Atheists smarter than theists?

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[QUOTE="SNIPER4321"] i dont think before darwin there were any athiests.. SNIPER4321

And once again you're staggeringly, ignorantly wrong. Atheism dates back to ancient Greece (at least), but if you're simply refering to atheism in the Christian/Islamic era then their have been publically outspoken atheists since the 1600s.

Clearly you've never heard of someone like Archimedes, who lived nearly a thousand years before the advent of Islam. Or is this the part where you say everyone is Muslim whether they submit or not?

The only way to test this is to see if more atheists or more theists have responded to Sniper. Ace6301

It's not if they responded, it's how.

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The only way to test this is to see if more atheists or more theists have responded to Sniper. WiiCubeM1

It's not if they responded, it's how.

This forum normally suggests otherwise.

WiiCubeM1

awwww snap

[QUOTE="Ace6301"]The only way to test this is to see if more atheists or more theists have responded to Sniper. WiiCubeM1

It's not if they responded, it's how.

In the past most of the populations were religious....and scientists did exist then.:|LJS9502_basic

You are a f*cking idiot and this claim of your has been debunked more than once.worlock77

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]In the past most of the populations were religious....and scientists did exist then.:|foxhound_fox

Which actually has nothing to do with whether religious scientists existed or not.....swing and a miss.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="worlock77"]You are a f*cking idiot and this claim of your has been debunked more than once.foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Which actually has nothing to do with whether religious scientists existed or not.....swing and a miss.foxhound_fox

Are you drunk or something/LJS9502_basic

Let's all thank sniper for actually providing first hand evidence for the OP :D

A battle of great minds ITT.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Are you drunk or something/foxhound_fox

You haven't addressed anything....which isn't surprising because you can't.LJS9502_basic

Let's all thank sniper for actually providing first hand evidence for the OP :D

wis3boi

Atheist don't believe in God for the wrong reason (that God had/has/will sprinkle magic on their puny human life, and it hasn't happened yet). Theist believe in the God for the wrong reason (that God had/has/will sprinkle magic on their puny human life, and it already happened to fellow believers). Few religious people truly believe in God because they simply do, knowing the meaning of faith has nothing to do with all the miracle and magic. magicalclick

As for intelligence, I don't know how one can gauge this. I am MS CS degree from a good UC school, but, I have terrible memory. Back in the days, my classmate got frustrated why I keep asking dumb question and can't remember a lot of things, and yet, I do better in the end. Aside from horrible memory, I am very bad at human interaction intelligence, plus lack of dedication and precision in muscle and breath control. While this is not the same definition as typical human, but, my definition of intelligence is much more general. Aside from typical school smart, I see intelligence in street smart, finance, human interactions, art, cooking, music, sports all requires high level of intelligent. I dislike to gauge one's intelligence. It doesn't equate to success, dedications, passion, creativeness, competitiveness. Ultimately, if you are good at one thing and able to market it, that's all I care, because that means you efficiently cash out your skills instead of wasting your life away.magicalclick

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Let's all thank sniper for actually providing first hand evidence for the OP :D

themajormayor

this implies I actually think half this board is serious...this includes you

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

Let's all thank sniper for actually providing first hand evidence for the OP :D

wis3boi

this implies I actually think half this board is serious...this includes you

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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Regardless of whether or not atheists have a greater education statistically than theists does not correlate with one being true or false. That stated, I'd rather be seen as a fool who loves Jesus than a great intellectual who does not.TacticalDesire

Can we just agree that you're an all around dumbass?

Mindstorm is actually one of the more intelligent and reasonable religious users I've ever seen on the internet.

Agreed
No need to be a fvckwit trib

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[QUOTE="themajormayor"] Due to lower intelligence, atheists gets trolled very easily.heeweesRus

this implies I actually think half this board is serious...this includes you

I dont get it...must be something tweens are into

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]Regardless of whether or not atheists have a greater education statistically than theists does not correlate with one being true or false. That stated, I'd rather be seen as a fool who loves Jesus than a great intellectual who does not.TacticalDesire

Can we just agree that you're an all around dumbass?

Mindstorm is actually one of the more intelligent and reasonable religious users I've ever seen on the internet.

Mmmmmm...depends on the subject.  I guess if you're comparing him to Snipes then yeah, he's intelligent.  He's not a full-blown fundie, but he can get pretty ridiculous at times.

