Are you religious? Let's discuss..

[QUOTE="UT_Wrestler"][QUOTE="Bluestorm-Kalas"] WTF is your avatar? It's not even that I know or hate the guy in it, but all I know is I want it dead.

Bluestorm-Kalas

I have his avy adblocked for some reason so I don't remember what it looks like

I thought I read out of the bible that he brought man into this world? It never mentioned humans evolving from anything...Stanley09

A fact which the Bible omits is somehow contradictory to it? Interesting, but I don't agree. Assuming God created the universe and set in motion the process to create humanity, (i.e. evolution) God would most certainly have deliberately brought humanity into the world.

What about all the crazy stuff, like so far Ive read that adam lived to nearly 1000, and all about noahs big ass ship. Do you really believe this all happened?Stanley09

KEEP READING it will explain everything you cant just read like a few pages and then ask ok WHERES the answers. read the whole book, everything has a reason as to why it happened and i dont think you made it to Noah yet. what happened in between all that and why. who is Kane and what did he do?

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]What about all the crazy stuff, like so far Ive read that adam lived to nearly 1000, and all about noahs big ass ship. Do you really believe this all happened?acsam12304

KEEP READING it will explain everything you cant just read like a few pages and then ask ok WHERES the answers. read the whole book, everything has a reason as to why it happened and i dont think you made it to Noah yet. what happened in between all that and why. who is Kane and what did he do?

Alright, so recently I have gotten quite fed up with religion. Let me start off, I'm personally an Agnostic - I don't believe in a certain religion, but due to the complexity and intelectually of this world, I'm open to the possibility of there being some kind of a higher being. The reason why I've gotten so fed up lately is that I've noticed that several of my friends are in fact religious.

Now, I don't really have a problem with religious people in general, although I do think it is silly for someone to believe in something written in a book which is supposedly 2000 years old. My problem, is when people "religionize" their lives. This is when someone let their religion control their way of being and dictate certain aspects of their lives, such as nutrition (this is the case for many muslims and jews). At each party, my friend has been looking at me and my other friends with envy whenever we have been consuming alcohol. He has told me that he does indeed want to try it, but that he can't because of his religion. Now, I'm not defending alcohol or drugs, but I do think that it is a shame when people are held back from being who they want and doing what they want, because of religion. There are of course people, who are not like this at all. In fact, sometimes, religion can cause people to not care about being a good person - as it gives them the possibillity to just repent after every "sin" they've commited.

In my opinion, everyone was born an atheist/agnostic. You might state that many people "need" religion, but by saying this you basically say that people who don't have a religious inherit some kind of superiority. I don't think non-religious people are more intelligent than religious people, as I believe that 90% of religious people are religious only because their parents taught them to be. Very few people discover religion as a grown up. Basically, I think religion is a false need given to people by their parents (in the vast majority of cases), and being a need (something you couldn't do without) it makes you weaker.

There are of course other aspects of religion as well, many of which I'd describe as being very dark. I went to a christian junior high school myself, so I have witnessed for 3 years of my life what religion can potentially do to people. Religion has worked as a tool of control and segregation since the beginning - it is the reason for tons of wars and an awful lot of blood has been shed in the name of religion. This still happens today, and i honestly cannot conceive of how anyone would willingly associate themselves with something that is the cause of so much despair. Another thing I noticed, going to that school, was that the people there did indeed have a feeling of superiority. I was looked down upon as if I was a bad person, due to the fact that I was not religious.

Then you have the problem related to religious discussions, or criticizing religions - it is just not accepted among many religious people. Personally, I find it incredibly silly to believe in an invisible man who lives in the sky and watches your every move. In fact, I find it unreasonable for people to expect me to fully understand and respect that they believe in such things. I would not expect them to be able to hold a straight face either, had I told them that I believe in an invisible unicorn that follows me around all the time. Before you ask - yes, these two things are just as silly.

