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#1 pygmahia5
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first off, i HAVE asked a bodybuilding forum but i am getting NO replies.

I have reached a plateau. i've been doing this 5 day split with heavy weights and low reps. obviously its time to do light weights and high reps. Scooby from scoobysworkshop.com says to do this 3 weeks heavy weight and 1 week light weight. he says he does that ALL the time. with the same plan.

should i just that? or should i completely change how i order my week? maybe super set it?

i need some advice because there are WAY too many options.

my week is like this

monday: Chest

Tuesday: Back

Wednesday: Legs

Thursday: Shoulders

Friday: arms

Sat-Sun: rest

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#2 The_Zoid
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First off, leave scooby forever. Dude's totally clueless. Secondly, I'd tune your program to exercises that work together better. eg. chest/triceps, back/biceps, legs. Or upper/lower push/pull/legs splits. I personally prefer to hit upper/lower twice a week each, one heavy day, one lighter day. Thirdly, where did you ask? I'm quite curious.
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#3 THEGoD1
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Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

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#4 Phaze-Two
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

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#5 The_Zoid
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Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

THEGoD1
Whey protein can be taken anytime, as it's merely a protein source, not a post-workout muscle spiker. Creatine can also be taken anytime as once your muscle are saturated it stays that way regardless of when it's taken. Zinc, magnesium, and b vitamins can all be taken separately for a lot, lot cheaper than a standalone ZMA product. And of course lift heavy and take a multi.
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Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

THEGoD1
do you recommend sticking to each muscle once a week though? like super setting chest/back one day and only doing that once a week?
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#7 The_Zoid
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

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Hahahaahaha, you gained 15 pounds of muscle in a month in a half gtfo. Scooby is a hell of a lot closer than you. If you could gain that much muscle that quickly, we'd all look like Arnold. See: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

Phaze-Two
bro i dont think you can even gain that much muscle on steroids.
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#9 THEGoD1
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"]

Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

The_Zoid
Whey protein can be taken anytime, as it's merely a protein source, not a post-workout muscle spiker. Creatine can also be taken anytime as once your muscle are saturated it stays that way regardless of when it's taken. Zinc, magnesium, and b vitamins can all be taken separately for a lot, lot cheaper than a standalone ZMA product. And of course lift heavy and take a multi.

Whey protein aids in muscle synthesis, and repairs torn muscle fibers so it really has no use for pre workout unless youre just going for the high protein intake. Yes creatine can be taken at anytime, but I prefer taking it pre and post workout only. ZMA's are taken before sleeping because sleeping is when all the growth occurs, the ZMA gives you a more restful sleep, and its very beneficial if you can get a few sleep cycles in (1 sleep cycle is: Stage 1 sleep, stage 2 sleep, stage 3 sleep, stage 4 sleep, REM, stage 3 sleep, and stage 2 sleep.) about 8 hours of sleep can get you to compete a few cycles.
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#10 THEGoD1
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"]

Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

pygmahia5
do you recommend sticking to each muscle once a week though? like super setting chest/back one day and only doing that once a week?

My workout plan looks like this: Monday: Chest/Bicep Tuesday: Back/Tricep Wednesday: Legs Thursday: Rest Friday: Bicep/Tricep Saturday: Chest/Back Sunday: Rest So I would recommend doing everything about twice a week. I think your definition of super sets is slightly off it pretty much means doing an exercise for a muscle group immediately followed by more exercises for the same muscle group causing a slight amount of muscle confusion so you dont plateau as often. Also I personally am lazy, and have legs as once a week (I HATE doing legs) But I suggest you also do it twice a week. Working legs boosts your testosterone levels which makes putting on muscle mass a lot easier.
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#11 Jph625
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

Phaze-Two

I lold.

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[QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"]

Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

THEGoD1
Whey protein can be taken anytime, as it's merely a protein source, not a post-workout muscle spiker. Creatine can also be taken anytime as once your muscle are saturated it stays that way regardless of when it's taken. Zinc, magnesium, and b vitamins can all be taken separately for a lot, lot cheaper than a standalone ZMA product. And of course lift heavy and take a multi.

