Armed Services Day---Thanks guys!

SSG U.S Army, 11B

OIF 2006-2007

OEF 2009-2010

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] I don't even come close to thinking you hate each other,I know a bit more that that. It seems to me ,however, that an infantrymen should be proud of being infantry and ,a combat engineer should be proud of being a combat engineer ,And that a member of the special weapons company within an infantry battalion should be proud of the weapons company. This is what I know and understand,the branch thing seems childish.sSubZerOo

Agreed rivalies on such levels are stupid :|

Yes, because you would definitely understand it since you're in the military, right? Oh wait...

Where did I suggest I was, or that I had some deep knowledge.. I was merely agreeing upon the idea that such rivalaries seem like a waste of time.. Settle down now..

A waste of time? What? Like it take so much time and resources to make harmless fun of the other branches? You're right...good thinking!:roll:

In the military, time is one thing you have A LOT of in most cases.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]I have more respect for the garbage man tbh... War is so far from me (as a Canadian).taj7575

You do more in the Armed Service than just fight in wars..:|

And soldiers do that on a daily basis.. You think every soldier on the battlefield does things because they fully want to? They do so because they have to.

sSubZerOo

Not on a daily basis, it isn't so extreme as you would imagine.

Some of those who disobeyed orders are now felons and have lost some of their most basic rights, such as gun ownership and even the right to vote.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

Yes, because you would definitely understand it since you're in the military, right? Oh wait...

SpartanMSU

Where did I suggest I was, or that I had some deep knowledge.. I was merely agreeing upon the idea that such rivalaries seem like a waste of time.. Settle down now..

A waste of time? What? Like it take so much time and resources to make harmless fun of the other branches? You're right...good thinking!:roll:

In the military, time is one thing you have A LOT of in most cases.

Harmless fun yes but I was talking about the serious rivalaries that you guys were refering too early.. That is all.. I seem to not clear enough, and you seem to be extremely hostile towards for me like I am attacking you.. When I am not.

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And soldiers do that on a daily basis.. You think every soldier on the battlefield does things because they fully want to? They do so because they have to.

topsemag55

Not on a daily basis, it isn't so extreme as you would imagine.

Some of those who disobeyed orders are now felons and have lost some of their most basic rights, such as gun ownership and even the right to vote.

I am quite sure no one agrees to clean the latrines and is happy about it.. Or goes ona rigorous run every day.. But they do it.. I am not talkinga bout earth shattering things that the person thinks is deeply wrong..

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Where did I suggest I was, or that I had some deep knowledge.. I was merely agreeing upon the idea that such rivalaries seem like a waste of time.. Settle down now..

sSubZerOo

A waste of time? What? Like it take so much time and resources to make harmless fun of the other branches? You're right...good thinking!:roll:

In the military, time is one thing you have A LOT of in most cases.

Harmless fun yes but I was talking about the serious rivalaries that you guys were refering too early.. That is all.. I seem to not clear enough, and you seem to be extremely hostile towards for me like I am attacking you.. When I am not.

There is no serious rivalry...

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Why are you assuming that because we're in difference branches we all hate each other? If you deploy you end up working with each other. Branch rivalry relieves tension and lets us have a little bit of fun while we're at it.

sSubZerOo

Agreed rivalies on such levels are stupid :|

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] I don't even come close to thinking you hate each other,I know a bit more that that. It seems to me ,however, that an infantrymen should be proud of being infantry and ,a combat engineer should be proud of being a combat engineer ,And that a member of the special weapons company within an infantry battalion should be proud of the weapons company. This is what I know and understand,the branch thing seems childish.LJS9502_basic

Agreed rivalies on such levels are stupid :|

Thats a bit of a generalization hehe.. I have seen fist fights break out with the University of Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.. Some of those people can take it literally too a whole new level...

There is no serious rivalry...

SpartanMSU

Agreed, and in many cases, it is automatic where all friendly "rivalries" are tossed to the side due to the seriousness of a joint operation.

For example, I spent a few years in a USAF tenant unit on a naval station. Of course we were razzed, but only during the sponsored intra-service sporting events.

When we came together for a duty-related job, there weren't any "rivalries" at all.

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Agreed rivalies on such levels are stupid :|

sSubZerOo

Thats a bit of a generalization hehe.. I have seen fist fights break out with the University of Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.. Some of those people can take it literally too a whole new level...

It's actually more like a game or how you joke about other teams that your home team plays:|.

LJS9502_basic

LJS, I served two years at a USAF tenant unit at Fort Monroe, and we got along very well with our USA friends.:)

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]It's actually more like a game or how you joke about other teams that your home team plays:|.

