ATHEISM: The Necessary Proof

[QUOTE="Turtlecream"]Bill O'Reilly has done just about everything that a person can possible do to prove that he is intelligent.

If he was not intelligent, he would not have been able to be an honors student, attend Harvard University, write several best-selling books, earn millions of dollars, have a wife and children, have his own radio talk show, be responsible for the most popular cable television show for several years and counting, interview with and debate against some of the most important people in the world, and be recognized by even the President of the United States.

foxhound_fox

As close-minded as the man seems to be, I would think be reasonable to assume that by attaining a degree from Harvard, he would in point of fact be intelligent.

First, good going there predicting behaviours. Generalizations FTW, right?

Next, when people talk about god, most of the time they talk about him like he could do anything. At all. Well, like all good program designers know, if want to have background control on whatever you do, you leave some door open. You don't create a perfect encryption algorithm, leave it there and then expect it to do something against itself when you scream at the screen.

Such a powerfull designer would leave open space in the cosmos design so that he could have some control. And if there were such disregard for rules, it'd be findable. Somewhere. You know antibiotics work because, with our current knowledge, you're able to predict with good precision their effects. It's how things work. They're predictable once we understand them.

Well, when we go into cosmology, there is no evidence, nor trace, nor freedom, nor reason, nor logic in the cosmos containing in itself such a being. It wouldn't work. You can't have randomized variables toying with existence itself. This must be hard to understand, i'm not the best at describing such things, but you get the idea. We don't believe in god for the same reason we don't believe there is a tea pot in orbit around mars.

[spoiler] If anyone brings out quantum mechanics, they get smacked in the head. Seriously. They're quantum mechanics. You can't understand them. [/spoiler]

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

I have to say i agree..no point arguing with an atheist..they'll never accept that there is a God..so arguing with one about religion is a waste of time..

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

So you don't believe your omniscient god could come up with a way to prove he exist to measly humans? Some god...

faith is kind of like patriotism, or at least how people tend to look and understand patriotism today.

Both are blind submission to authority of some sort, whether religious or national.

See no evil , speak no evil hear, no evil of my religion, of my god, of my country, of my president. Perhaps they are the most common submission humans give in to next to monetary policy

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

Really? Really? Really? Maybe your god could actually have something logical as to why he exist. You sire hav made me angry :evil: That is a load of balony.

Atheism is very, very close to mono-theism. Christians, for example, are atheists for every god except for the Judeo-Christian God. Atheists just go one god further.

I'm pretty sure anyone presented with the "evidence" of God coming down out of the sky and proving in fact that he is God (by breaking the laws of the universe, or some similar miracle, not one bound by rational understanding), that everyone would believe... but I don't doubt that many would refuse to worship.

But of course... I personally do not think that would ever happen. Given how the "concept" of God not only makes no sense to me, but defies rational understanding.

foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="smc91352"]agnostic-atheist = have belief of god 'cause of a lack of evidence

gnostic-atheist = say god doesn't exist 'cause it is impossible :?

ignostic = say "god" doesn't have a good definition.

Darth-Caedus

Atheist: the theory or belief that God does not exist.

Gnostic: of or relating to knowledge, esp. esoteric mystical knowledge. • ( Gnostic) of or relating to Gnosticism .

Or you know, God could, if he hypothetically existed, announce his presence to everybody. That way there wouldn't be an unfair labelling of the minority.super_mario_128

[QUOTE="Turtlecream"]

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

pdevil21

So you don't believe your omniscient god could come up with a way to prove he exist to measly humans? Some god...

I never said I believed in God.

I have to say i agree..no point arguing with an atheist..they'll never accept that there is a God..so arguing with one about religion is a waste of time..Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'm an atheist and I'm deeply religious, thank you. Being religious doesn't automatically mean you believe in the Abrahamic God either, if it did, I'd rather not be religious.

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

With that same logic you can say 6 million people were killed in the holocaust but people still believe in god, or thousands of people starve to death every day.

It goes both ways.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="Turtlecream"]Bill O'Reilly has done just about everything that a person can possible do to prove that he is intelligent.

If he was not intelligent, he would not have been able to be an honors student, attend Harvard University, write several best-selling books, earn millions of dollars, have a wife and children, have his own radio talk show, be responsible for the most popular cable television show for several years and counting, interview with and debate against some of the most important people in the world, and be recognized by even the President of the United States.

coolbeans90

As close-minded as the man seems to be, I would think be reasonable to assume that by attaining a degree from Harvard, he would in point of fact be intelligent.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]I have to say i agree..no point arguing with an atheist..they'll never accept that there is a God..so arguing with one about religion is a waste of time..T_P_O

I'm an atheist and I'm deeply religious, thank you. Being religious doesn't automatically mean you believe in the Abrahamic God either, if it did, I'd rather not be religious.

