Atheists who live a good life donot deserve paradise just cuz of that!

I always hear this silly argument that atheists who live a good life and are good human beings should also go to paradise.Now why should they?What have they done to deserve it?

They lived a life their own way and they were good cuz they wanted to be.That way life was most enjoyable for them so they didnt sacrifice much by being good.And since when was religion only asking you to be good and not murder,rape etc?

You are also supposed to sacrifice the worldy pleasures that God has forbidden you like no sex before marriage,not eating/drinking stuff which is prohibited,spending some of your precious time in worshipping God and attending religious worships and I could go on with this.

Somebody who doesnt even have the heart to rape,rob or murder cannot be considered good for not doing such activities cuz he never had a choice.If someone geniounly finds peace and happiness in helping a poor and needy person then again they are not necessarily good for doing that cuz they did it for their own selfish reason.

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

metroidfood

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[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

NightStalkerBX

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People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

metroidfood

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="NightStalkerBX"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

DrSponge

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Yes, I know.  Such is the way of OT...  =(

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

You are also supposed to sacrifice the worldy pleasures that God has forbidden you like no sex before marriage,not eating/drinking stuff which is prohibited,spending some of your precious time in worshipping God and attending religious worships and I could go on with this.Thinker_reborn

Whether or not this is true, it isn't your right to decide. The Bible states, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". Eddie5vs1

Since you presume that all atheists are acting nice because it feels good how can you presume that all religious people are acting out of moral altruism?

religious belief is not a prerequisite to selflessness nor it is it a sign of it. How can you presume atheists do not act out of real kindness or make sacrifices for the good of others?

faith has nothing to do with wiether or not a persons good actions were truly good or not. Its not a factor in it at all.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

DrSponge

And btw it's not just the fear of God but also love and respect for Him.

But the fact is that if I dont do something bad cuz God has forbidden me then even though I am still being selfish,I am ultimately doing it for God and sacrficng my immediate pleasure infornt of my eyes for a better afterlife that I havent even seen.

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

Pirate700

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

Thinker_reborn

I am a muslim, and I can tell you, He's definitely wrong. Allah (swt) will allow ANYONE to go to paradise because He is just and fair.

Since we believe in the Qiyama (Judgement Day), people will only go to heaven if they are good people(overall)/children/ill people. Muslims and non-muslims alike.

So please, Thinker_Reborn, if you plan on making a topic, think it through.

Why is sacrifice a prerequisite for being worthy of heaven? I'm not going to get into an argument about what constitutes a selfless action with you, but if you didn't believe in an afterlife, would you still behave the same way?jimmyjammer69

I will however eat everything that I want to,have sex whenever I can,use illegal means to earn if it is safe to do so etc.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Why is sacrifice a prerequisite for being worthy of heaven? I'm not going to get into an argument about what constitutes a selfless action with you, but if you didn't believe in an afterlife, would you still behave the same way?Thinker_reborn

I will however eat everything that I want to,have sex whenever I can,use illegal means to earn if it is safe to do so etc.

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Why is sacrifice a prerequisite for being worthy of heaven? I'm not going to get into an argument about what constitutes a selfless action with you, but if you didn't believe in an afterlife, would you still behave the same way?Thinker_reborn

I will however eat everything that I want to,have sex whenever I can,use illegal means to earn if it is safe to do so etc.

I am a muslim, and I can tell you, He's definitely wrong. Allah (swt) will allow ANYONE to go to paradise because He is just and fair.

Since we believe in the Qiyama (Judgement Day), people will only go to heaven if they are good people(overall)/children/ill people. Muslims and non-muslims alike.

So please, Thinker_Reborn, if you plan on making a topic, think it through.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Wonder why are they self-motivated to do that?It's cuz that's what gives them happiness.They are just being selfish.If their selfishness brings good to other people then dont just assume that they are doing something good.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="DrSponge"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Wonder why are they self-motivated to do that?It's cuz that's what gives them happiness.They are just being selfish.If their selfishness brings good to other people then dont just assume that they are doing something good.Thinker_reborn

And btw it's not just the fear of God but also love and respect for Him.

But the fact is that if I dont do something bad cuz God has forbidden me then even though I am still being selfish,I am ultimately doing it for God and sacrficng my immediate pleasure infornt of my eyes for a better afterlife that I havent even seen.

Then wouldn't an atheist be even more good because he did it not out of expectation of some eternal reward after death? I'm an atheist and I sure don't do good things to "feel good" I do it out of true humanity and I feel good afterward but thats not why I did it. I'm not gonna sacrifice a night in a homeless shelter to "feel good" I would do it because I wanna help homeess people for the sake of helping people.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Why is sacrifice a prerequisite for being worthy of heaven? I'm not going to get into an argument about what constitutes a selfless action with you, but if you didn't believe in an afterlife, would you still behave the same way?xhellcatx

I will however eat everything that I want to,have sex whenever I can,use illegal means to earn if it is safe to do so etc.

What he means by that is ignoring the islamic dietary laws (which are quite similar to the jewish dietary laws). 