Now, even if you do happen to believe in God, and believe that the stories in The Bible or The Quran are true, then I'm fine with that. However, I find it disturbing when people choose to actually worship the people/someone written about in such a book. Call me disrespectful as much as you want, but I do find it hard to accept that people believe in Noahs ArK and such stories like the one about Jesus rising up from the grave. I cannot help but think of it as anything but a clear sign of ignorance. Religion seems like an easy answer to it all - it makes people less curious about the actual origin of life (as I do not believe in the one described in The Bible), and thus holds the human race back from evolving - not to mention all the wars and violence it is constantly causing.

So, what do you people think, OT? Am I being unreasonable? What's your answer to religion? It would be nice if we could get a little discussion going here.

escapeoftheape

i think you have ignorance becuase you just start another thread that been posted MANY times over and over here in the OT forums.

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]What about all the crazy stuff, like so far Ive read that adam lived to nearly 1000, and all about noahs big ass ship. Do you really believe this all happened?Stanley09

KEEP READING it will explain everything you cant just read like a few pages and then ask ok WHERES the answers. read the whole book, everything has a reason as to why it happened and i dont think you made it to Noah yet. what happened in between all that and why. who is Kane and what did he do?

why? why did Cain killed Abel?

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

KEEP READING it will explain everything you cant just read like a few pages and then ask ok WHERES the answers. read the whole book, everything has a reason as to why it happened and i dont think you made it to Noah yet. what happened in between all that and why. who is Kane and what did he do?

acsam12304

why? why did Cain killed Abel?

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] Cain? Cain killed Abel, his brother. They were the sons of adamStanley09

why? why did Cain killed Abel?

and wanted that something from who? and why Abel got it and not Cain?

my point is that you cant just go and say God this and Bible that if you never read it your self and just state facts everyone in the whole world knows. what kind of facts? Noah's Ark every knows about Jesus rose from the death etc... read the Bible first then make you arguments

and you know what the most famous Atheist even studied the Bible so they can have a better understanding as to why people follows the Bible and God.

i think you have ignorance becuase you just start another thread that been posted MANY times over and over here in the OT forums.

acsam12304

I don't think starting a thread which has been made several times before in OT is what determines ones ignorance. The fact that i took the time to start this thread in order to discuss this subject, just proves that I am eager to hear other people opinions and learn more.

I'm an Agnostic Atheist.

[QUOTE="Necrifer"]

You can only be Christian, Muslim, Agnostic or Atheist? Do other religions not exist?

ferrari2001

.. If we wanted to get technical, there are far more people of other smaller religions then Atheists or Agnostic.. So no thats not the "massive majority"..

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

why? why did Cain killed Abel?

acsam12304

and wanted that something from who? and why Abel got it and not Cain?

my point is that you cant just go and say God this and Bible that if you never read it your self and just state facts everyone in the whole world knows. what kind of facts? Noah's Ark every knows about Jesus rose from the death etc... read the Bible first then make you arguments

and you know what the most famous Atheist even studied the Bible so they can have a better understanding as to why people follows the Bible and God.

I consider myself a Christian. Most Christians would probably disagree. So take anything I say with a grain of salt. :P

I do sympathize a great deal with what you have to say, though, TC. I think a whole lot of religious people have missed the whole point, and have gotten way too caught up in rules and fears that do nothing towards fostering a healthy relationship with God and one's fellow man.

GabuEx

I'm an Agnostic Atheist.

dhyce

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] ehh i forget. Abel had something that cain wanted, or something like thatStanley09

and wanted that something from who? and why Abel got it and not Cain?

my point is that you cant just go and say God this and Bible that if you never read it your self and just state facts everyone in the whole world knows. what kind of facts? Noah's Ark every knows about Jesus rose from the death etc... read the Bible first then make you arguments

and you know what the most famous Atheist even studied the Bible so they can have a better understanding as to why people follows the Bible and God.

yeah science now can do many things and God made it like that. like i said in my other post God crated things to have a explanation. he created cells to form things and to grow, he created all of that. we just happen now with new technology uncovered how things work. God created 2 types of animals male and female so we can multiply. God made it that if we cut our self's our bodies will regenerate that lost skin and form a scab and then let that scab fall of and new skin will be their etc.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

and wanted that something from who? and why Abel got it and not Cain?