Whey protein aids in muscle synthesis, and repairs torn muscle fibers so it really has no use for pre workout unless youre just going for the high protein intake. Yes creatine can be taken at anytime, but I prefer taking it pre and post workout only. ZMA's are taken before sleeping because sleeping is when all the growth occurs, the ZMA gives you a more restful sleep, and its very beneficial if you can get a few sleep cycles in (1 sleep cycle is: Stage 1 sleep, stage 2 sleep, stage 3 sleep, stage 4 sleep, REM, stage 3 sleep, and stage 2 sleep.) about 8 hours of sleep can get you to compete a few cycles.

Whey protein aids in muscle synthesis no greater than any other quality source of protein, it's a supplement to help boost intake to reach sufficient gram amounts. You're wasting creatine then, as it only takes ~3g daily to maintain proper saturation levels. I know what ZMA does, but I'm saying the ingredients in it can be bought separately for much cheaper.
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#13 ycdeo
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My way, take less food, maintain the body weight at 70kg for man. If into kungfu, u need to cut down to 67kg!
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#14 pygmahia5
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[QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"]

Just because you plateau doesnt mean you should change your weight or reps. Try doing different exercises for your body groups, and I would suggest lots of super sets to go along with it. I also suggest Whey protein post workout, creatine for pre and post workout, a ZMA, and a good multivitamin if you're really into working out.

THEGoD1
do you recommend sticking to each muscle once a week though? like super setting chest/back one day and only doing that once a week?

My workout plan looks like this: Monday: Chest/Bicep Tuesday: Back/Tricep Wednesday: Legs Thursday: Rest Friday: Bicep/Tricep Saturday: Chest/Back Sunday: Rest So I would recommend doing everything about twice a week. I think your definition of super sets is slightly off it pretty much means doing an exercise for a muscle group immediately followed by more exercises for the same muscle group causing a slight amount of muscle confusion so you dont plateau as often. Also I personally am lazy, and have legs as once a week (I HATE doing legs) But I suggest you also do it twice a week. Working legs boosts your testosterone levels which makes putting on muscle mass a lot easier.

lol isn't a super set doing an exercise then doing the opposite OR same muscle group right away? im failing to see how my definition is off. that's only your CURRENT plan though, right? you're always changing everything so you don't plateau...?
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#15 pygmahia5
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My way, take less food, maintain the body weight at 70kg for man. If into kungfu, u need to cut down to 67kg!ycdeo
......honestly, what the hell did i just read haha. that was random.
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#16 Fightingfan
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I love scooby, his videos are informative and entertaining. Personally I might check that out too, did he give you the advice personally or was it a video? If it was a video link me it please. I too have a plateau stuck at 185, doing cardio to drop the extra body fat like 10lbs. @Phaze-Two You're funny, at the most if you're a genetic freak you'll gain like 1.5-2.5 a month.

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Im not workout expert, but i'm pretty sure the user rawsavon is. Hopefully he gets in here and can help you out
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#18 THEGoD1
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"]Whey protein can be taken anytime, as it's merely a protein source, not a post-workout muscle spiker. Creatine can also be taken anytime as once your muscle are saturated it stays that way regardless of when it's taken. Zinc, magnesium, and b vitamins can all be taken separately for a lot, lot cheaper than a standalone ZMA product. And of course lift heavy and take a multi.The_Zoid
Whey protein aids in muscle synthesis, and repairs torn muscle fibers so it really has no use for pre workout unless youre just going for the high protein intake. Yes creatine can be taken at anytime, but I prefer taking it pre and post workout only. ZMA's are taken before sleeping because sleeping is when all the growth occurs, the ZMA gives you a more restful sleep, and its very beneficial if you can get a few sleep cycles in (1 sleep cycle is: Stage 1 sleep, stage 2 sleep, stage 3 sleep, stage 4 sleep, REM, stage 3 sleep, and stage 2 sleep.) about 8 hours of sleep can get you to compete a few cycles.

