Atheists.... do you have any morals? If so, how do you define them.

Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. DrSponge

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] And he wants us to cure his ingorance of the subject. What is so loathsome about that?DrSponge

The answer to his question is blatently obvious...

Well yeah, but by now he should know that morality isn't based on religion.

[QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. CptJSparrow

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. james28893

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] And he wants us to cure his ingorance of the subject. What is so loathsome about that?CptJSparrow

The answer to his question is blatently obvious...

Well yeah, but by now he should know that morality isn't based on religion.

By not understanding how we can do good when we have no divine punishment or divine law, he is implying that he thinks morality is based on religion until someone explains otherwise.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"] And he wants us to cure his ingorance of the subject. What is so loathsome about that?DrSponge

The answer to his question is blatently obvious...

Well yeah, but by now he should know that morality isn't based on religion.

By not understanding how we can do good when we have no divine punishment or divine law, he is implying that he thinks morality is based on religion until someone explains otherwise.

If athiest don't have morals then why are there more religious people in prison for murder, rape, and the llike then there are athiests.

This whole thing about how athiest have no morals is a bunch of crap. Gorillas don't go around killing their own and as far as I know there is no such thing as a Gorilla religion. Morality is something that is in our genetic code. You don't get it from a book.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. CptJSparrow

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

It's basic human instinct to get revenge on your enemies for whatever they did, some people forgive and forget, some people drag it on. Say someone murders your son, you then want to kill him, but in other cases, killing someone wouldn't be seen as moral. Morals are relative. What I was trying to say when I said morals are common sense is that we just automatically know if something is right or wrong, unless you're a psychopath or something. Morals are what seperates us from most animals.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. CptJSparrow

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

Well, say someone hurt someone I know, I would obviously resent them. However if I attacked him, or perhaps if I even onyl harboured resentment towards him, I would guess that he might harm me, so I would choose to forgive him, so as not to get myself hurt, all about the survival instinct.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. james28893

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

Well, say someone hurt someone I know, I would obviously resent them. However if I attacked him, or perhaps if I even onyl harboured resentment towards him, I would guess that he might harm me, so I would choose to forgive him, so as not to get myself hurt, all about the survival instinct.

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[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]Morality is basically common sense. Say you are walking down the road, and you see a dying baby on the sidewalk. Your first instinct is to help it. CptJSparrow

I don't forgive enemies. It is not necessarily morally correct to forgive one's enemies.

Well, say someone hurt someone I know, I would obviously resent them. However if I attacked him, or perhaps if I even onyl harboured resentment towards him, I would guess that he might harm me, so I would choose to forgive him, so as not to get myself hurt, all about the survival instinct.

Being used means I don't die then yeah I'm ok with it. If I had elp then I would do something about it.

It's basic human instinct to get revenge on your enemies for whatever they did, some people forgive and forget, some people drag it on. Say someone murders your son, you then want to kill him, but in other cases, killing someone wouldn't be seen as moral. Morals are relative. What I was trying to say when I said morals are common sense is that we just automatically know if something is right or wrong, unless you're a psychopath or something. Morals are what seperates us from most animals.DrSponge

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]I see. Letting enemies use you is common sense.james28893

Being used means I don't die then yeah I'm ok with it. If I had elp then I would do something about it.

Let me drop a quote on joo peoples

"Every one of us ... has met the criticism that in ethics we humanists (atheists -OP) live on Christian capital, that our moral attitudes are derived from Christianity. I believe this to be utterly wrong and that, on the contrary what goes for modern Christian ethics is in fact derived from humanist values. For most of its history Christianity was red in tooth and claw ... it is only in the last couple of centuries that Christian attitudes have gradually become 'civilized' and humane. Why? [Because of] the rise of humanism and skepticism. We have given Christianity its modern face, which often quotes the very nice things Jesus is reported to have said, and carefully omits the nasty sayings such as "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is whithered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.'" - Sir Hermann Bondi

So, the question is .... Christians .... do you have any morals of your own? Or are they just borrowed from us :P

[QUOTE="DrSponge"]It's basic human instinct to get revenge on your enemies for whatever they did, some people forgive and forget, some people drag it on. Say someone murders your son, you then want to kill him, but in other cases, killing someone wouldn't be seen as moral. Morals are relative. What I was trying to say when I said morals are common sense is that we just automatically know if something is right or wrong, unless you're a psychopath or something. Morals are what seperates us from most animals.CptJSparrow

Well psychopaths usually kill people, which isn't seen as moral in our eyes but may seem perfectly moral to them. Our morals are different to non human animals morals.

Even though I'm religious, I don't base my morals on my religion. I personally feel that there are more things to worry about than taking the Lord's name in vain or being envious of other people's possessions.

I take my morals from my personal conscience, how my mum brought me up and the law of the United Kingdom.

I'm not trying to be mean. I just don't understand what Atheists base their morals off of. What defines your moral code? I imagine it varies from person to person, however, I am really interested in what you have to say. Now, for those of you might take my question as being offensive - I'm not trying to be. I'm being 100% serious when asking this question.

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to me, my morals are based on what I see is right. Not what a religion tells me is right, but what I, as an individual, see.

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="DrSponge"]It's basic human instinct to get revenge on your enemies for whatever they did, some people forgive and forget, some people drag it on. Say someone murders your son, you then want to kill him, but in other cases, killing someone wouldn't be seen as moral. Morals are relative. What I was trying to say when I said morals are common sense is that we just automatically know if something is right or wrong, unless you're a psychopath or something. Morals are what seperates us from most animals.DrSponge

Well psychopaths usually kill people, which isn't seen as moral in our eyes but may seem perfectly moral to them. Our morals are different to non human animals morals.