Atheists...

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]I dont believe in eternity or millions of years of punishment.

And with your first point, that's the problem with this life.You DONT know whether you will live 75 years or not,you could very well just expire in the middle of it,you could just be working on something big and end up dying in the middle of it.That's why this life is rather worthless.

Thinker_reborn

Much like I would imagine, in case my current bank account got ...bankrupt, that I had a second one with a billion dollars in it.

It sures sounds comforting but ...just comforting nothing more. You can't base the reason as to why something exists on your desire for it to exist...

Infact it's your insecurity screaming right now, you dont wanna tell yourself that this life is worthless when it's so true,YOU are the one trying to run away from reality!!

Relax. The way you respond makes me think that you are the one who is insecure. I didn't blame you for your insecurity. It's not bad having feelings. Sorry if you took it that way, but it's not my fault.

So your belief that this life is worthless has come out of you studying religions? That's one hell of a survey you made!

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="DJ_Novakain"]If you have nothing to live for other than your faith, you must be a pretty damn pathetic person. xaos

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[QUOTE="Teenaged"]So you compensate for your insecurity in this life by desperately hoping there is an afterlife.

Much like I would imagine, in case my current bank account got ...bankrupt, that I had a second one with a billion dollars in it.

It sures sounds comforting but ...just comforting nothing more. You can't base the reason as to why something exists on your desire for it to exist...

Teenaged

Infact it's your insecurity screaming right now, you dont wanna tell yourself that this life is worthless when it's so true,YOU are the one trying to run away from reality!!

Relax. The way you respond makes me think that you are the one who is insecure. I didn't blame you for your insecurity. It's not bad having feelings. Sorry if you took it that way, but it's not my fault.

So your belief that this life is worthless has come out of you studying religions? That's one hell of a survey you made!

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Thankz for assuming all that out of your ass,like I just hope for it ya have never studied any religion and never gave deep thought into it,and just keep on desperately hoping for it.:roll:

Infact it's your insecurity screaming right now, you dont wanna tell yourself that this life is worthless when it's so true,YOU are the one trying to run away from reality!!

Thinker_reborn

Relax. The way you respond makes me think that you are the one who is insecure. I didn't blame you for your insecurity. It's not bad having feelings. Sorry if you took it that way, but it's not my fault.

So your belief that this life is worthless has come out of you studying religions? That's one hell of a survey you made!

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

And don't get me started about what religion says about certain things. The Bible even approves slavery. Do you abide with everything religions say? Religions are man-made, I won't say it again. If you ignore that then you surely ignore the meaning of this life.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]

Relax. The way you respond makes me think that you are the one who is insecure. I didn't blame you for your insecurity. It's not bad having feelings. Sorry if you took it that way, but it's not my fault.

So your belief that this life is worthless has come out of you studying religions? That's one hell of a survey you made!

Teenaged

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

And don't get me started about what religion says about certain things. The Bible even approves slavery. Do you abide with everything religions say? Religions are man-made, I won't say it again. If you ignore that then you surely ignore the meaning of this life.

Hmm ok bible may say that but I dont believe in it,I am a Muslim.No religion's are not man-made,they were made by man who were guided by God.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Thankz for assuming all that out of your ass,like I just hope for it ya have never studied any religion and never gave deep thought into it,and just keep on desperately hoping for it.:roll:

Infact it's your insecurity screaming right now, you dont wanna tell yourself that this life is worthless when it's so true,YOU are the one trying to run away from reality!!

Thinker_reborn

Relax. The way you respond makes me think that you are the one who is insecure. I didn't blame you for your insecurity. It's not bad having feelings. Sorry if you took it that way, but it's not my fault.

So your belief that this life is worthless has come out of you studying religions? That's one hell of a survey you made!

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

Athiests can have plenty of reasons to live. You have hedonistic pleasures like food and love. Then you have things like knowledge, intellect, wisdom, and science. You don't need faith to live a fulfilling life. To quote John Stuart Mill; I'd rather be a human dissatisfied than a swine content.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]No,my belief that there is an afterlife has come after studying religion.

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

Thinker_reborn

And don't get me started about what religion says about certain things. The Bible even approves slavery. Do you abide with everything religions say? Religions are man-made, I won't say it again. If you ignore that then you surely ignore the meaning of this life.

Hmm ok bible may say that but I dont believe in it,I am a Muslim.No religion's are not man-made,they were made by man who were guided by God.

Off-course it's in your hand in a significant enough percentage. Your view is very pessimistic.

And again don't get me started with Islam and it's Holy Wars and it's belief that all infidels must die (I don't if that still stands, though, but sure some extremists do it). Sure Christianity had it's share of wars but Islam ain't no perfect religion;)

And I will try to say this in very simple words: You have no proof that God (any of the known) guided the people to write scripture. I don't have evidence for the oppsite but the burdain of proof is on the one who comes up with the imaginary friend in the first place, not the one who (reasonably) doesn't see him.

No,my belief that there is an afterlife has come after studying religion.

And you dont need to study religion to know that this life is worthless.I'll ask you how worth is life when you approach old age..

