Atheists who live a good life donot deserve paradise just cuz of that!

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="metroidfood"]

People who are self-motivated to do good don't deserve paradise but people who do it out of fear of a higher power do?

You might want to work on that argument. :|

-Jiggles-

...And that would be you.

Whether or not a person deserves paradise because he loves his divine daddy is irrelevant. What we're talking about is why atheists do or do not deserve paradise despite the fact if they're good people or not.

[QUOTE="Silverbond"][QUOTE="SolidGame_basic"]

I think any atheist reading this is laughing their ass of right now. You're using circular reasoning. You're assuming that there is a paradise and then justifying your argument by this assumption. I think it's funny how people think their religion is so special when there are thousands of religions out there. They all have contradicting stories and yet they believe they are right. Religion has always been a tool to control the masses. Back when relgion was invented, people didn't even understand the most basic elements of science. :| And yet people still want to believe this stuff just because they're afraid of death.

Bromz

I think it's funny how atheists think they are correct. Because they don't believe in God they're special? Buddhists don't believe in a god. Are they on the right track?

What about atheists? If you were born atheist, wouldn't that undermine your faith in atheism? And no, that wasn't his point either. He said there were thousands of religions with contradicting stories that think they are correct. Nothing about birthplaces. Also, I'm not religious at all. I just like to take a rather unbiased point of view. Ask yourself why you don't believe in gods...

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="bsman00"] LOL...... this is your life.... life is just a ride you only get one chance... why not enjoy it? Or are you to worried that if you dont follow the "rules" you will burn in hell? Thats fear you should not live you life in fear... the power of God is in you and every living creature Funky_Llama

I'll be honest.If I was attractive I'll prolly be less religious cuz the dissapointments I had in my life due to this are what made me come out of my world where I just lived to enjoy every ******* second of life to the fullest.They are right afterall that people who are more blessed in life actually have quite a tough test as well cuz giving up on worldy pleasures is alot more difficult for them.

When you think about it,life seems balanced as far as the efforts needed to go to heaven are concerned.

Hence there test is also difficult as they wouldnt want to not realising that this is all just temporary.They will be less inclined to think about religion and all and once they do think about it,it will not be easy for them to avoid sins.

When you think about it,life seems balanced as far as the efforts needed to go to heaven are concerned.

Thinker_reborn

I really don't understand what you just said. Are you suggesting living life to the full is a sin?

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Silenthps"]

Someone obviously knows nothing about the law of love. Silenthps

...And that would be you.

Whether or not a person deserves paradise because he loves his divine daddy is irrelevant. What we're talking about is why atheists do or do not deserve paradise despite the fact if they're good people or not.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"] Given that priests can do it, and in communion people are actually given wine, I don't think drinking alcohol is a sin.SpaceMoose

Am I missing something, or is the argument presented actually that doing good things because it feels good is selfish, while doing good things in order to get into paradise is not selfish? I'm having difficulty wrapping my brain around that. :PGabuEx

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

...And that would be you.

Whether or not a person deserves paradise because he loves his divine daddy is irrelevant. What we're talking about is why atheists do or do not deserve paradise despite the fact if they're good people or not.

Bourbons3

Damn, stole the words right out of my mouth.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]Am I missing something, or is the argument presented actually that doing good things because it feels good is selfish, while doing good things in order to get into paradise is not selfish? I'm having difficulty wrapping my brain around that. :PThinker_reborn

You know, I try to give religious people a chance. I do my best to show tolerance of their faith and what they believe in, and I always make it a priority to understand what their faith teaches and the higher standard that said people live by. But then people like you come along, the preachy radical individual who thrusts his penetrating ignorance towards others around himself and asserts their intolerant ways into the innocent lifestyles of those who follow another religion or not religion at all. It's the bombastic, hateful nature of extremists that not only drive me further away from religion, but involuntarily lower the standards and respect I have for the well-balanced, thoughtful religious folk I have come across throughout my life.

Please, for the sake of your own religion, respect others around you and stop shoving your flamboyant viewpoints down everyone's throat. I am an atheist myself and I have made it a primary objective of my time on earth to make the world a better place than it was before I came here, and I have done more good than I ever could have if I let the chains of religious rule hold me back. If you think I can only be a good person by conforming to whatever religion you may follow, so be it, but while you're busy slandering the life decisions of some and judging the beliefs of others, I will be out making a difference in this world, helping those in need, showing compassion and love to my family and significant other, and doing whatever I can to become a positive example to everybody around me.

If that's what being a godless, baby-punting, bible-burning atheist is all about, then I couldn't be more happier.

