Arizona threatens to pull power plug on LA

A broken city like LA trying to leverage anyone, how absurd. I hope AZ pulls the plug on L.A. just to screw with them.

QuistisTrepe_

Yeeeah. This is not the 5th grade playground where we do stuff just to "screw with people".

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A broken city like LA trying to leverage anyone, how absurd. I hope AZ pulls the plug on L.A. just to screw with them.

SgtKevali

Yeeeah. This is not the 5th grade playground where we do stuff just to "screw with people".

Yeeeah. I was kind of like joking and stuff.:| The only ones acting like they're in the fifth grade is L.A.'s city council.

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A broken city like LA trying to leverage anyone, how absurd. I hope AZ pulls the plug on L.A. just to screw with them.

QuistisTrepe_

Yeeeah. This is not the 5th grade playground where we do stuff just to "screw with people".

Yeeeah. I was kind of like joking and stuff.:| The only ones acting like they're in the fifth grade is L.A.'s city council.

Then put a funny face if you're joking. It doesn't shine through otherwise.

Looks like we got owned, didn't even know we got it from them....X360PS3AMD05

California is a state so flushed with resources, but we don't want to spoil our own lands so we import it all. Including our power. Drilling for oil is cool, as long as it isn't on the Pacific Coast or so goes the prevailing attitude.

Funny because we could probably get by on solar power if people actually tried.X360PS3AMD05

Green technology should be a supplement, but not something to be relied upon. Ask T. Boone Pickens. Green tech isn't sustainable without government subsidies and the infrastructure doesn't even exist for the most part, in other words, it's a money pit.

They could always try boycotting "Arizona" iced tea.:lol:

Or Arizona Jeans?:PX360PS3AMD05

Maybe those are made in New York too.

Does anyone even want Arizona anymore? What exactly do they contrubite to the Union, besides awful Presidential candidates, and using up all of the country's water?Bourbons3

So much for the whole "United" States.

Call their bluff, if AZ turns off the power, ROLL IN THE CALIFORNIA NATIONAL GUARD. We'll see how long this stupid law will hold then.

Don't punish the immigrants, punish the EMPLOYERS, I'll pay $3/tomato. The current cost is artificial anyhow because US citizens aren't working these jobs.

Ultimas_Blade

It is ABSOLUTELY illegal and unconstitutional for one state to use its milita to wage war upon another. California cannot, under any cricumstances, invade another state.

So when an entity responds in kind with economic pressure, you want to take it to the next level and use military force.....

majwill24

Yeah, according to him, it's ok for California to boycott Arizona, but if Arizona boycots California, it means war.

If it is ok for LA to boycott Arizona, then it should be perfectly ok for Arizona to boycott LA. Turnabout is always fair play.

When is enough...enough? Screw AZ, if their stupid enought to make such threats they better be ready to deal with the consequences.Ultimas_Blade

I suggest that you take a moment to read the highest law of the land, the US Constitution, which forbids California from launching military strikes against its neighbors.

Does anyone even want Arizona anymore? What exactly do they contrubite to the Union, besides awful Presidential candidates, and using up all of the country's water?Bourbons3

Here is an eye opener for you: more Americans favor Arizona's illegal alien law than oppose it. Take that.

Considering the city of LA is probably more important to the economy and people than the entire state of arizona, I don't think Arizona has alot of room to act like a tough guy, but thats me.

"If an economic boycott is truly what you desire, I will be happy to encourage Arizona utilities to renegotiate your power agreements so Los Angeles no longer receives any power from Arizona-based generation. I am confident that Arizona's utilities would be happy to take those electrons off your hands. If, however, you find that the City Council lacks the strength of its convictions to turn off the lights in Los Angeles and boycott Arizona power, please reconsider the wisdom of attempting to harm Arizona's economy,"

This is win in its purest form.

I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

Pixel-Pirate

I don't think AZ is serious. LA is just acting like a spoiled child who isn't getting their way right now.

I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

Pixel-Pirate

So, you're trying to say that it's ok for LA to boycott Arizona, but it isn't ok for Arizona to boycott LA?

LOL, seriously? Turnabout is always fair play.

I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

Pixel-Pirate

Everyone needs to take their emotions surrounding the AZ immigration law out of it.

If one country were to boycott/enact traiffs against another country, we would all expect the other country to follow suit and do the same to protect their economic interests.
-that is all that is happening here

Arizona has my full support on this issue.

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I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

dkrustyklown

So, you're trying to say that it's ok for LA to boycott Arizona, but it isn't ok for Arizona to boycott LA?

LOL, seriously? Turnabout is always fair play.

I didn't say anything of the sort. Please don't speculate on what you think I'd say.

Neither is right to do it, but I think Arizona purpousley causing mass riots in another state is far worse than one city not wanting to trade with them.

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I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

psychobrew

Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

Personally I'd like the federal government to intervene and tell them to shut up but thats me. Both are acting like little kids, neither is right. If they can't behave and get along, daddy should spank 'em.

Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

Pixel-Pirate

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

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I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

Pixel-Pirate

Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

rawsavon

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And in the end it will be both Arizona's and LA's fault if any one is hurt from this.. Arizona has no excuse to do this and there will be hell to pay if they do it and people are hurt from it.

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

rawsavon

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And I'm sure the federal government and the rest of the country won't look down or be pissed at Arizona when discussing the tragedy of 2010 when hundreds/thousands were killed during black outs and several buisnesses went bankrupt due to massive looting, and the government had to send in aide which cost them money.