my point is that you cant just go and say God this and Bible that if you never read it your self and just state facts everyone in the whole world knows. what kind of facts? Noah's Ark every knows about Jesus rose from the death etc... read the Bible first then make you arguments

and you know what the most famous Atheist even studied the Bible so they can have a better understanding as to why people follows the Bible and God.

acsam12304

yeah science now can do many things and God made it like that. like i said in my other post God crated things to have a explanation. he created cells to form things and to grow, he created all of that. we just happen now with new technology uncovered how things work. God created 2 types of animals male and female so we can multiply. God made it that if we cut our self's our bodies will regenerate that lost skin and form a scab and then let that scab fall of and new skin will be their etc.

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]i think you have ignorance becuase you just start another thread that been posted MANY times over and over here in the OT forums.

escapeoftheape

I don't think starting a thread which has been made several times before in OT is what determines ones ignorance. The fact that i took the time to start this thread in order to discuss this subject, just proves that I am eager to hear other people opinions and learn more.

several times? do a search and you will find 23 pages of the same kind of topic, just saying....

Wow. Tiresome argument has gotten tiresome.

RobboElRobbo

1. common sense is subjective 2. The number of pi could be an estimate. 3.wait, what?

alexside1

Where are you now, foxhound_fox???SkyWard20

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] regardless, this doesn't have much to do whether god is real or not. The science of the world is all there and provides explanations. I think ancient aliens are far more believable than some god watching over us all the timeStanley09

yeah science now can do many things and God made it like that. like i said in my other post God crated things to have a explanation. he created cells to form things and to grow, he created all of that. we just happen now with new technology uncovered how things work. God created 2 types of animals male and female so we can multiply. God made it that if we cut our self's our bodies will regenerate that lost skin and form a scab and then let that scab fall of and new skin will be their etc.

*face plam* thats my point God made it like life like that. so anaimals will grow thier thier environment. he not sitting thier right now and like "ok im going to change this tot his" no he made it the way he wanted and then let it go on its own and let it grow. so it does fit in with what you said.

please explain :)escapeoftheape

Atheism is the rejection of positive religious claims, its essence is that of disbelief in a deity or deities. If you have no belief in deities and do not claim there aren't any, you are an Agnostic Atheist. If you claim to know there are none, you are a Gnostic Atheist. Agnosticism is a philosophical perspective which asserts that deities are not knowable, for whatever reason. I am not of that opinion.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

yeah science now can do many things and God made it like that. like i said in my other post God crated things to have a explanation. he created cells to form things and to grow, he created all of that. we just happen now with new technology uncovered how things work. God created 2 types of animals male and female so we can multiply. God made it that if we cut our self's our bodies will regenerate that lost skin and form a scab and then let that scab fall of and new skin will be their etc.

acsam12304

*face plam* thats my point God made it like life like that. so anaimals will grow thier thier environment. he not sitting thier right now and like "ok im going to change this tot his" no he made it the way he wanted and then let it go on its own and let it grow. so it does fit in with what you said.

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] No actually that would be life adjusting to the environment over time and evolving. Nothing to do with godStanley09

*face plam* thats my point God made it like life like that. so animals will grow their their environment. he not sitting thier right now and like "ok im going to change this tot his" no he made it the way he wanted and then let it go on its own and let it grow. so it does fit in with what you said.

like i told you what happened to me when i was little.

when i was being born my mom had a heart attack and she did die when she was in labor. she said that she saw her self in the hospital bed and then she ended up in a pitch black path. my mom she said also walked along that path and she heard death people screaming etc. till she saw a light at the end of the path, she made it to the path and she was all of a sudden dressed in all white and she was at some type of green field. and then someone came up to her. my mom said it was her dad ( he past away before i was born) and he turned to her and told her that its not time for her go come here yet. so he grab her hand and took her back to the hospital in the room her body is laying in she said by that time she saw that they where shocking her defibrillator, and before my mom's dad left he told her that he will always be watching over her and my family and to be a good mother. and then all of sudden she woke up, and i was born.

thats 2 for 2.

are we in china? because thats one great wall of text!

are we in china? because thats one great wall of text!

dontshackzmii

:lol:

Considering I'm a Roman Catholic... Yes, I'm religious.

