Atheism.... why are you doing this?

People are actually starting to believe in science?go-cizmek

It does seem that many people in the USA still well into Christianity, despite scientific progress. :?

Who's to say Atheism isn't a form of faith...J-Man725

Who's to say Atheism isn't a form of faith...J-Man725

becouse faith teaches you the blindly follow were as atheism teaches critical thinking

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

Sometimes I struggle with this too.

But here is how I see it. There are a lot of people who just go to church on sunday mornings because everyone else does, and who call themselves Christains without actually doing anything or changing their lifestyle. Especially in small towns and in the red states nearly everyone goes to church, but few actually take Christ's message to heart. This is how society used to be. Before cultural revolutions and before science came up with alternate theories for how the universe came to be, everyone was went to church. But there were still few true Christains.

Now people see that there doesn't need to be God to explain why we are here, and and now not everyone goes to church each week so there is no pressure on the average person to go to church. Therefore, church attendance and belief in God is down. However, this is not all bad. As hard as it is to watch, the nonbelievers are being weeded out, and only those of us alive with the spirit are left. Personally, my home church and my denomination have never been more alive. We are more at work than ever helping our community and the rest of the world.

Also, if you look at the history of the US (can't speak for the rest of the world) we are due for another spiritual revival in the next couple decades. Maybe then people will realize that religion and science aren't in conflict, that Genesis contains metaphores for the big bang and evolution, and that science, while very explanitory does not give us meaning to our lives. Maybe then people will realize that we have a real shot to end poverty in the next generation if we only sieze to oppertunity and have everyone work together.

I am an optimist, and it saddens me both to see good smart people become athiests, and to see good smart christains become close-minded. But just remember that God has a plan for you and if you follow it then the world will become just a little bit better. I guess I'll leave you with this verse that has helped me out often:

"Trust in the Lord with all of your hear, and lean not on your own understandings.

In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make straight your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

[QUOTE="antonius05"]Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.Acemaster27

Sometimes I struggle with this too.

But here is how I see it. There are a lot of people who just go to church on sunday mornings because everyone else does, and who call themselves Christains without actually doing anything or changing their lifestyle. Especially in small towns and in the red states nearly everyone goes to church, but few actually take Christ's message to heart. This is how society used to be. Before cultural revolutions and before science came up with alternate theories for how the universe came to be, everyone was went to church. But there were still few true Christains.

Now people see that there doesn't need to be God to explain why we are here, and and now not everyone goes to church each week so there is no pressure on the average person to go to church. Therefore, church attendance and belief in God is down. However, this is not all bad. As hard as it is to watch, the nonbelievers are being weeded out, and only those of us alive with the spirit are left. Personally, my home church and my denomination have never been more alive. We are more at work than ever helping our community and the rest of the world.

Also, if you look at the history of the US (can't speak for the rest of the world) we are due for another spiritual revival in the next couple decades. Maybe then people will realize that religion and science aren't in conflict, that Genesis contains metaphores for the big bang and evolution, and that science, while very explanitory does not give us meaning to our lives. Maybe then people will realize that we have a real shot to end poverty in the next generation if we only sieze to oppertunity and have everyone work together.

I am an optimist, and it saddens me both to see good smart people become athiests, and to see good smart christains become close-minded. But just remember that God has a plan for you and if you follow it then the world will become just a little bit better. I guess I'll leave you with this verse that has helped me out often:

"Trust in the Lord with all of your hear, and lean not on your own understandings.

In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make straight your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

The fact that religion is used for so many bad things makes me not believe in it. Yes it has great teachings but scare antics just dont do it for me. As far as Gods opinion we are all bad from the day of birth. What would your life be if religion was never introduced to you like so many other people in this world? Your only belief would be survival and nothing else. We have been fighting wars and each other over a bunch of BS that has been drawn down from our supposed leaders for conquering land and enslavement. I wont believe but I know in my heart that I am a good person and better person than alot of religious people especially born agains. Religion is a distraction of what is really happening in this world just like TV.