-Jiggles-

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

TC, may i ask how old you are? (thinker reborn, thats you)blackacidevil96

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

You know, I try to give religious people a chance. I do my best to show tolerance of their faith and what they believe in, and I always make it a priority to understand what their faith teaches and the higher standard that said people live by. But then people like you come along, the preachy radical individual who thrusts his penetrating ignorance towards others around himself and asserts their intolerant ways into the innocent lifestyles of those who follow another religion or not religion at all. It's the bombastic, hateful nature of extremists that not only drive me further away from religion, but involuntarily lower the standards and respect I have for the well-balanced, thoughtful religious folk I have come across throughout my life.

Please, for the sake of your own religion, respect others around you and stop shoving your flamboyant viewpoints down everyone's throat. I am an atheist myself and I have made it a primary objective of my time on earth to make the world a better place than it was before I came here, and I have done more good than I ever could have if I let the chains of religious rule hold me back. If you think I can only be a good person by conforming to whatever religion you may follow, so be it, but while you're busy slandering the life decisions of some and judging the beliefs of others, I will be out making a difference in this world, helping those in need, showing compassion and love to my family and significant other, and doing whatever I can to become a positive example to everybody around me.

If that's what being a godless, baby-punting, bible-burning atheist is all about, then I couldn't be more happier.

Thinker_reborn

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

Hence there test is also difficult as they wouldnt want to not realising that this is all just temporary.They will be less inclined to think about religion and all and once they do think about it,it will not be easy for them to avoid sins.

When you think about it,life seems balanced as far as the efforts needed to go to heaven are concerned.

AirGuitarist87

I really don't understand what you just said. Are you suggesting living life to the full is a sin?

[QUOTE="Silenthps"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

 

...And that would be you.

Whether or not a person deserves paradise because he loves his divine daddy is irrelevant. What we're talking about is why atheists do or do not deserve paradise despite the fact if they're good people or not.

Bourbons3

God's such an ass. Creating us with this want for these worldly pleasures but forbidding it. Bet he derives sick pleasure from us keeping ourselves from fulfilling those pleasures.NecroKvltMuffin

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

You know, I try to give religious people a chance. I do my best to show tolerance of their faith and what they believe in, and I always make it a priority to understand what their faith teaches and the higher standard that said people live by. But then people like you come along, the preachy radical individual who thrusts his penetrating ignorance towards others around himself and asserts their intolerant ways into the innocent lifestyles of those who follow another religion or not religion at all. It's the bombastic, hateful nature of extremists that not only drive me further away from religion, but involuntarily lower the standards and respect I have for the well-balanced, thoughtful religious folk I have come across throughout my life.

Please, for the sake of your own religion, respect others around you and stop shoving your flamboyant viewpoints down everyone's throat. I am an atheist myself and I have made it a primary objective of my time on earth to make the world a better place than it was before I came here, and I have done more good than I ever could have if I let the chains of religious rule hold me back. If you think I can only be a good person by conforming to whatever religion you may follow, so be it, but while you're busy slandering the life decisions of some and judging the beliefs of others, I will be out making a difference in this world, helping those in need, showing compassion and love to my family and significant other, and doing whatever I can to become a positive example to everybody around me.

If that's what being a godless, baby-punting, bible-burning atheist is all about, then I couldn't be more happier.

Thinker_reborn

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

As I said, I do not voluntarily (IE: consciously control) lower my standards, it's the extremists that always end up giving their religion a bad name that puts the bad taste in my mouth. All muslims that I personally know are generous and happy individuals, but it's the extremist ones always seen on the news that end up being the defining figure of said religion, since they are the most vocal.

Also, exlpain why you feel that being atheistic "isn't anywhere near as tough" as being a religious person.

[QUOTE="NecroKvltMuffin"]God's such an ass. Creating us with this want for these worldly pleasures but forbidding it. Bet he derives sick pleasure from us keeping ourselves from fulfilling those pleasures.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]In Islam it is.In christianity it was as well but now they have allowed it.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"][QUOTE="Silenthps"] .... i wasn't talking about what your talking about I was talking about what he was. Someone who understands the law of love wouldn't say that. And if you understood it you wouldn't have made that post either. Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

Hence there test is also difficult as they wouldnt want to not realising that this is all just temporary.They will be less inclined to think about religion and all and once they do think about it,it will not be easy for them to avoid sins.

When you think about it,life seems balanced as far as the efforts needed to go to heaven are concerned.

Thinker_reborn

I really don't understand what you just said. Are you suggesting living life to the full is a sin?

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]Am I missing something, or is the argument presented actually that doing good things because it feels good is selfish, while doing good things in order to get into paradise is not selfish? I'm having difficulty wrapping my brain around that. :PGabuEx

Firstly I never said that following religion makes you unselfish and neither did I say that slefish people wont enter paradise.