[QUOTE="escapeoftheape"] please explain :)dhyce

Atheism is the rejection of positive religious claims, its essence is that of disbelief in a deity or deities. If you have no belief in deities and do not claim there aren't any, you are an Agnostic Atheist. If you claim to know there are none, you are a Gnostic Atheist. Agnosticism is a philosophical perspective which asserts that deities are not knowable, for whatever reason. I am not of that opinion.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"][QUOTE="acsam12304"]

*face plam* thats my point God made it like life like that. so animals will grow their their environment. he not sitting thier right now and like "ok im going to change this tot his" no he made it the way he wanted and then let it go on its own and let it grow. so it does fit in with what you said.

acsam12304

like i told you what happened to me when i was little.

when i was being born my mom had a heart attack and she did die when she was in labor. she said that she saw her self in the hospital bed and then she ended up in a pitch black path. my mom she said also walked along that path and she heard death people screaming etc. till she saw a light at the end of the path, she made it to the path and she was all of a sudden dressed in all white and she was at some type of green field. and then someone came up to her. my mom said it was her dad ( he past away before i was born) and he turned to her and told her that its not time for her go come here yet. so he grab her hand and took her back to the hospital in the room her body is laying in she said by that time she saw that they where shocking her defibrillator, and before my mom's dad left he told her that he will always be watching over her and my family and to be a good mother. and then all of sudden she woke up, and i was born.

thats 2 for 2.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]1. common sense is subjective 2. The number of pi could be an estimate. 3.wait, what?

foxhound_fox

1. That's not called common sense it's called science. Common sense and science are not the same thing.

2. Prove to me that the decimal exist during the time when the it was written and the writer itself was aware of it. I said it was an estimate, as in round it to the nearest number estimate we do this in math ****all the time.

3.Then prove it. You keep telling others to prove it, now prove yours.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]1. common sense is subjective 2. The number of pi could be an estimate. 3.wait, what?

alexside1

1. That's not called common sense it's called science. Common sense and science are not the same thing.

2. Prove to me that the decimal exist during the time when the it was written and the writer itself was aware of it. I said it was an estimate, as in round it to the nearest number estimate we do this in math ****all the time.

3.Then prove it. You keep telling others to prove it, now prove yours.

Which technically wasn't the case until about a year ago when all the new-age philosophers rewrote what the words actually mean't. Curse you new-age philosophers and your propensity to rewrite stuff.Vandalvideo

I'm pretty sure based on the etymology of 'Atheism' alone, it has always meant without god, a lack of belief in god(s). Much like typical and atypical, I can't see the word meaning anything else. The terms Gnostic and Agnostic have been used in the manner I described for ages as well.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Which technically wasn't the case until about a year ago when all the new-age philosophers rewrote what the words actually mean't. Curse you new-age philosophers and your propensity to rewrite stuff.dhyce

I'm pretty sure based on the etymology of 'Atheism' alone, it has always meant without god, a lack of belief in god(s). Much like typical and atypical, I can't see the word meaning anything else. The terms Gnostic and Agnostic have been used in the manner I described for ages as well.

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]
1. Common sense says that it is impossible for the world to be 6000 years old.
2. Lol. There are a lot of mathematicians that would like a word with you. Pi is an EXACT number.
3. You heard me.

Stanley09

1. That's not called common sense it's called science. Common sense and science are not the same thing.

2. Prove to me that the decimal exist during the time when the it was written and the writer itself was aware of it. I said it was an estimate, as in round it to the nearest number estimate we do this in math ****all the time.

3.Then prove it. You keep telling others to prove it, now prove yours.