Whey protein aids in muscle synthesis no greater than any other quality source of protein, it's a supplement to help boost intake to reach sufficient gram amounts. You're wasting creatine then, as it only takes ~3g daily to maintain proper saturation levels. I know what ZMA does, but I'm saying the ingredients in it can be bought separately for much cheaper.

Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.
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What kind of plateau? Can't increase your maxes?
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#20 pygmahia5
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I love scooby, he's videos are informative and entertaining. Personally I might check that out too, did he give you the advice personally or was it a video? If it was a video link me it please. I too have a plateau stuck at 185, doing cardio to drop the extra body fat like 10lbs. @Phaze-Two You're funny, at the most if you're a genetic freak you'll gain like 1.5-2.5 a month.

http://www.scoobysworkshop.com/mixitup.htm look under the ADVANCED tab for more plateau busters.
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.
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#22 pygmahia5
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What kind of plateau? Can't increase your maxes?dodgerblue13
well, honestly this past week i've been feeling a lot weaker. with the exception of the bench press, deadlift and squats. every other exercise so far, i've done less reps than normal. im eating the recommended amount of protein (probably a bit less, but i havent changed my diet from since i was making gains) shoulders were weaker, back was the same. i really dont know what the heck happened lol. tomorrow ill see if my arms are weaker or not.
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#23 THEGoD1
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[QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="pygmahia5"] do you recommend sticking to each muscle once a week though? like super setting chest/back one day and only doing that once a week?

My workout plan looks like this: Monday: Chest/Bicep Tuesday: Back/Tricep Wednesday: Legs Thursday: Rest Friday: Bicep/Tricep Saturday: Chest/Back Sunday: Rest So I would recommend doing everything about twice a week. I think your definition of super sets is slightly off it pretty much means doing an exercise for a muscle group immediately followed by more exercises for the same muscle group causing a slight amount of muscle confusion so you dont plateau as often. Also I personally am lazy, and have legs as once a week (I HATE doing legs) But I suggest you also do it twice a week. Working legs boosts your testosterone levels which makes putting on muscle mass a lot easier.

lol isn't a super set doing an exercise then doing the opposite OR same muscle group right away? im failing to see how my definition is off. that's only your CURRENT plan though, right? you're always changing everything so you don't plateau...?

Okay. A super set is doing an exercise for a single muscle group immediately followed by another exercise for the same muscle group. So say Im doing biceps. I would start with hammer curls say 8x10, then immediately go to preacher curls for another 8x10, and If I felt like it Id go to alternating dumbbell curls. Doing all three of those exercises, without rest is a super set. And I dont change my workout much. All I need to do is change my exercises. Ill usually take a week off working out every now and then, and hop back in it and still see very impressive gains.
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[QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.

Yup. Thats the stuff. But thats probably why we were seeing it a little differently haha. I should have specified.
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#25 The_Zoid
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]What kind of plateau? Can't increase your maxes?pygmahia5
well, honestly this past week i've been feeling a lot weaker. with the exception of the bench press, deadlift and squats. every other exercise so far, i've done less reps than normal. im eating the recommended amount of protein (probably a bit less, but i havent changed my diet from since i was making gains) shoulders were weaker, back was the same. i really dont know what the heck happened lol. tomorrow ill see if my arms are weaker or not.

Take a week off. When's the last time you took an extended break?
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

The_Zoid

Hahahaahaha, you gained 15 pounds of muscle in a month in a half gtfo. Scooby is a hell of a lot closer than you. If you could gain that much muscle that quickly, we'd all look like Arnold. See: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html

yeah but i started off skinny as hell.

i did the stronglifts 5*5 workout plus the GOMAD diet (look it up). eating 3-5k calories a day at 140 pounds.

i gained 25 pounds in about a month and a half, then i cut the fat and was left with 15 pounds of noob muscle gains.

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[QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.

That's something I never understood, what's with all the differences in Creatine?I just know to avoid the old Creatine Hydrochloride.
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.

Yup. Thats the stuff. But thats probably why we were seeing it a little differently haha. I should have specified.

Indeed. I've tried monohydrate, concret...which is garbage, and size-on as far as creatine products go. But no kre-alkaline, maybe sometime.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.