The fact that religion is used for so many bad things makes me not believe in it. Yes it has great teachings but scare antics just dont do it for me. As far as Gods opinion we are all bad from the day of birth. What would your life be if religion was never introduced to you like so many other people in this world? Your only belief would be survival and nothing else. We have been fighting wars and each other over a bunch of BS that has been drawn down from our supposed leaders for conquering land and enslavement. I wont believe but I know in my heart that I am a good person and better person than alot of religious people especially born agains. Religion is a distraction of what is really happening in this world just like TV.

balindos

Honestly I would be a much worse person without my religion. Personally I have reasoned that since my conciousness and my body are the only things in this world that I feel, they are all I should care about. That is just how my mind is wired. Thankfully, my religion has taught me otherwise. My religion has taught me to love and care for others, and to realize that there is more to life than the pleasures of the flesh.

I also agree with you, religion should not be used as scare tactics. The fact of the matter is that the church has done so much good in the world and it has healed so many broken people, both physically and emotionally. I see those signs that say "Imagine no religion" with a picture of the twin towers in the background and it makes me sick because the good that religion has done so heavily outweights the bad.

[QUOTE="balindos"]

The fact that religion is used for so many bad things makes me not believe in it. Yes it has great teachings but scare antics just dont do it for me. As far as Gods opinion we are all bad from the day of birth. What would your life be if religion was never introduced to you like so many other people in this world? Your only belief would be survival and nothing else. We have been fighting wars and each other over a bunch of BS that has been drawn down from our supposed leaders for conquering land and enslavement. I wont believe but I know in my heart that I am a good person and better person than alot of religious people especially born agains. Religion is a distraction of what is really happening in this world just like TV.

Acemaster27

Honestly I would be a much worse person without my religion. Personally I have reasoned that since my conciousness and my body are the only things in this world that I feel, they are all I should care about. That is just how my mind is wired. Thankfully, my religion has taught me otherwise. My religion has taught me to love and care for others, and to realize that there is more to life than the pleasures of the flesh.

I also agree with you, religion should not be used as scare tactics. The fact of the matter is that the church has done so much good in the world and it has healed so many broken people, both physically and emotionally. I see those signs that say "Imagine no religion" with a picture of the twin towers in the background and it makes me sick because the good that religion has done so heavily outweights the bad.

I have always said the bible has good teaching but also the bible has scare tactics and it tells you that you are doomed already. I just feel that the bible was rewritten in a bad way to control people instead of keeping it good as it was at some time. The whole view of a god just doesnt sit well with me because he judges me on whether I beiieve in him or not even if I am a good person. If he wants me to believe in him or Jesus as my saviors then come save people and quit hiding. Right now I believe in me and the people around as my savoirs. The only gods that will save and protect us is us.

Sometimes I struggle with this too.

But here is how I see it. There are a lot of people who just go to church on sunday mornings because everyone else does, and who call themselves Christains without actually doing anything or changing their lifestyle. Especially in small towns and in the red states nearly everyone goes to church, but few actually take Christ's message to heart. This is how society used to be. Before cultural revolutions and before science came up with alternate theories for how the universe came to be, everyone was went to church. But there were still few true Christains.

Now people see that there doesn't need to be God to explain why we are here, and and now not everyone goes to church each week so there is no pressure on the average person to go to church. Therefore, church attendance and belief in God is down. However, this is not all bad. As hard as it is to watch, the nonbelievers are being weeded out, and only those of us alive with the spirit are left. Personally, my home church and my denomination have never been more alive. We are more at work than ever helping our community and the rest of the world.

Also, if you look at the history of the US (can't speak for the rest of the world) we are due for another spiritual revival in the next couple decades. Maybe then people will realize that religion and science aren't in conflict, that Genesis contains metaphores for the big bang and evolution, and that science, while very explanitory does not give us meaning to our lives. Maybe then people will realize that we have a real shot to end poverty in the next generation if we only sieze to oppertunity and have everyone work together.