Thinker_reborn

Perfect answer right here.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Perfect answer right here.Most_Dedicated

My faith doesn't really govern every choice I make in life. It doesn't drive me to get out of bed or force me to go down to the shop to buy some milk. There can actually go a full day without me giving God a single thought. My point is that you don't NEED to believe in something greater than science to live, you only need it if you want to say that life isn't point-less.Hungry_bunny

[QUOTE="Most_Dedicated"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Perfect answer right here.Immortalica

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Perfect answer right here.Most_Dedicated

[QUOTE="Most_Dedicated"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"]Perfect answer right here.SpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Immortalica"][QUOTE="Most_Dedicated"] Hey man you have an awesome avatarMost_Dedicated

Nevermind friends, family, loved ones, or the impact and legacy I leave for the world, apparently atheists have NOTHING to live for. All that stuff I mentioned has no value or meaning at all......

Seriously this is probably the lamest criticism of atheism in at least 3 minutes,...

Hey, you don't have to believe in God to see that life is good. Yea, it isn't always fair, it can be rough and there are lots of painful patches. But being is better than not being, life gives us the chance to experience.Insane00

[QUOTE="Most_Dedicated"] Hey thanks man, I like it too. lol Maybe I'll check out that film. That looks interestingSpruceCaboose

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]My faith doesn't really govern every choice I make in life. It doesn't drive me to get out of bed or force me to go down to the shop to buy some milk. There can actually go a full day without me giving God a single thought. My point is that you don't NEED to believe in something greater than science to live, you only need it if you want to say that life isn't point-less.xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]My faith doesn't really govern every choice I make in life. It doesn't drive me to get out of bed or force me to go down to the shop to buy some milk. There can actually go a full day without me giving God a single thought. My point is that you don't NEED to believe in something greater than science to live, you only need it if you want to say that life isn't point-less.Hungry_bunny

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="xaos"] I would even take issue with that; I don't believe that religious faith is the only thing that can say that there is a point to life.Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]If there isn't an after-life... then it's just mating for the sake of mating until the Universe explodes, isn't it?Hungry_bunny

The thing is that I don't find these things to be "just enough" for your life to have a meaning. It doesn't matter if the world will be finito in billions of years. I will only try and live my life as fully as I can. Surely an afterlife sounds comforting through all the difficulties in life but it's what you give meaning to in the end. Go read my long response in the Atheism U under the topic "What's the meaning of life". I'm very proud of it. :P Besides it's 2:25 in the morning here so I'd better give you an answer I wrote when I wasn't sleepy, than elaborating right now:P

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]No, you can still cherish life. Maybe the meaning of life is life itself, the pleasures, the emotions, the difficulties, the rewards, the relationships with others.Teenaged

The thing is that I don't find these things to be "just enough" for your life to have a meaning. It doesn't matter if the world will be finito in billions of years. I will only try and live my life as fully as I can. Surely an afterlife sounds comforting through all the difficulties in life but it's what you give meaning to in the end. Go read my long response in the Atheism U under the topic "What's the meaning of life". I'm very proud of it. :P Besides it's 2:25 in the morning here so I'd better give you an answer I wrote when I wasn't sleepy, than elaborating right now:P

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[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]Well, obviously there are reasons to why you should continue to live, I'm not saying that you should stop breathing now. I'm just saying that in the end, maybe billions of years from now, everything that we and our descendants ever did will probably be completely erased from the face of the Universe. There won't even be a single trace of us and nobody will remember or know about the time we spent here... sorry if I'm sounding a bit emo :PHungry_bunny

The thing is that I don't find these things to be "just enough" for your life to have a meaning. It doesn't matter if the world will be finito in billions of years. I will only try and live my life as fully as I can. Surely an afterlife sounds comforting through all the difficulties in life but it's what you give meaning to in the end. Go read my long response in the Atheism U under the topic "What's the meaning of life". I'm very proud of it. :P Besides it's 2:25 in the morning here so I'd better give you an answer I wrote when I wasn't sleepy, than elaborating right now:P

If you have nothing to live for other than your faith, you must be a pretty damn pathetic person. DJ_Novakain

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]My faith doesn't really govern every choice I make in life. It doesn't drive me to get out of bed or force me to go down to the shop to buy some milk. There can actually go a full day without me giving God a single thought. My point is that you don't NEED to believe in something greater than science to live, you only need it if you want to say that life isn't point-less.Hungry_bunny

You know im an agnostic person but I was thinking about atheists. I mean what, as an atheist, do you value in life seeing as there is not really any point in it for you to live? What is the point of staying alive if there is nothing. Im not bashing your beliefs or anything because i feel the same way. Non-atheists see that there is a point but as atheist or agnostics we really don't.

gongytron

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]No not at all :P .

The thing is that I don't find these things to be "just enough" for your life to have a meaning. It doesn't matter if the world will be finito in billions of years. I will only try and live my life as fully as I can. Surely an afterlife sounds comforting through all the difficulties in life but it's what you give meaning to in the end. Go read my long response in the Atheism U under the topic "What's the meaning of life". I'm very proud of it. :P Besides it's 2:25 in the morning here so I'd better give you an answer I wrote when I wasn't sleepy, than elaborating right now:P

Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]That's Okay, it's 1:30am here so I might be too tired to absorb it this night :PHungry_bunny

It seems like you and TC both regard the notion of a lasting impact on the world as being crucial to meaning. That's not at all my view, but either view is kind of axiomatic, so I doubt we can get anywhere other than acknowledging that we have different basic notions of what constitutes meaningxaos

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Where do you live?Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]Sweden... it's been dark over 7-8 hours now i think >.>Hungry_bunny

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh, you are some hundred miles above me! WOW!Teenaged

[QUOTE="Teenaged"][QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"]The power of Internet :PHungry_bunny

[QUOTE="Hungry_bunny"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]It's just that I thought that because it's very late there will mostly be Americans in the forums at the moment.Teenaged