That's something I never understood, what's with all the differences in Creatine?I just know to avoid the old Creatine Hydrochloride.

Its too complicated for me to even attempt to explain it to you on here haha. Try going to www.bodybuilding.com
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#30 The_Zoid
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yeah but i started off skinny as hell.

i did the stronglifts 5*5 workout plus the GOMAD diet (look it up). eating 3-5k calories a day at 140 pounds.

i gained 25 pounds in about a month and a half, then i cut the fat and was left with 15 pounds of noob muscle gains.

Phaze-Two

Perhaps...but you gained more fat than you think. And I definitely know what GOMAD is, but at 3.5k-4k calories at 140lbs, muscle is not all you gained. At 190 lbs I bulk at 3.5k calories for about 1lb/week gains. Noob gains are awesome until they stop.

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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"]Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.The_Zoid
Yup. Thats the stuff. But thats probably why we were seeing it a little differently haha. I should have specified.

Indeed. I've tried monohydrate, concret...which is garbage, and size-on as far as creatine products go. But no kre-alkaline, maybe sometime.

Yeah, I would recommend it. Its less detrimental to your liver and I've seen very impressive gains with it.
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As much as Scooby seems to know, if you look at his body, that tells you the results of his training. I would check out powerlifter workouts or bodybuilding workouts of the top people like olympic athletes and bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco Columbo, Jay Cutler, etc. See what they do and if you can't handle everything, take bits and pieces until you can.
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#33 The_Zoid
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="The_Zoid"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] Thats only if you're doing a loading and maintenance plan which you usually do for a monohydrate. I am not on a monohydrate, so I dont need to load or maintain.

Kre-Alk? I've personally never taken it. I went from crappy walmart creatine, just to monohydrate.

That's something I never understood, what's with all the differences in Creatine?I just know to avoid the old Creatine Hydrochloride.

Just different forms. Some are purported to absorb better, but usually it's just marketing hype like especially creatine ethyl ester(CEE) or creatine hydrochloride(Creatine HCL). Just stick with monohydrate, cheapest and most proven.
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#34 THEGoD1
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this is the guy that said you can only expect to gain 5 pounds of muscle a year...

i saw that video after i gained like 15 pounds of muscle in a month and half. dudes a joke. he's so dogmatic and close minded. he's just silly.

Phaze-Two
Haha...when I first started working out about a year ago I was about 145 with a bench press of about 165. I'm now at 175lbs with a bench max of 295lbs. And Im going for 300-315 next week.
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#35 The_Zoid
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As much as Scooby seems to know, if you look at his body, that tells you the results of his training. I would check out powerlifter workouts or bodybuilding workouts of the top people like olympic athletes and bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco Columbo, Jay Cutler, etc. See what they do and if you can't handle everything, take bits and pieces until you can.BranKetra
I would say it's not wise to follow the advice of people on the gear. Exogenous hormones change the game big time. Cotton candy, dog crap, and sets of arm curls for 25 reps would make a steroid user's legs grow.
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#36 dodgerblue13
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"]What kind of plateau? Can't increase your maxes?pygmahia5
well, honestly this past week i've been feeling a lot weaker. with the exception of the bench press, deadlift and squats. every other exercise so far, i've done less reps than normal. im eating the recommended amount of protein (probably a bit less, but i havent changed my diet from since i was making gains) shoulders were weaker, back was the same. i really dont know what the heck happened lol. tomorrow ill see if my arms are weaker or not.