[QUOTE="dhyce"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Which technically wasn't the case until about a year ago when all the new-age philosophers rewrote what the words actually mean't. Curse you new-age philosophers and your propensity to rewrite stuff.Teenaged

I'm pretty sure based on the etymology of 'Atheism' alone, it has always meant without god, a lack of belief in god(s). Much like typical and atypical, I can't see the word meaning anything else. The terms Gnostic and Agnostic have been used in the manner I described for ages as well.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="dhyce"]

I'm pretty sure based on the etymology of 'Atheism' alone, it has always meant without god, a lack of belief in god(s). Much like typical and atypical, I can't see the word meaning anything else. The terms Gnostic and Agnostic have been used in the manner I described for ages as well.

alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Sorry, may I intervene?

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

1. That's not called common sense it's called science. Common sense and science are not the same thing.

2. Prove to me that the decimal exist during the time when the it was written and the writer itself was aware of it. I said it was an estimate, as in round it to the nearest number estimate we do this in math ****all the time.

3.Then prove it. You keep telling others to prove it, now prove yours.

alexside1

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Will you interview me?alexside1

I rarely notice jokes, my bad.

Sorry, may I intervene?

Teenaged

While I sort of grasp the essence of what you're saying, for the word Atheism, it's plausibly defined based on morphology. The intent of the word can mean nothing else than 'without god'. Because it's counterpart, 'Theist' means with god, or belief as opposed to none, denoted by the 'a'. Maybe I'm not getting what you mean. It can be, at times, incorrect to assume a definition based on morphology or etymology, but in this case I literally cannot fathom why the word would even exist if it did not mean what I'm currently defining it as.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Sorry, may I intervene?

dhyce

While I sort of grasp the essence of what you're saying, for the word Atheism, it's plausibly defined based on morphology. The intent of the word can mean nothing else than 'without god'. Because it's counterpart, 'Theist' means with god, or belief as opposed to none, denoted by the 'a'. Maybe I'm not getting what you mean. It can be, at times, incorrect to assume a definition based on morphology or etymology, but in this case I literally cannot fathom why the word would even exist if it did not mean what I'm currently defining it as.

Of course the word atheism (and atheist and any related term) is a term which has many uses (a technical definition, a colloquial definition and so on) so the use based on morphology isnt necessarily excluded. Personally, I would much rather a definition though to be justified through testimonies of actual use by people, than morphology, because in the end, that way of deriving meaning comes close to being an ad hoc solution which cant really be indicative or trustworthy as a whole.

Also words dont always form exact counterparts simply by adding the a- prefix. For instance in my language when the word for "powerful"/"strong" gets the "a-" prefix, it means "impossible/improbable" or "thin"/"skinny", and definitely not "not powerful"/"weak". And its not an exception.

Lastly I find notions such as "theism" and "atheism" to be quite complex, so I dont think morphology could "capture" all the meaning inside it (unless I am being too technical with the definitions themselves).

I don't believe in any religion and i don't believe in a God. Its silly non sense, when christians pray to God they look crazy and they're praying to something to thats not there. I guess I'm atheist, just not a hard ass about it. :P

In the case of atheism, I believe that simply following the morphology to derive the meaning leaves out possible connotations (which are connotations only because they arent included in the morphology of the word).

Of course the word atheism (and atheist and any related term) is a term which has many uses (a technical definition, a colloquial definition and so on) so the use based on morphology isnt necessarily excluded. Personally, I would much rather a definition though to be justified through testimonies of actual use by people, than morphology, because in the end, that way of deriving meaning comes close to being an ad hoc solution which cant really be indicative or trustworthy as a whole.

Also words dont always form exact counterparts simply by adding the a- prefix. For instance in my language when the word for "powerful"/"strong" gets the "a-" prefix, it means "impossible/improbable" or "thin"/"skinny", and definitely not "not powerful"/"weak". And its not an exception.

Lastly I find notions such as "theism" and "atheism" to be quite complex, so I dont think morphology could "capture" all the meaning inside it (unless I am being too technical with the definitions themselves).