My point is that good athesists are good for themselves "mostly" and thus it's not a big deal as far as there deeds are concerned.Secondly they didnt sacrifice ANY of the worldy pleasures for God like religious people do so they dont really deserve paradise as you may think.They also dont exactly deserve hell as I said in the OP.As far as I see those people deserve some inferior form of paradise and certainly not the same things as those who apart from having a good life also sacrificed some deep pleasures for God.

[QUOTE="NecroKvltMuffin"]God's such an ass. Creating us with this want for these worldly pleasures but forbidding it. Bet he derives sick pleasure from us keeping ourselves from fulfilling those pleasures.Thinker_reborn

So Satan is an intentional entity in God's so-called plan? God created Satan with the full intent of him trying to overthrow him, thereby sending him to Hell and using him as a punching bag for all the "don'ts" that God had threatened humanity with?

[QUOTE="GabuEx"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Ya you missed it.Thinker_reborn

Firstly I never said that following religion makes you unselfish and neither did I say that slefish people wont enter paradise.

My point is that good athesists are good for themselves "mostly" and thus it's not a big deal as far as there deeds are concerned.Secondly they didnt sacrifice ANY of the worldy pleasures for God like religious people do so they dont really deserve paradise as you may think.They also dont exactly deserve hell as I said in the OP.As far as I see those people deserve some inferior form of paradise and certainly not the same things as those who apart from having a good life also sacrificed some deep pleasures for God.

whatever helps you sleep at night tc

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

You know, I try to give religious people a chance. I do my best to show tolerance of their faith and what they believe in, and I always make it a priority to understand what their faith teaches and the higher standard that said people live by. But then people like you come along, the preachy radical individual who thrusts his penetrating ignorance towards others around himself and asserts their intolerant ways into the innocent lifestyles of those who follow another religion or not religion at all. It's the bombastic, hateful nature of extremists that not only drive me further away from religion, but involuntarily lower the standards and respect I have for the well-balanced, thoughtful religious folk I have come across throughout my life.

Please, for the sake of your own religion, respect others around you and stop shoving your flamboyant viewpoints down everyone's throat. I am an atheist myself and I have made it a primary objective of my time on earth to make the world a better place than it was before I came here, and I have done more good than I ever could have if I let the chains of religious rule hold me back. If you think I can only be a good person by conforming to whatever religion you may follow, so be it, but while you're busy slandering the life decisions of some and judging the beliefs of others, I will be out making a difference in this world, helping those in need, showing compassion and love to my family and significant other, and doing whatever I can to become a positive example to everybody around me.

If that's what being a godless, baby-punting, bible-burning atheist is all about, then I couldn't be more happier.

MindFreeze

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

If you completely follow Islam than your life is goona be tougher than any athesist could ever have.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]If you completely follow Islam than your life is goona be tougher than any athesist could ever have.AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

You know, I try to give religious people a chance. I do my best to show tolerance of their faith and what they believe in, and I always make it a priority to understand what their faith teaches and the higher standard that said people live by. But then people like you come along, the preachy radical individual who thrusts his penetrating ignorance towards others around himself and asserts their intolerant ways into the innocent lifestyles of those who follow another religion or not religion at all. It's the bombastic, hateful nature of extremists that not only drive me further away from religion, but involuntarily lower the standards and respect I have for the well-balanced, thoughtful religious folk I have come across throughout my life.

Please, for the sake of your own religion, respect others around you and stop shoving your flamboyant viewpoints down everyone's throat. I am an atheist myself and I have made it a primary objective of my time on earth to make the world a better place than it was before I came here, and I have done more good than I ever could have if I let the chains of religious rule hold me back. If you think I can only be a good person by conforming to whatever religion you may follow, so be it, but while you're busy slandering the life decisions of some and judging the beliefs of others, I will be out making a difference in this world, helping those in need, showing compassion and love to my family and significant other, and doing whatever I can to become a positive example to everybody around me.

If that's what being a godless, baby-punting, bible-burning atheist is all about, then I couldn't be more happier.

-Jiggles-

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

As I said, I do not voluntarily (IE: consciously control) lower my standards, it's the extremists that always end up giving their religion a bad name that puts the bad taste in my mouth. All muslims that I personally know are generous and happy individuals, but it's the extremist ones always seen on the news that end up being the defining figure of said religion, since they are the most vocal.

Also, exlpain why you feel that being atheistic "isn't anywhere near as tough" as being a religious person.

Then once a year,you have to observe fast everyday for a whole month.You have to abide by any unholy things during your fast or it wont have much meaning.