You're probably doing too much. Martin can help you. Read his long article on F***arounditis and then his reverse pyramid revisited at the very least. I'd say adopt leangains as your life approach, but I won't ask that much. Just give it a peek. I bet he can help. This is probably a result of lifting 5+ days a week (I'm guessing) for an extended period of time. Too much is too much.
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#37 drufeous
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Try working two muscle groups a day. I follow the 12 week daily trainer by Kris Gethin on bodybuilding.com. Great routine and really got me into lifting. I don't follow the diet too much but I'm not a bad eater anyway. He does straight sets, drop sets, supersets and giant sets. Never gets old and you don't plateau. Typical week is

Mon: Chest and Triceps and 40 min cardio

Tues: Legs and 40 min cardio

Wed: 40 min of cardio

Thurs: Back and Biceps and 40 min cardio

Fri: 40 min cardio

Sat: Shoulders, Calves and abs and 40 mins cardio

Sun: 40 min cardio

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#38 The_Zoid
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[QUOTE="dodgerblue13"] You're probably doing too much. Martin can help you. Read his long article on F***arounditis and then his reverse pyramid revisited at the very least. I'd say adopt leangains as your life approach, but I won't ask that much. Just give it a peek. I bet he can help. This is probably a result of lifting 5+ days a week (I'm guessing) for an extended period of time. Too much is too much.

Thank goodness someone else reads leangains. He really doesn't bull**** around and gives some of the best advice you can get for naturals. That article's been in my bookmarks since it came out.
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#39 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"]As much as Scooby seems to know, if you look at his body, that tells you the results of his training. I would check out powerlifter workouts or bodybuilding workouts of the top people like olympic athletes and bodybuilders like Arnold, Franco Columbo, Jay Cutler, etc. See what they do and if you can't handle everything, take bits and pieces until you can.The_Zoid
I would say it's not wise to follow the advice of people on the gear. Exogenous hormones change the game big time. Cotton candy, dog crap, and sets of arm curls for 25 reps would make a steroid user's legs grow.

Hmm. I took some workout tips from them (or things credited to them) and I don't take steroids/HGH/whatever else...artificial hormones. I do take Mega Men Sport, creatine Elite series (Walmart stuff) and Elite protein, but that's different. I've been steadily increasing in all areas. I guess it depends on the person.
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#40 Fightingfan
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I took that F around test and I totally passed :P I guess I'll just need to do one thing he recommended, keep like a journal of progression.
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#41 The_Zoid
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Hmm. I took some workout tips from them (or things credited to them) and I don't take steroids/HGH/whatever else...artificial hormones. I do take Mega Men Sport, creatine Elite series (Walmart stuff) and Elite protein, but that's different. I've been steadily increasing in all areas. I guess it depends on the person.

I guarantee they probably didn't even say it. These guys are sponsored and will say whatever gets their checks to them the fastest. I'd snoop around and do your own research, because I've never seen a pro BB give actually give good advice for a beginner or intermediate natural trainee.
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#42 branketra
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[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Hmm. I took some workout tips from them (or things credited to them) and I don't take steroids/HGH/whatever else...artificial hormones. I do take Mega Men Sport, creatine Elite series (Walmart stuff) and Elite protein, but that's different. I've been steadily increasing in all areas. I guess it depends on the person.The_Zoid
I guarantee they probably didn't even say it. These guys are sponsored and will say whatever gets their checks to them the fastest. I'd snoop around and do your own research, because I've never seen a pro BB give actually give good advice for a beginner or intermediate natural trainee.

I'm not so sure.

I've looked up Franco Columbo and found his official website. It doesn't have planned workouts, but it does have good advice. I mean it has his fax and everything.

http://www.columbu.com/

Besides Franco, I've noticed a lot of the best bodybuilders use a few exercises that they all approve of: Squat, deadlift, and bench press. They may use variations, but it's the same exercises. For beginner workouts, I went to bodybuilding.com and looked up "beginner workouts." They have some good stuff. I just found someone who had a poor (physique-wise) before and a decent after pic and went with it. I also used Rippetoe's starting strength 5x5 squat program. I just incorporated them into what I wanted for myself. I was also training MMA, so I needed to balance with that.

That was this past Spring. Summer, I worked on my arms only because they had plateaued at around 35 lbs. After summer, I've been working on my chest, back and legs. To keep up, I superset my biceps and triceps on its own day. I decided to take a break this week to rest up. For my next workout plan, I'm considering changing lowering the reps for all my exercises and raising the weight. Everything is 3x8 reps right now, so it will probably be 5x5 strength training.