Teenaged

I kind of agree, now that I'm thinking of it. There are exceptions, but when it comes to defining atheism, I strive to be practical. Hence I commonly make the 'Agnostic Atheist' distinction. While there are vast nuances to the beliefs themselves, it's most constructive to simplify terminology and not clutter up what can be conveyed in fewer words. To define Theism as a belief in a transcendent deity or deities, and Atheism as no belief in a transcendent deity or deities is efficient and satisfactory for generalizing the words' potential intent. Adding Gnostic or Agnostic clarify the degree to which their intent applies to the belief(or non-belief)-holder(s). In this conversation, it is far too easy for quarrels to erupt over what should be a non-issue. Defining atheism as an assertion of there being no gods is like saying all theists claim to know for certain there is a God, which is obviously not the case. Therefore, the definitions I have outlined and repeatedly employed are most practical. In language, that's pretty much the bullseye: Does this word adequately transmit the intent I'm communicating?

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

In the case of atheism, I believe that simply following the morphology to derive the meaning leaves out possible connotations (which are connotations only because they arent included in the morphology of the word).

Of course the word atheism (and atheist and any related term) is a term which has many uses (a technical definition, a colloquial definition and so on) so the use based on morphology isnt necessarily excluded. Personally, I would much rather a definition though to be justified through testimonies of actual use by people, than morphology, because in the end, that way of deriving meaning comes close to being an ad hoc solution which cant really be indicative or trustworthy as a whole.

Also words dont always form exact counterparts simply by adding the a- prefix. For instance in my language when the word for "powerful"/"strong" gets the "a-" prefix, it means "impossible/improbable" or "thin"/"skinny", and definitely not "not powerful"/"weak". And its not an exception.

Lastly I find notions such as "theism" and "atheism" to be quite complex, so I dont think morphology could "capture" all the meaning inside it (unless I am being too technical with the definitions themselves).

dhyce

I kind of agree, now that I'm thinking of it. There are exceptions, but when it comes to defining atheism, I strive to be practical. Hence I commonly make the 'Agnostic Atheist' distinction. While there are vast nuances to the beliefs themselves, it's most constructive to simplify terminology and not clutter up what can be conveyed in fewer words. To define Theism as a belief in a transcendent deity or deities, and Atheism as no belief in a transcendent deity or deities is efficient and satisfactory for generalizing the words' potential intent. Adding Gnostic or Agnostic clarify the degree to which their intent applies to the belief(or non-belief)-holder(s). In this conversation, it is far too easy for quarrels to erupt over what should be a non-issue. Defining atheism as an assertion of there being no gods is like saying all theists claim to know for certain there is a God, which is obviously not the case. Therefore, the definitions I have outlined and repeatedly employed are most practical.In language, that's pretty much the bullseye: Does this word adequately transmit the intent I'm communicating?

I only disagree with using morphology as the only guide to derive the meaning, or to use it suggesting that it can prove the meaning. Of course morphology can (and does in some cases) coincide with the meaning almost 100%, and in this case, it simply leaves room for further (mostly welcome) interpretation of the term. Nothing more though, imo (such as indicating what the meaning is or should be).

Its just that using morphology to derive meaning of the word can be ..."dangerous". Some guy here on OT, tried to etymologise the word "government" and his conclusion was that it is "what governs our minds" (he wrongly traced the derivational suffix "ment" back to the latin mens, (gen: mentis)). Of course thats far from what you did, but just saying. :P

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

[QUOTE="Stanley09"] Whats your proof that god did this?Stanley09

like i told you what happened to me when i was little.

when i was being born my mom had a heart attack and she did die when she was in labor. she said that she saw her self in the hospital bed and then she ended up in a pitch black path. my mom she said also walked along that path and she heard death people screaming etc. till she saw a light at the end of the path, she made it to the path and she was all of a sudden dressed in all white and she was at some type of green field. and then someone came up to her. my mom said it was her dad ( he past away before i was born) and he turned to her and told her that its not time for her go come here yet. so he grab her hand and took her back to the hospital in the room her body is laying in she said by that time she saw that they where shocking her defibrillator, and before my mom's dad left he told her that he will always be watching over her and my family and to be a good mother. and then all of sudden she woke up, and i was born.

