its all open to interpretation" . but alot of people say its pure truth.

So what if everyone is taking it out of context? then there is no way anyone can discuss it. Because each one will interpret their own way and thats how holy wars happen.

And who are we to make judgments on anothers faith, save that all should be through Love?

[QUOTE="grokh"]

How about this:

most religions base their faith and knowledge on books from an era where "99%" of the world population couldnt read or write.

The only schools around were religious schools. and they taught earth was flat.

And yet people nowadays believe in these books and base their lives around it and commit horrible acts because of it..... why?

its a huge gap from taking advice on quantum physics from a scientist, and taking advice on quantum physics from a cashier at a grocery store that never read a book and cant write his or her own name.

daleerin24

Religion should not be based on any book or peice of Paper, but on a different writing element, and that platform is one of Lives, and changed souls.

Ok tell that to the catholic church and everyone doing horrible things in the name of religion since.. forever.

[QUOTE="daleerin24"]

[QUOTE="grokh"]

How about this:

most religions base their faith and knowledge on books from an era where "99%" of the world population couldnt read or write.

The only schools around were religious schools. and they taught earth was flat.

And yet people nowadays believe in these books and base their lives around it and commit horrible acts because of it..... why?

its a huge gap from taking advice on quantum physics from a scientist, and taking advice on quantum physics from a cashier at a grocery store that never read a book and cant write his or her own name.

grokh

Religion should not be based on any book or peice of Paper, but on a different writing element, and that platform is one of Lives, and changed souls.

Ok tell that to the catholic church and everyone doing horrible things in the name of religion since.. forever.

One of the many reasons I do not believe in Religion, save that my Faith is through the Spriit and in that , there is now no Condemnation.

[QUOTE="grokh"]

[QUOTE="daleerin24"]

The bible also states that Jesus Brought About a new Covenant , abolishing the old rule which was by actions, and that new covenant said that the righteous would live by faith. So if the old rule and laws were abolished, then so too would some of the old laws. Do not take one phrase out of context, for there was much more and it was a very time, and age specific connotation.

daleerin24

The bible also says snakes can talk.

And whose to say what is righteous faith when there are so many around.

People say about holy books : "its all open to interpretation" . but alot of people say its pure truth.

So what if everyone is taking it out of context? then there is no way anyone can discuss it. Because each one will interpret their own way and thats how holy wars happen.

And who are we to make judgments on anothers faith, save that all should be through Love?

Yeah see i cant debate with you because you seem liek a loving person who chooses love and understanding.

But thats not the case with everyone, where you say love and understanding, others will say "convert or die" and thats why we are having the religious discussion in the first place.

if all religious ppl did was try to hug me i could go on with my life and just be annoyed.

But they dont, reality is not roses and hugs.

Its a good thing you seem to be trying to live by it. But people die everyday because of religion , you cant just say it should be love and expect people to agree and silence themselves.

Some will say it will only be love once you convert to their religions. so we go back into a vicious circle of interpretations where a guy working hard to buy a gift for his children for xmax gets blown off by some fundamentalist.

Or a gay kid kills himself because "god is against gays".