LJS9502_basic

Thats a bit of a generalization hehe.. I have seen fist fights break out with the University of Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.. Some of those people can take it literally too a whole new level...

Well that goes without saying.. Everyone is guilty of falling into fallacies.. We are only human.

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It's actually more like a game or how you joke about other teams that your home team plays:|.

topsemag55

LJS, I served two years at a USAF tenant unit at Fort Monroe, and we got along very well with our USA friends.:)

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Thats a bit of a generalization hehe.. I have seen fist fights break out with the University of Michigan and Ohio State rivalry.. Some of those people can take it literally too a whole new level...

sSubZerOo

Well that goes without saying.. Everyone is guilty of falling into fallacies.. We are only human.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Ah well I've never known you to generalize based on extremists before.....LJS9502_basic

Well that goes without saying.. Everyone is guilty of falling into fallacies.. We are only human.

Did the military do that to you :o

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It's actually more like a game or how you joke about other teams that your home team plays:|.

LJS9502_basic

LJS, I served two years at a USAF tenant unit at Fort Monroe, and we got along very well with our USA friends.:)

We were a bit "put out" about our situation, but not the Army.

We were a mobile radar unit, but we always stayed in garrison, we never deployed anywhere. That's because the 1st Tactical Fighter Wing wanted us to stay and provide radar support for their air combat sorties.

They had brand-new F-15 fighters, and they didn't want to fly without ground radar: the over-water training areas were reserved, but smack in the middle of FAA-controlled domestic air traffic corridors (New York City and D.C.):P

Heck, one day we broke out the tents, water buffaloes, etc. just to see if we could do it.:lol: We stayed "in camp" for three days. It was better than nothing.:P

I suppose I appreciate the idea that they believe they're doing the right thing

Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

drumbreak1

Thank you, we appreciate your respect.:)

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JudgementEden

I believe that blind devotionis called Faith & Patriotismm which can certainly be very dangerous to the extremsts

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Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

JudgementEden

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

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Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

SpartanMSU

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Not everyone has to be respectful. Why is it everyone expressing doubt or even dislike for the military is being figuratively burned at the stake? Where there is support for a certain belief, day, whatever. There can also be disdain. People need to learn to accept that not everyone is so pleased with the military. Blind devotion is a dangerous thing.JudgementEden

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

Aaaand that's not the way the world or human nature works. Keep living in lala land.

I don't see how wars are the fault of every person involved but ok...

Politicians have the power, not the military...

I don't even come close to thinking you hate each other,I know a bit more that that. It seems to me ,however, that an infantrymen should be proud of being infantry and ,a combat engineer should be proud of being a combat engineer ,And that a member of the special weapons company within an infantry battalion should be proud of the weapons company. This is what I know and understand,the branch thing seems childish.grape_of_wrath

We don't think like that, though.

You seem to think branch rivalries have some sort of negative effect on us, they don't.

Going down range and serving with Army and Marines is the same as going down range and serving with just USAF security forces. Branch rivalries mean absolutely nothing in the end.

Not everyone has to be respectful. Why is it everyone expressing doubt or even dislike for the military is being figuratively burned at the stake? Where there is support for a certain belief, day, whatever. There can also be disdain. People need to learn to accept that not everyone is so pleased with the military. Blind devotion is a dangerous thing.JudgementEden

Firstly, this topic didn't ask for you to express your opinions or disdain for the military.

You are free to do that, just not in this thread.

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[QUOTE="Franko_3"]I have more respect for the garbage man tbh... War is so far from me (as a Canadian).grape_of_wrath

You do more in the Armed Service than just fight in wars..:|

Heh, thats true.

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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Not everyone has to be respectful. Why is it everyone expressing doubt or even dislike for the military is being figuratively burned at the stake? Where there is support for a certain belief, day, whatever. There can also be disdain. People need to learn to accept that not everyone is so pleased with the military. Blind devotion is a dangerous thing.JudgementEden

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="drumbreak1"]

Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

SpartanMSU

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

Often it's more complicated than that. For example, it's coneivable that many careerist officers will push wars as a means of advancing themselves.

We were a bit "put out" about our situation, but not the Army.

We were a mobile radar unit, but we always stayed in garrison, we never deployed anywhere. That's because the 1st Tactical Fighter Wing wanted us to stay and provide radar support for their air combat sorties.