That doesn't make sense...Atheist -a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings...so you believe in God..which would mean..a supreme being...even if it's not the Biblical Abraham God...God-a supreme being according to some particular conception..

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

You seem to think that we are deadset on not believing in God. If there was irrefutable proof that he existed, I sure as hell would believe in him.

:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. Brainkiller05

One proof caught on video...

Second Proof -

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

I'm an atheist and I'm deeply religious, thank you. Being religious doesn't automatically mean you believe in the Abrahamic God either, if it did, I'd rather not be religious.

Brainkiller05

That doesn't make sense...Atheist -a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings...so you believe in God..which would mean..a supreme being...even if it's not the Biblical Abraham God...God-a supreme being according to some particular conception..

Did i say there weren't...he said he believed in a God though not a "Abrahamic God"...well..there are the definitions...so that doesn't make sense...

Sounds like something I heard during a Ray Comfort debate. He's not someone you should be looking to for arguements.

Even if you didn't get it from him, who are you to tell me what I would do under any of those hypothetical situations?

Atheists are just one sided. They just have all the time in the world to mimick religions.Its like "let god come into the universe and prove himself and then ill worship him, for now, ill just believe in what i need to believe because the devil has me whipped". I doubt people were just put on this earth for fun,we were none existant from begining of time, and now have a 1-100 year lifeline just to relax and do nothing and then die and stay in a grave for rest of eternity?

Athiests say "we dont rule out the idea of god" but thats just a big fat fad. they dont strive to seek knowledge of god, all they do is find science so mindnumbingly awesome that it consumes them and think the world of it.

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]I have to say i agree..no point arguing with an atheist..they'll never accept that there is a God..so arguing with one about religion is a waste of time..Xx_Hopeless_xX

I'm an atheist and I'm deeply religious, thank you. Being religious doesn't automatically mean you believe in the Abrahamic God either, if it did, I'd rather not be religious.

That doesn't make sense...Atheist -a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings...so you believe in God..which would mean..a supreme being...even if it's not the Biblical Abraham God...God-a supreme being according to some particular conception..

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="T_P_O"]

I'm an atheist and I'm deeply religious, thank you. Being religious doesn't automatically mean you believe in the Abrahamic God either, if it did, I'd rather not be religious.

BumFluff122

That doesn't make sense...Atheist -a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings...so you believe in God..which would mean..a supreme being...even if it's not the Biblical Abraham God...God-a supreme being according to some particular conception..

Again..i didn't deny that there are religions like that...i was going by what he said..that he believed in a god that wasn't "Abrahamic"..so he was either being misleading or you should choose a different word besides God...

I´m kind of an atheist, but if there is a devent proof of a god I´ll start to beleive in god

I'm amazed at how religious people always have to force their religion onto others. That is exactly the main reason why I'm an atheist. Actually, I suppose "atheist" isn't the right word - it's not the exsistence of god that I have a problem with - it's thereligion itself.

I´m kind of an atheist, but if there is a devent proof of a god I´ll start to beleive in god

hyrueprince11

What's a "Devent Proof"? I'm not trying to be annoying, I honestly don't know what you mean by "Devent".

It is common knowledge that atheists do not believe in God because there is a lack of empirical evidence. What is interesting is that it is nearly impossible to dictate the kind of evidence that would need to be discovered.

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

• If all diseases were suddenly abolished, atheists would say that humans somehow developed natural immunities.
• If the word, "God" was carved into the Moon, atheists would claim it as an enormous hoax.
• If beautiful figures appeared for the entire world to see, atheists would label them as aliens from another universe.
• If God spoke directly to a group of people, atheists would label those people as crazy or schizophrenic.
• If every dead human was suddenly resurrected, atheists would consider them zombies and grab their chainsaws and shotguns.

Atheists claim that a God is improbable but demand believing in Him only through the impossible. Excluding the fact that such an attitude is completely hypocritical, such logic would dictate that it takes far more faith to believe in atheism than anything else anyway.

Turtlecream

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. Xx_Hopeless_xX

One proof caught on video...

Second Proof -

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. Brainkiller05

Second Proof -

They've been proven true..tell me..how do you explain them..?

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]One proof caught on video...