For 5x5, I go a warmup set before the 5, 2 sets at an entry weight, then 3 sets at my target weight. Technically, it's 1x10 and 5x5, but the first is just a warmup. One major thing that keeps coming up is writing things down to record my progress. I hear that makes a bigger difference than you might think.

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#43 pygmahia5
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[QUOTE="THEGoD1"][QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="THEGoD1"] My workout plan looks like this: Monday: Chest/Bicep Tuesday: Back/Tricep Wednesday: Legs Thursday: Rest Friday: Bicep/Tricep Saturday: Chest/Back Sunday: Rest So I would recommend doing everything about twice a week. I think your definition of super sets is slightly off it pretty much means doing an exercise for a muscle group immediately followed by more exercises for the same muscle group causing a slight amount of muscle confusion so you dont plateau as often. Also I personally am lazy, and have legs as once a week (I HATE doing legs) But I suggest you also do it twice a week. Working legs boosts your testosterone levels which makes putting on muscle mass a lot easier.

lol isn't a super set doing an exercise then doing the opposite OR same muscle group right away? im failing to see how my definition is off. that's only your CURRENT plan though, right? you're always changing everything so you don't plateau...?

Okay. A super set is doing an exercise for a single muscle group immediately followed by another exercise for the same muscle group. So say Im doing biceps. I would start with hammer curls say 8x10, then immediately go to preacher curls for another 8x10, and If I felt like it Id go to alternating dumbbell curls. Doing all three of those exercises, without rest is a super set. And I dont change my workout much. All I need to do is change my exercises. Ill usually take a week off working out every now and then, and hop back in it and still see very impressive gains.

well the fitness trainer at the gym says its just when you do any exercise after you've completed another one with no rest. no specification of "same" or "different" muscle groups. but thats besides the point. what the freak, i still have no solid answer on what I should do. maybe because there is not a solid answer...im going to start a biweekly schedule and see how that works out. also, i've taken weeks off in the past, and even taking one week off, i seem to be extremely week. so im not going to do that again.
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#44 Fightingfan
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^^ Take a week off bro, maybe you're over stimulating your body with working out everyday. I think I'm gonna just keep a journal and increase weight.
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#45 pygmahia5
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^^ Take a week off bro, maybe you're over stimulating your body with working out everyday. I think I'm gonna just keep a journal and increase weight.Fightingfan
yea...i thought it over...i might take a week off. then im doing one of these.http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/21-workout-routines-37958/and yes, a journal helps IMMENSELY. thats what i do.

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#46 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ Take a week off bro, maybe you're over stimulating your body with working out everyday. I think I'm gonna just keep a journal and increase weight.

yea...i thought it over...i might take a week off. im going to wait till my step bro comes though because right now i have more time than i know what to do with. you think i could get away with "taking a week off" by working out with super low weight? cuz atm im bored as hell if i dont work out. and yes, a journal helps IMMENSELY. thats what i do.

I get what you're saying, you're bored. Try some cardio everyone has about 3-5 pounds they can lose. I haven't gained any muscle mass recently but I do appear more vascular in the arm and chest department.
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#47 pygmahia5
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="pygmahia5"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ Take a week off bro, maybe you're over stimulating your body with working out everyday. I think I'm gonna just keep a journal and increase weight.

yea...i thought it over...i might take a week off. im going to wait till my step bro comes though because right now i have more time than i know what to do with. you think i could get away with "taking a week off" by working out with super low weight? cuz atm im bored as hell if i dont work out. and yes, a journal helps IMMENSELY. thats what i do.

I get what you're saying, you're bored. Try some cardio everyone has about 3-5 pounds they can lose. I haven't gained any muscle mass recently but I do appear more vascular in the arm and chest department.

lol i just edited my prev post. check out the link!
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#48 Fightingfan
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Link's not workin' try again buddy.
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#49 pygmahia5
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http://www.askscooby.com/excellent-postings/21-workout-routines-37958/ should work now...
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#50 Fightingfan
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Might try this one

Advanced bodyweight routine

I just tried a pistol squat LOL, but I can't even do them because my hamstrings are to tight after running 2miles uphill(bridge).