I am an optimist, and it saddens me both to see good smart people become athiests, and to see good smart christains become close-minded. But just remember that God has a plan for you and if you follow it then the world will become just a little bit better. I guess I'll leave you with this verse that has helped me out often:

"Trust in the Lord with all of your hear, and lean not on your own understandings.

In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will make straight your paths." Proverbs 3:5-6

Acemaster27

I consider myself to be an agnostic atheist. Let's say that i suddenly started believing in god one day. Would i join christianity?(or any other religion). Heck no... Why? Because there are 7*10^22 religions in the world. All claiming to be true interpritation of the word of their God or Gods. Which would lead to the conclusion that all or almost all of them are 100% pure bs.

How is this related to poverty? Don't you think there can be other problems for outsiders with christianity that makes it hard to believe in? Like the all loving God slaughtering children or being unable to forgive a man for eating an apple..... That all people are sinners because of what some other dude did. That God made some people homosexuals (not made them hetero, and they chose to be homsexual to defy God. Which might have made sense), and he dislikes that they are homosexuals. Jesus died for our sins...I never saw the need for that. etc.

Correlation?

Maybe it's because the first time a big percentage the world's population is educated, and people don't have to believe or act in a way dictated by social, religious, and government values.

0starter0

Yep, I'm going to place my money on this one. I think that as time goes by, religion will aswell...in a manner of speaking...

LOGIC is on the rise !!!!!!!!! thank god

[QUOTE="Acemaster27"][QUOTE="balindos"]

The fact that religion is used for so many bad things makes me not believe in it. Yes it has great teachings but scare antics just dont do it for me. As far as Gods opinion we are all bad from the day of birth. What would your life be if religion was never introduced to you like so many other people in this world? Your only belief would be survival and nothing else. We have been fighting wars and each other over a bunch of BS that has been drawn down from our supposed leaders for conquering land and enslavement. I wont believe but I know in my heart that I am a good person and better person than alot of religious people especially born agains. Religion is a distraction of what is really happening in this world just like TV.

balindos

Honestly I would be a much worse person without my religion. Personally I have reasoned that since my conciousness and my body are the only things in this world that I feel, they are all I should care about. That is just how my mind is wired. Thankfully, my religion has taught me otherwise. My religion has taught me to love and care for others, and to realize that there is more to life than the pleasures of the flesh.

I also agree with you, religion should not be used as scare tactics. The fact of the matter is that the church has done so much good in the world and it has healed so many broken people, both physically and emotionally. I see those signs that say "Imagine no religion" with a picture of the twin towers in the background and it makes me sick because the good that religion has done so heavily outweights the bad.

I have always said the bible has good teaching but also the bible has scare tactics and it tells you that you are doomed already. I just feel that the bible was rewritten in a bad way to control people instead of keeping it good as it was at some time. The whole view of a god just doesnt sit well with me because he judges me on whether I beiieve in him or not even if I am a good person. If he wants me to believe in him or Jesus as my saviors then come save people and quit hiding. Right now I believe in me and the people around as my savoirs. The only gods that will save and protect us is us.

Unfortunately too many people have your view of God. But what made me a believer was not fear of going to hell, but rather realizing that I had a savior out there who loved me so very very much and so unconditionally. Think of the parable of the parodigal son (look it up if you don't know it). Religion isn't about damning anyone, its about the father running out to the returning and embracing you even though he has no reason to. Just think about that scene. Father just hugging his filthy, betraying son who had just squandered his wealth, and the father simply being overjoyed at his son being back. It's that kind of raw love that religion preaches.

[QUOTE="balindos"][QUOTE="Acemaster27"][QUOTE="balindos"]

The fact that religion is used for so many bad things makes me not believe in it. Yes it has great teachings but scare antics just dont do it for me. As far as Gods opinion we are all bad from the day of birth. What would your life be if religion was never introduced to you like so many other people in this world? Your only belief would be survival and nothing else. We have been fighting wars and each other over a bunch of BS that has been drawn down from our supposed leaders for conquering land and enslavement. I wont believe but I know in my heart that I am a good person and better person than alot of religious people especially born agains. Religion is a distraction of what is really happening in this world just like TV.