Second Proof - Xx_Hopeless_xX

They've been proven true..tell me..how do you explain them..?

Atheists are just one sided. They just have all the time in the world to mimick religions.Its like "let god come into the universe and prove himself and then ill worship him, for now, ill just believe in what i need to believe because the devil has me whipped". I doubt people were just put on this earth for fun,we were none existant from begining of time, and now have a 1-100 year lifeline just to relax and do nothing and then die and stay in a grave for rest of eternity?

Athiests say "we dont rule out the idea of god" but thats just a big fat fad. they dont strive to seek knowledge of god, all they do is find science so mindnumbingly awesome that it consumes them and think the world of it.

Disturbed123

Again..i didn't deny that there are religions like that...i was going by what he said..that he believed in a god that wasn't "Abrahamic"..so he was either being misleading or you should choose a different word besides God...

Xx_Hopeless_xX

Assuming that God was absolutely real and exceptionally present, it may still be literally impossible to prove it to an atheist regardless.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. Brainkiller05

Second Proof -

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. BumFluff122

One proof caught on video...

Second Proof -

Explain how it's still around after around a 1000 years..and the video is a bleeding eucharist...witnessed by multiple people..also..

Shroud - It is bloodstained and shows faint front and back images of a man who, by the visible wounds appears to have been crucified. He seems to be resting in in burial repose.

The bloodstains on the Shroud are composed of hemoglobin and give a positive test for serum albumin. Numerous tests confirm that the blood is real human blood.

No evidence for pigments (paint, dye or stains) or artist's media was found anywhere on the Shroud. Nor is any photographic emulsion found on the Shroud.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]:lol: keep telling yourself that OP, if it makes you feel better in believing in something you have no proof of. BumFluff122

One proof caught on video...

Second Proof -

No, The first video is of a bleeding host. It may take a few seconds to realize this as the man holding the camera is quite terrified. The Second is the Shroud of Turin.

"The Shroud of Turin is a centuries old linen cloth that bears the image of a crucified man."

http://www.shroud.com/

HEre are some questions if you believe it's a fake.How did a faker of relics alter the chemical properties of the carbohydrate coating to create the color and how did he do so with such artistic precision -- on both sides of the cloth?When a new technique is discovered it is exploited; and over time it is refined and improved. Where are the precedents for pictures such as those that we find on the Shroud? Where are the other works in this new-found technology? Are we to imagine that some genius invented a new way to create pictures, that one picture was made, and the technology was lost to history?How did he create a suitable negative picture hundreds of years before the discovery of photographic negativity? How did he know that he had it right? How, without a camera and film, could he test his work? The negativity is extraordinarily precise and correct.Why did he go against conventional expectations of his era? Why did he create a picture with wounds from nails that went through Jesus' wrists? All art and all expectation throughout medieval Europe showed Jesus nailed to his cross through the palms of his hands. Why is Jesus shown completely naked, unlike in all artistic depictions everywhere in every era?

Can you answer these questions with reliable reference sources? I'm just trying to figure out why people are so against the Shroud of Turin.

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]One proof caught on video...

Second Proof - supa_badman

They'll find some explanation to make themselves feel better...:x

BTW, believing in extra-terrestrial life existing requires faith as well?hiphops_savior

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]One proof caught on video...

Second Proof - supa_badman

[QUOTE="hiphops_savior"]BTW, believing in extra-terrestrial life existing requires faith as well?BumFluff122

Extra-Terrestrials are of this world, if they DID exist. If they existed they would be living somewhere within our Universe, God is not part of this world, as in, he does not belong to our Universe, he is otherworldy.

[QUOTE="supa_badman"][QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] That's the problem, you consider this proof there's an all powerful man who created everything from nothing and always existed. The fact you just posted these two things as "proof" backs up my thoughts perfectly.

Brainkiller05

I don't understand the argument you're trying to make. You believe there's no God, so you believe until it's proven "Fake" as well.

[QUOTE="Xx_Hopeless_xX"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"] That's the problem, you consider this proof there's an all powerful man who created everything from nothing and always existed. The fact you just posted these two things as "proof" backs up my thoughts perfectly.

Brainkiller05

They've been proven true..tell me..how do you explain them..?

If that's all the proof you have then is that really the God you want to be worshiping?

Proof it was real..Bishop Ricardo of Los Teques was advised, and he had the Host tested in Caracas. He was told that the red substance was IN FACT human blood. http://www.dsanford.com/miraclehost.html

People have free will..i find it hilarious you expect God to make everything perfect when you don't even believe in him..