They had brand-new F-15 fighters, and they didn't want to fly without ground radar: the over-water training areas were reserved, but smack in the middle of FAA-controlled domestic air traffic corridors (New York City and D.C.):P

Heck, one day we broke out the tents, water buffaloes, etc. just to see if we could do it.:lol: We stayed "in camp" for three days. It was better than nothing.:P

topsemag55

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Not everyone has to be respectful. Why is it everyone expressing doubt or even dislike for the military is being figuratively burned at the stake? Where there is support for a certain belief, day, whatever. There can also be disdain. People need to learn to accept that not everyone is so pleased with the military. Blind devotion is a dangerous thing.airshocker

Firstly, this topic didn't ask for you to express your opinions or disdain for the military.

You are free to do that, just not in this thread.

Yes I agree, I'm pretty sure it's considered trolling to an extent.

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[QUOTE="JudgementEden"] Not everyone has to be respectful. Why is it everyone expressing doubt or even dislike for the military is being figuratively burned at the stake? Where there is support for a certain belief, day, whatever. There can also be disdain. People need to learn to accept that not everyone is so pleased with the military. Blind devotion is a dangerous thing.SgtKevali

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

Often it's more complicated than that. For example, it's coneivable that many careerist officers will push wars as a means of advancing themselves.

[QUOTE="JudgementEden"][QUOTE="drumbreak1"]

Be respectful, be grateful, or be gone from this topic. No one wants to hear you complaining.

SpartanMSU

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

Which I always think people forget that.. Though I am extremely critical of United States foreign policy, this has nothing to do with the men and women who serve.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

LJS9502_basic

Often it's more complicated than that. For example, it's coneivable that many careerist officers will push wars as a means of advancing themselves.

Not to mention our bueracracy and extreme partisan environment has often times exed out the real experts.. Iraq War was clear example of this.. Many of the supposed experts in the region are/were discarded for supposedly being pro arabist.. Thats one thing that the British Empire got right, the leaders had direct contact with expets int he field.

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[QUOTE="SpartanMSU"]

The military doesn't start wars. Politicians do. Be angry at them, not us.

LJS9502_basic

Often it's more complicated than that. For example, it's coneivable that many careerist officers will push wars as a means of advancing themselves.

Nah, I would imagine that higher ranking officers (Major etc.) would talk to politicians too (to an extent). They can still advance. And even generals might want wars so as to advance not their careers, but their legacy.

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Often it's more complicated than that. For example, it's coneivable that many careerist officers will push wars as a means of advancing themselves.

SgtKevali

Nah, I would imagine that higher ranking officers (Major etc.) would talk to politicians too (to an extent). They can still advance. And even generals might want wars so as to advance not their careers, but their legacy.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]No that is not conceivable. The only officers that would be in a position to talk with politicians are as high as they can go in their career.;)LJS9502_basic

Nah, I would imagine that higher ranking officers (Major etc.) would talk to politicians too (to an extent). They can still advance. And even generals might want wars so as to advance not their careers, but their legacy.

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

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Nah, I would imagine that higher ranking officers (Major etc.) would talk to politicians too (to an extent). They can still advance. And even generals might want wars so as to advance not their careers, but their legacy.

SgtKevali

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Major actually isn't that high of a rank. And no they don't.LJS9502_basic

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

Thanks! I've been thinking of joining the Marines lately.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Major actually isn't that high of a rank. And no they don't.LJS9502_basic

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

Well, those are very good points, and I think I concede on that to a degree. However, it's often the ex-generals that advise the DOD (and are paid by the defense industry) that push for war.

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Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

sSubZerOo

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="SgtKevali"]

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

SgtKevali

Well, those are very good points, and I think I concede on that to a degree. However, it's often the ex-generals that advise the DOD (and are paid by the defense industry) that push for war.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Legacy? Not many generals are remembered. Politicians start wars for political reasons. Officers can and do advance in peacetime. War is not necessary.On3ShotOneKill

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

Well yeah I know this.. He became president right after Truman.. It was just a exception tot he rule.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Legacy? Not many generals are remembered. Politicians start wars for political reasons. Officers can and do advance in peacetime. War is not necessary.LJS9502_basic

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Major actually isn't that high of a rank. And no they don't.LJS9502_basic

Well, not Major, but stuff like Major General, Brigadier general etc. They can definately still advance. And you didn't really respond to my second point.

Yep long are the days gone of major battles. Modern Warfare is small skirmishes and small scale strategic operations. You aren't going to see things like the battle of normandy or the storming of stalingrad anymore, and if you do, well let's just say it won't end well at all.

[QUOTE="On3ShotOneKill"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Well there was Esienhaur (spelling?), which was kind of interesting because he was the one who warned about the United states coming a military industry complex.

Well yeah I know this.. He became president right after Truman.. It was just a exception tot he rule.