thats 2 for 2.

umm theres a thing called missionaries that goes out and build churches and house the children that are living in 3rd worlds counties. there are Christan foundations that gathers money to give to the poor kids and families in 3rd world counties along with other none religious foundations that goes out there and bring food and help build shelters. a lot of them pary in hopes some kind of help comes to them.

and you do know A LOT of missionaries goes to those country with very little money with no protection from the bandits that are out there that kill any person with out a second thought. and they manage to make it through build shelters and feed the kids and school them. and you know what a lot of the kids and famlies thanks God for bring them the help and listing to there prayers

and oh shut up about how the brain releases amount of DMT key words that you said "I think". maybe they did saw Jesus what it is to hard to believe that they did that you think there has to a explanation for it? so your calling my mom a liar and shes making something up!?

im sorry but onceyour dead your dead. you cannt get out of your body and see everything perfecty seeing your self laying in the hospital bed or any where else and call that your brain giving off this ammount of chemicals that makes no sence what so ever. either your dead or you come manage to come back. and alot of people always clam the same thing they saw life after death, they saw there family memeber that past away talk to them, the saw God they saw Heaven, they saw darkness, the saw death etc. if you look at it they all end up with the same kind of story.

[QUOTE="Stanley09"]

[QUOTE="acsam12304"]

like i told you what happened to me when i was little.

when i was being born my mom had a heart attack and she did die when she was in labor. she said that she saw her self in the hospital bed and then she ended up in a pitch black path. my mom she said also walked along that path and she heard death people screaming etc. till she saw a light at the end of the path, she made it to the path and she was all of a sudden dressed in all white and she was at some type of green field. and then someone came up to her. my mom said it was her dad ( he past away before i was born) and he turned to her and told her that its not time for her go come here yet. so he grab her hand and took her back to the hospital in the room her body is laying in she said by that time she saw that they where shocking her defibrillator, and before my mom's dad left he told her that he will always be watching over her and my family and to be a good mother. and then all of sudden she woke up, and i was born.

thats 2 for 2.

acsam12304

umm theres a thing called missionaries that goes out and build churches and house the children that are living in 3rd worlds counties. there are Christan foundations that gathers money to give to the poor kids and families in 3rd world counties along with other none religious foundations that goes out there and bring food and help build shelters. a lot of them pary in hopes some kind of help comes to them.

and you do know A LOT of missionaries goes to those country with very little money with no protection from the bandits that are out there that kill any person with out a second thought. and they manage to make it through build shelters and feed the kids and school them. and you know what a lot of the kids and famlies thanks God for bring them the help and listing to there prayers

and oh shut up about how the brain releases amount of DMT key words that you said "I think". maybe they did saw Jesus what it is to hard to believe that they did that you think there has to a explanation for it? so your calling my mom a liar and shes making something up!?

im sorry but onceyour dead your dead. you cannt get out of your body and see everything perfecty seeing your self laying in the hospital bed or any where else and call that your brain giving off this ammount of chemicals that makes no sence what so ever. either your dead or you come manage to come back. and alot of people always clam the same thing they saw life after death, they saw there family memeber that past away talk to them, the saw God they saw Heaven, they saw darkness, the saw death etc. if you look at it they all end up with the same kind of story.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Sorry, may I intervene?

dhyce

While I sort of grasp the essence of what you're saying, for the word Atheism, it's plausibly defined based on morphology. The intent of the word can mean nothing else than 'without god'. Because it's counterpart, 'Theist' means with god, or belief as opposed to none, denoted by the 'a'. Maybe I'm not getting what you mean. It can be, at times, incorrect to assume a definition based on morphology or etymology, but in this case I literally cannot fathom why the word would even exist if it did not mean what I'm currently defining it as.

nope. i'd rather believe in things for like, good reasons.