It's naive to just think if Arziona did this, there'd be no consequences to them. I think cutting the power in LA would be the equivilant of dropping a freaking bomb on it, and if Arizona did it, the federal government should intervene with the whole issue.

I'm just seeing a bigger set of consequences here besides "Don't piss off arizona".

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

sSubZerOo

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And in the end it will be both Arizona's and LA's fault if any one is hurt from this.. Arizona has no excuse to do this and there will be hell to pay if they do it and people are hurt from it.

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[QUOTE="psychobrew"] Nobody would die from the power loss. They might die from California's mismanagement of what power they have. LA can get the power from other parts of the state, though there would probably be rolling blackouts (you'd think hospitals would be protected from those). And besides, they only mentioned it could happen if LA goes through with the boycott. The choice is really up to LA and LA would be the ones to blame.psychobrew

Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

If someone calls you a name, for instance, that doesn't give you the right to shoot them because they instigated something.

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I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

psychobrew

And in the end it will be both Arizona's and LA's fault if any one is hurt from this.. Arizona has no excuse to do this and there will be hell to pay if they do it and people are hurt from it.

This would also have mass effects on the economy of the state of CA, effect resources in the state of CA, etc. And seeing as how LA alone is probably more important than the entirety of AZ, I'd hope the federal government would intervene and stop it. This isn't just "showing LA whose boss!" theres massive consequences if this happened, to both AZ and LA.

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

Pixel-Pirate

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And I'm sure the federal government and the rest of the country won't look down or be pissed at Arizona when discussing the tragedy of 2010 when hundreds/thousands were killed during black outs and several buisnesses went bankrupt due to massive looting, and the government had to send in aide which cost them money.

It's naive to just think if Arziona did this, there'd be no consequences to them. I think cutting the power in LA would be the equivilant of dropping a freaking bomb on it, and if Arizona did it, the federal government should intervene with the whole issue.

I'm just seeing a bigger set of consequences here besides "Don't piss off arizona".

1) It's not cutting all power. It's cutting a portion of their power. LA gets their power from a variety of sources. They would just lose access to the power that comes from Arizona.

2) California has dealt with rolling blackouts before. Were hundereds or thousands killed then? Did several businesses go bankrupt due to looting (in which case, insurrance should protect them anyway).

3) Why should LA have no consequences for boycotting Arizona, but Arizona has consequences for boycotting LA? That seems hypocritcal to me.

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

sSubZerOo

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And in the end it will be both Arizona's and LA's fault if any one is hurt from this.. Arizona has no excuse to do this and there will be hell to pay if they do it and people are hurt from it.

I don't agree with that.

It is not another State's business whatone state does (so long as it does not hurt them).
This law does not hurt Calif. (other than the fact that some illegals will flee to other states).
So Calif. should mind its own business.

We are a country made up of 50 states (we made sure to hold onto state's rights for a reason) If Calif. is going to try and hurt AZ economically to prove a point, then AZ is well w/in their rights to return the favor

That is why I said we should keep our emotions concerning the immigration law out of it (and why I have not expressed my opinion on it)
-if a country was placing tariffs on/boycotting us, we would expect our country to do the same....and vice versa

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And in the end it will be both Arizona's and LA's fault if any one is hurt from this.. Arizona has no excuse to do this and there will be hell to pay if they do it and people are hurt from it.

Pixel-Pirate

This would also have mass effects on the economy of the state of CA, effect resources in the state of CA, etc. And seeing as how LA alone is probably more important than the entirety of AZ, I'd hope the federal government would intervene and stop it. This isn't just "showing LA whose boss!" theres massive consequences if this happened, to both AZ and LA.

When you bite the hand that feeds you, don't act surprised when the hand stops feeding you.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]Does anyone even want Arizona anymore? What exactly do they contrubite to the Union, besides awful Presidential candidates, and using up all of the country's water?dkrustyklown

Here is an eye opener for you: more Americans favor Arizona's illegal alien law than oppose it. Take that.

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

Pixel-Pirate

I agree 100% that the results would be terrible at best and catastrophic at worst (if LA lost their major source of power)

But they have no one to blame but themselves if it happens
-they could protest what Arizona is doing without imposing economic sanctions
...don't write a check your ass can't cash

And I'm sure the federal government and the rest of the country won't look down or be pissed at Arizona when discussing the tragedy of 2010 when hundreds/thousands were killed during black outs and several buisnesses went bankrupt due to massive looting, and the government had to send in aide which cost them money.

It's naive to just think if Arziona did this, there'd be no consequences to them. I think cutting the power in LA would be the equivilant of dropping a freaking bomb on it, and if Arizona did it, the federal government should intervene with the whole issue.

I'm just seeing a bigger set of consequences here besides "Don't piss off arizona".

I never said there would not be bigger consequences...I said it could be catastrophic.
But you had be better be ready to accept the consequences when you make a stand against something (as Calif. wants to do)
...they cannot say they weren't warned

I find it somewhat disturbing that Arizona, in a way, is threatening to kill countless people in LA (turning off power to hospitals whose back up generators are limited, causing riots and untold deaths from such riots, etc). This isn't something a state should be saying. It sounds like something a Mafia would say "Eh' maybe you don't like how we doin' things, and maybe we break your legs? Be tragic if that happened."

Pixel-Pirate

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Considering the amount of damage riots can do and deaths it can cause especially with rolling black outs through out a city, I'd say saying there'd be no death or serious damage is very naive, especially since LA isn't exactly a crime free city.

Pixel-Pirate

If someone calls you a name, for instance, that doesn't give you the right to shoot them because they instigated something.