Acemaster27

Honestly I would be a much worse person without my religion. Personally I have reasoned that since my conciousness and my body are the only things in this world that I feel, they are all I should care about. That is just how my mind is wired. Thankfully, my religion has taught me otherwise. My religion has taught me to love and care for others, and to realize that there is more to life than the pleasures of the flesh.

I also agree with you, religion should not be used as scare tactics. The fact of the matter is that the church has done so much good in the world and it has healed so many broken people, both physically and emotionally. I see those signs that say "Imagine no religion" with a picture of the twin towers in the background and it makes me sick because the good that religion has done so heavily outweights the bad.

I have always said the bible has good teaching but also the bible has scare tactics and it tells you that you are doomed already. I just feel that the bible was rewritten in a bad way to control people instead of keeping it good as it was at some time. The whole view of a god just doesnt sit well with me because he judges me on whether I beiieve in him or not even if I am a good person. If he wants me to believe in him or Jesus as my saviors then come save people and quit hiding. Right now I believe in me and the people around as my savoirs. The only gods that will save and protect us is us.

Unfortunately too many people have your view of God. But what made me a believer was not fear of going to hell, but rather realizing that I had a savior out there who loved me so very very much and so unconditionally. Think of the parable of the parodigal son (look it up if you don't know it). Religion isn't about damning anyone, its about the father running out to the returning and embracing you even though he has no reason to. Just think about that scene. Father just hugging his filthy, betraying son who had just squandered his wealth, and the father simply being overjoyed at his son being back. It's that kind of raw love that religion preaches.

Ok maybe in church that is what is preached but as I remember the bible has God asking To kill your first son to prove that you believe in him. That is not the kind of father I would like to have and I would never speak to my father again. For my father to tell me I have done wrong when I havent done anything isnt right at all. Like I said there are some good teaching but if there is a god he is on this planet right now but he is a living man not a supreme being and he is more like the devil than anything else.

I guess we'll find out why in the afterlife.xMOBSTER23x

Why did you bump this thread?

[QUOTE="xMOBSTER23x"]I guess we'll find out why in the afterlife.The_Ish

Why did you bump this thread?

Because this is the internet and so we need to argue about things. Anyone wanna start a football vs. soccer next?

Because this is the internet and so we need to argue about things. Anyone wanna start a football vs. soccer next?

Acemaster27

There are a lot more recent threads that try to discuss the same issue. His post doesn't even address anything.

I have always said the bible has good teaching but also the bible has scare tactics and it tells you that you are doomed already. I just feel that the bible was rewritten in a bad way to control people instead of keeping it good as it was at some time. The whole view of a god just doesnt sit well with me because he judges me on whether I beiieve in him or not even if I am a good person. If he wants me to believe in him or Jesus as my saviors then come save people and quit hiding. Right now I believe in me and the people around as my savoirs. The only gods that will save and protect us is us.

I agree with you. The heaven or paradise one may speak, to me, is your experiences on earth. i believe the "fork in the road" occurs when people are afriad of "no life after death". Live for the moment and don't be so scared, when you die. You won;t realize it because your gone. So it's ok.

People make personal decisions through personal experience.

I have a lot of reasons to believe there is a God, but I could see how someone wouldn't carry that faith.
It's none of my business, either, just like my religion or my hobbies are none of theirs.

You'd be suprised how LITTLE conflict we'd have if everyone on Earth just decided to mind their own.

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

Converted to Atheism? You make it sound like we have a church, or go door-to-door telling 'Hello, Brother, have you heard the good news?'

And is it bad for someone to not have a belief, or not believe in an afterlife?

Converted to Atheism? You make it sound like we have a church, or go door-to-door telling 'Hello, Brother, have you heard the good news?'

JohnnySN1P3R

Unfortunately, that's sort of what Richard Dawkins and the like are doing.