[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Why is sacrifice a prerequisite for being worthy of heaven? I'm not going to get into an argument about what constitutes a selfless action with you, but if you didn't believe in an afterlife, would you still behave the same way?Thinker_reborn

I will however eat everything that I want to,have sex whenever I can,use illegal means to earn if it is safe to do so etc.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

I am a muslim, and I can tell you, He's definitely wrong. Allah (swt) will allow ANYONE to go to paradise because He is just and fair.

Since we believe in the Qiyama (Judgement Day), people will only go to heaven if they are good people(overall)/children/ill people. Muslims and non-muslims alike.

So please, Thinker_Reborn, if you plan on making a topic, think it through.

Eddie5vs1

"ANYONE" was just an overstatement. :P

But all I am trying to say is that non-muslims can also go to heaven(of course provided he/she has the requirements). That's all. The TC made it sound like no non-muslims may go to heaven. 

An atheist has no feelings on the afterlife as an atheist doesn't believe in the afterlife.

Therefore, whoever spoke to you was not an atheist, but a person with a confused mindstate who didn't know what to think and believe.

An atheist does not believe in God, therefore they put no value on the Christian afterlife, or any afterlife, for that matter, as they do not care.

I am a muslim, and I can tell you, He's definitely wrong. Allah (swt) will allow ANYONE to go to paradise because He is just and fair.

Since we believe in the Qiyama (Judgement Day), people will only go to heaven if they are good people(overall)/children/ill people. Muslims and non-muslims alike.

So please, Thinker_Reborn, if you plan on making a topic, think it through.

"ANYONE" was just an overstatement. :P

But all I am trying to say is that non-muslims can also go to heaven(of course provided he/she has the requirements). That's all. The TC made it sound like no non-muslims may go to heaven. 

THere is no heaven or hell, if you are a good person good thing will happen to you in life in deathbsman00

Actually, if that post is trying to say that if you're a good person you get your dues, thats a lie. A big lie.

People almost never get what they deserve if they're good people.

[QUOTE="bsman00"]THere is no heaven or hell, if you are a good person good thing will happen to you in life in death-TheSecondSign-

Actually, if that post is trying to say that if you're a good person you get your dues, thats a lie. A big lie.

People almost never get what they deserve if they're good people.

[QUOTE="bsman00"]THere is no heaven or hell, if you are a good person good thing will happen to you in life in death-TheSecondSign-

Actually, if that post is trying to say that if you're a good person you get your dues, thats a lie. A big lie.

People almost never get what they deserve if they're good people.

bribe of reward or threat of punishment after death is not a good reason to believe in something....comp_atkins

[QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]bribe of reward or threat of punishment after death is not a good reason to believe in something....Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]bribe of reward or threat of punishment after death is not a good reason to believe in something....Thinker_reborn

Since you presume that all atheists are acting nice because it feels good how can you presume that all religious people are acting out of moral altruism?

religious belief is not a prerequisite to selflessness nor it is it a sign of it. How can you presume atheists do not act out of real kindness or make sacrifices for the good of others?

faith has nothing to do with wiether or not a persons good actions were truly good or not. Its not a factor in it at all.

peppersfan2

And yes there will be exceptions,I was talking generally.

And if somebody does something out of kindness then that's the way they are and it cant be helped.They are just kind by nature,not something that they have achieved or deserved.

I always hear this silly argument that atheists who live a good life and are good human beings should also go to paradise.Now why should they?What have they done to deserve it?

They lived a life their own way and they were good cuz they wanted to be.That way life was most enjoyable for them so they didnt sacrifice much by being good.And since when was religion only asking you to be good and not murder,rape etc?

You are also supposed to sacrifice the worldy pleasures that God has forbidden you like no sex before marriage,not eating/drinking stuff which is prohibited,spending some of your precious time in worshipping God and attending religious worships and I could go on with this.

Somebody who doesnt even have the heart to rape,rob or murder cannot be considered good for not doing such activities cuz he never had a choice.If someone geniounly finds peace and happiness in helping a poor and needy person then again they are not necessarily good for doing that cuz they did it for their own selfish reason.

Anyways while good athesists dont deserve the deepest fires of hell,they certainly dont deserve paradise either!! Thinker_reborn

You would be glad to know that many athiests don't expect to be in heaven either.

What is that suppose to mean? 

Doing something good for someone from the goodness of someone's heart is not concidered good because the purpose was not to serve god?!!! It's selfish?!!!

YOU NEED HELP!!!

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]bribe of reward or threat of punishment after death is not a good reason to believe in something....Thinker_reborn

That's perhaps the least logical logic I've ever seen. Since when was helping someone a selfish act, even if a good feeling is obtained from it? Should I leave a starving child in the street just because I'd feel good about it? I'm sure Jesus felt good about helping people, does that mean he was selfish? Should someone's good deeds have their importance deminished just because they like doing good things for people? [QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

karriston

I am a muslim, and I can tell you, He's definitely wrong. Allah (swt) will allow ANYONE to go to paradise because He is just and fair.

Since we believe in the Qiyama (Judgement Day), people will only go to heaven if they are good people(overall)/children/ill people. Muslims and non-muslims alike.

So please, Thinker_Reborn, if you plan on making a topic, think it through.

ghoklebutter

I said that just cuz they are good human beings doesnt matter much.Obviously it's ultimately God's decision and only He knows whoz going to paradise.