[QUOTE="junglist101"]Out of sincere curiosity I would like to ask have you ever objectively weighed the evidence for Christianity vs other religions vs atheism?  And I mean really objectively;  a search to discover the truth regardless of the outcome?

mindstorm

Age 12: I remember asking my mother what a Christian was. Her response, "We are." I wasn't satisfied with the answer but simply went with it. At this point any form of Christianity I ascribed to was more a matter of gaining public acceptance rather than actual obedience towards God.
Ages 14-18: I questioned every miracle within the Bible. I was a theistic evolutionist and sought to find naturalistic reasons for events in the Bible. The only miracle that I believed was necessary for Christianity to be true was Jesus' resurrection. Though I was near agnostic in my understanding of things I was perceived by others as being a devout Christian. The public approval was my reasoning for following Jesus.
18-21: I became a religious zealot. Quickly turning from theistic evolution to Young Earth Creationism I became very arrogant and prideful. I studied the Scriptures and evidences for the faith not because of the truth I found in them but because they made me feel superior to those I was argue with. I was prideful, arrogant, and did not acknowledge the hateful person I was becoming. I read a lot during this time but it was not objectively, it was with pride and a desire to win debates.
21: Through a life crisis I had to reevaluate myself. My Christianity before this point was simply a means to make myself feel superior. During this time my faith had a restart. I began to question who I was, what I was doing, and why I was doing it. Because of my time studying the evidences of Christianity previously those evidences had a different impact on me. I acknowledged that if Christianity was true then I ought to be living differently than I had.
21-now (26): My faith is now my own. I do not follow Jesus because of a family member or because of my church. I follow Jesus because I am convinced that the testimony within the Bible regarding Jesus is true.

The unfortunate thing about the bible(and really most any religion) is that they all have stop-gap measures in place to prevent questions and free thinking.  None the less, I encourage you to check out opposing views.  

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]In the past most of the populations were religious....and scientists did exist then.:|foxhound_fox

Similiarly with christianity. You could be prossecuted in medieval times and during XV-th century, but after and before that hardly anyone cared if you were not religous.

Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

EagleEyedOne

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Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]

Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

AdrianWerner

Depends on what you mean by ideological.  Atheists are at least less indebted to dogma than theists, if not completely immune.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that atheists are in need of some sort of shared set of beliefs/doctrine.

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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]

Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

junglist101

Irony

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]

Defining yourself as apart of an ideological faction alienates yourself from intellectual freedom. I'd rather separete myself from such decision.

theone86

Depends on what you mean by ideological.  Atheists are at least less indebted to dogma than theists, if not completely immune.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that atheists are in need of some sort of shared set of beliefs/doctrine.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Atheists are nowadays close to being an ideological faction 

EagleEyedOne

Depends on what you mean by ideological.  Atheists are at least less indebted to dogma than theists, if not completely immune.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that atheists are in need of some sort of shared set of beliefs/doctrine.

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]Atheists are nowadays close to being an ideological faction 

chaoscougar1

Irony

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Depends on what you mean by ideological.  Atheists are at least less indebted to dogma than theists, if not completely immune.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that atheists are in need of some sort of shared set of beliefs/doctrine.

theone86

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

My main belief is that people don't need to imposing what they believe to be right spiritually upon other people. Now, when we start getting into the punishments for crimes like for stealing, such as chopping off hands for burglary, that is a different story.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="theone86"]

Depends on what you mean by ideological.  Atheists are at least less indebted to dogma than theists, if not completely immune.  Frankly, I'm of the opinion that atheists are in need of some sort of shared set of beliefs/doctrine.

theone86

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Atheists need lo let their argument speak for itself rather than imposing their passion of defiance against the doctrine of religion they argue against.junglist101

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Atheists need lo let their argument speak for itself rather than imposing their passion of defiance against the doctrine of religion they argue against.EagleEyedOne

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

Personally, I find it very hard to have an ontological disagreement on religion and god.  If I go into a church and start insulting them then fine, I'm being an ass.  However, when people engage atheists on the subject of god then I think it becomes more of a "scientific" discussion, in other words people have to become disengaged.  I find that a lot of religious people find it hard to become disengaged and have a truly critical discussion on the subject of religion (although some atheists have the same problem).  So yeah, I'm not into beating the religious over the head with atheism (actually, I'm a closet atheist myself with my family), but sometimes I think the relgiious sort of cry wolf on this issue.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"] Atheists need lo let their argument speak for itself rather than imposing their passion of defiance against the doctrine of religion they argue against.EagleEyedOne

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"][QUOTE="theone86"]

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

theone86

Personally, I find it very hard to have an ontological disagreement on religion and god.  If I go into a church and start insulting them then fine, I'm being an ass.  However, when people engage atheists on the subject of god then I think it becomes more of a "scientific" discussion, in other words people have to become disengaged.  I find that a lot of religious people find it hard to become disengaged and have a truly critical discussion on the subject of religion (although some atheists have the same problem).  So yeah, I'm not into beating the religious over the head with atheism (actually, I'm a closet atheist myself with my family), but sometimes I think the relgiious sort of cry wolf on this issue.

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]

[QUOTE="theone86"]

On one hand I can see that, on the other I can't.  I can see that atheism is a disparate set of beliefs and certain atheists need to stop imposing dogma.  What I mean, though, was that I think that atheists need to develop an alternative, show that spirituality isn't confined to religion and doesn't leave the room when people start rejecting deities.  I don't think that rejecting, even vehemently, the idea of a god is necessarily a bad thing.  I do think that telling people what they can and can't think is.

junglist101