You also have to give obligatory charity called zakat once a year.There is a set guideline on that.

You are also not supposed to lie unless in extreme circumstances.You are not allowed to eat unbuthured animals,any intoxication is forbidden,all meat eating animals are forbidden.

You are not allowed to be friends with your opposite sex,you arent allowed to be physical with a member of the opposite sex unless you are married to them.

Tough eh now is it?

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="NecroKvltMuffin"]God's such an ass. Creating us with this want for these worldly pleasures but forbidding it. Bet he derives sick pleasure from us keeping ourselves from fulfilling those pleasures.SpaceMoose

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] Was that before or after someone read the story about Jesus turning water into wine?SpaceMoose

[QUOTE="-Jiggles-"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]I dont think how I am shoving down my beliefs on anyone.I am just giving out my opinion.But even if you do consider me an extremeist,why lower your respect for the other religious folk that you like.Isnt that being so shallow minded of you?

And well I guess good for you.It's obviously upto God what he would decide for you in your afterlife.But despite what you are,your life isnt anyway near as tough as that of a person who sincereky follows religion.

And ofcourse when I say your life isnt anyway near as tough,it's not including externalities like family problems,financial problems etc.

Thinker_reborn

As I said, I do not voluntarily (IE: consciously control) lower my standards, it's the extremists that always end up giving their religion a bad name that puts the bad taste in my mouth. All muslims that I personally know are generous and happy individuals, but it's the extremist ones always seen on the news that end up being the defining figure of said religion, since they are the most vocal.

Also, exlpain why you feel that being atheistic "isn't anywhere near as tough" as being a religious person.

Then once a year,you have to observe fast everyday for a whole month.You have to abide by any unholy things during your fast or it wont have much meaning.

You also have to give obligatory charity called zakat once a year.There is a set guideline on that.

You are also not supposed to lie unless in extreme circumstances.You are not allowed to eat unbuthured animals,any intoxication is forbidden,all meat eating animals are forbidden.

You are not allowed to be friends with your opposite sex,you arent allowed to be physical with a member of the opposite sex unless you are married to them.

Tough eh now is it?

Restrictive, not tough. There's a major difference.

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"]

 

I really don't understand what you just said. Are you suggesting living life to the full is a sin?

AirGuitarist87

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"] So someone who is evil, yet considers himself to love god, deserves to go to heaven over an atheist who donates billions of dollars to charity and saves hundreds of millions of lives over several years?MindFreeze

Heck when I was around 15 years old,alot of the times I used to offer prayer "just" cuz my parents would get happy by that and would buy me something good then.God knew I wasnt offering it for Him in the least but no one else knew. 

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="NecroKvltMuffin"]God's such an ass. Creating us with this want for these worldly pleasures but forbidding it. Bet he derives sick pleasure from us keeping ourselves from fulfilling those pleasures.-Jiggles-

So Satan is an intentional entity in God's so-called plan? God created Satan with the full intent of him trying to overthrow him, thereby sending him to Hell and using him as a punching bag for all the "don'ts" that God had threatened humanity with?

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="-Jiggles-"]

 

As I said, I do not voluntarily (IE: consciously control) lower my standards, it's the extremists that always end up giving their religion a bad name that puts the bad taste in my mouth. All muslims that I personally know are generous and happy individuals, but it's the extremist ones always seen on the news that end up being the defining figure of said religion, since they are the most vocal.

Also, exlpain why you feel that being atheistic "isn't anywhere near as tough" as being a religious person.

-Jiggles-

Then once a year,you have to observe fast everyday for a whole month.You have to abide by any unholy things during your fast or it wont have much meaning.

You also have to give obligatory charity called zakat once a year.There is a set guideline on that.

You are also not supposed to lie unless in extreme circumstances.You are not allowed to eat unbuthured animals,any intoxication is forbidden,all meat eating animals are forbidden.

You are not allowed to be friends with your opposite sex,you arent allowed to be physical with a member of the opposite sex unless you are married to them.

Tough eh now is it?

Restrictive, not tough. There's a major difference.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"] .... i wasn't talking about what your talking about I was talking about what he was. Someone who understands the law of love wouldn't say that. And if you understood it you wouldn't have made that post either. Bourbons3

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Satan creates these wants and that's our test.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] So Satan created the human mind and not God.SpaceMoose

Satan actually challenged God and God said that you will not be able to lead my true believers astray.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]No God allowed satan to influence the human mind.Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] Why?SpaceMoose

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]To test humans and then send the rightfully deserving individuals to paradise...

 

Thinker_reborn

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"] Why?SpaceMoose

He was too incompetent to do it himself.