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

The Bible teaches that the Antichrist will preach athiesm as his sole religion to the world. This is just making the way for him, in end times we'll see billions more people convert to athiesm than there are now.

Well I truely respect everyones decision in life, but like all of my friends have converted to atheism, I for one am not going to convert, but I am also not that kind of person who beleives every single thing in the bibile and reads the bible 24/7 and beleive in creationism, but I do not see the point of atheism. Can anyone tell me why is this happening? Its like the whole world is being over run with people without a belief of a afterlife.antonius05

The bible and western religion is way outdated. It is time to come up with something new. Don't be afraid to think outside the box, cause that is what the folks who wrote the bible did.eggdog1234

Wow, really well said!!!!

i think religion helps people find a reason in life. atheists find they dont need that anymore. NaiKoN9293

I am an atheist and have found a purpose in life. No religion was needed.

Also, I believe that atheism (perhaps agnosticism) is becoming more popular because more and more people are being taught to think critically. Simply taking holy scriptures as irrefutable truths goes against what we are being taught. I can't say this is the case in the USA, I have never lived or even visited it but it is like this where I live.

why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoevershakmaster13

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoeverespoac

read the meaning of agnostic and came back i'm not sure which i am

I posted in this thread the first day it was made...... a year ago.

Oh how the time flies.

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoevertony2077ca

read the meaning of agnostic and come back

[QUOTE="tony2077ca"]

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoeverespoac

read the meaning of agnostic and come back

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"]

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoevertony2077ca

read the meaning of agnostic and come back

[QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"]

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoeverespoac

read the meaning of agnostic and come back

i'm weak

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="tony2077ca"]

[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="shakmaster13"]why not just be agnostic rather than athiest. it seems more LOGICAL to me to say that you don't know whether God exists or not rather than just say God doesn't exist without any proof of it whatsoevertony2077ca

read the meaning of agnostic and come back

i'm weak

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I am a teapot atheist because I don't believe in any theistic god, supernatural intelligence, afterlife, or anything beyond the natural universe. This is a belief gathered due to the sheer lack of evidence for those beliefs that I reject. [QUOTE="antonius05"]Yah, but would you really rather beleive in dying and nothing after that then heaven and hell? ( i think i just answered my own question but w/e).TMontana1004

Because people are getting dumber by the minute.Bubba-louiy

[QUOTE="Greedo_What"]Because not havinga religion = the new cool thing to do. First NES, then Backstreet boys... Now it's Atheism!Bubba-louiy

Religon threads....why did you make one?-Rail_Man-

lmao ur final response is so true

lol

[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="Zagrius"]

Just because you decided it's illogical doesn't make it so. You don't need reasons to not believe in something, just like you don't need a beverage to not drink. There's no supernatural phenomena which is known to exist. Even if it's super-natural, it could leave physical evidence (for instance, if magic was real, you would be able to see people hurling fireballs and levitating and doing all sorts of crazy things which break the laws of physics, and if those fireballs hit something you would be able to tell that whatever it was was scorched/burned/whatever).

GodLovesDead

I didn't decide it's illogical; I gave logical reasons as to why it is illogical.

"You don't need reasons to not believe in something" Yes you do.:| Otherwise, it is--surprise!--illogical.;) Unless you want to admit that belief in something without reason is also logical. Then I'll conciede.

It could leave physical evidence? Then that evidence would have to be natural, and thus would be able to be interpreted in many different, natural ways, without the original cause ever being needed.

Sorry bro, even if I don't possess all the knowledge in the universe, why do I need think he exists just because we don't know everything to be known? Not only thats idiotic, but it's also smartassed too. Why believe in him if he has not influence in our reality? You guys are just wasting your lives with false beliefs because your mommies and daddies were taught to believe in god, just like you guys. And you're too stubborn to admit it.

Beleiving in God is more comforting to him, it gives him a reason for existence, and a comforting way to deal with his fear of death. Ignorance is bliss.

I don't get it either, but they're entitled to their opinions.6_volts

You don't get what? Why atheists believe in logic or why Christians dont?

;)