Barack Obama VS John McCain (Poll)

[QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

I would label our country at this point the most manipulated and brainwashed society that we've ever seen. The fact that we have to choose between two of the most corrupted and compromised candidates is just an utter shame. Everyone needs to look into how fascist leaning Obama is and how rediculously paid off McCain is before they should be able to vote for either of these fakes. We are basically signing up for a guaranteed war with Iran right now and people just dont seem to give a ****. Think of the CONSTITUTION!!! It should be the only thing that matters when considering your candidate, neither of these fakes have any qualms with further destroying our constitution. If we give up our rights we are nothing but slaves to a horribly corrupted government and soon enough it will be far too late to reverse the damage.

Uphold the constitution and you uphold the liberty of every person in this nation.

Look into alternatives to the Bilderberg approved clowns and choose a REAL candidate for goodness sake. It really matters not whether they are Demopublican or a Republicrat, they are ALL THE SAME! They are all pushing towards the same goal of globalism and an eventual one world government. You need look little beyond the governments plans for the North American Union to understand that they want to rid themselves of OUR sovereignty. I do not accept this and I hope the rest of you wont either.

STOP THE NAU!!!

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Benjamin Franklin

P.S. You should have added Write-In to the poll because I sure as hell would vote for Obama or McCrazy's dog before I would vote for either of these clowns.

jer_1

The last statement you said completely made me disregard your whole post.

At least you can think for yourself... Oh wait, who did you plan on voting for again?

I'm thinking for myself just as you are. Honestly, I would have liked Mitt Romney to get the nomination because of his business experience, but he didn't, and we need to live with it.

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.kool-aids

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="jer_1"]

I would label our country at this point the most manipulated and brainwashed society that we've ever seen. The fact that we have to choose between two of the most corrupted and compromised candidates is just an utter shame. Everyone needs to look into how fascist leaning Obama is and how rediculously paid off McCain is before they should be able to vote for either of these fakes. We are basically signing up for a guaranteed war with Iran right now and people just dont seem to give a ****. Think of the CONSTITUTION!!! It should be the only thing that matters when considering your candidate, neither of these fakes have any qualms with further destroying our constitution. If we give up our rights we are nothing but slaves to a horribly corrupted government and soon enough it will be far too late to reverse the damage.

Uphold the constitution and you uphold the liberty of every person in this nation.

Look into alternatives to the Bilderberg approved clowns and choose a REAL candidate for goodness sake. It really matters not whether they are Demopublican or a Republicrat, they are ALL THE SAME! They are all pushing towards the same goal of globalism and an eventual one world government. You need look little beyond the governments plans for the North American Union to understand that they want to rid themselves of OUR sovereignty. I do not accept this and I hope the rest of you wont either.

STOP THE NAU!!!

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

-Benjamin Franklin

P.S. You should have added Write-In to the poll because I sure as hell would vote for Obama or McCrazy's dog before I would vote for either of these clowns.

msudude211

The last statement you said completely made me disregard your whole post.

At least you can think for yourself... Oh wait, who did you plan on voting for again?

I'm thinking for myself just as you are. Honestly, I would have liked Mitt Romney to get the nomination because of his business experience, but he didn't, and we need to live with it.

I suppose that would imply that you honestly give not a care of how corrupt that McCain is. Apparently you fall in line with the rest of this right wing America and our worthless mass media on your own terms. Im happy that you are just fine and dandy with this but I do not accept a fake candidate as being qualified to lead this country. Freedom prevails for now at least...

[QUOTE="kool-aids"]

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.chandlerr_360

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

I find it pretty hilarious that we have now a president who was a coke head (and from a drug dealing crime family) and we seem to be more than willing to bring in a prior crack user. This country is ****ed in the long run unless the people start actually standing up and saying NO to these asses running this country.

They both suck.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="kool-aids"]

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.jer_1

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

I find it pretty hilarious that we have now a president who was a coke head (and from a drug dealing crime family) and we seem to be more than willing to bring in a prior crack user. This country is ****ed in the long run unless the people start actually standing up and saying NO to these asses running this country.

What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmly and effectively, he took the initiative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldier but it is FINISHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complicated world that we are living in today.

I suppose that would imply that you honestly give not a care of how corrupt that McCain is. Apparently you fall in line with the rest of this right wing America and our worthless mass media on your own terms. Im happy that you are just fine and dandy with this but I do not accept a fake candidate as being qualified to lead this country. Freedom prevails for now at least...

jer_1

Thanks for trying to change my opinion, but I'd "rather think for myself," just as you said. ;)

What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

chandlerr_360

That was a very good reply.

However I do not agree with the invasion into the Middle East because it is bankrupting us.

If Bush wanted to invade the middle east....fine. Kill them all and take the oil. Very simple.

Going their to give them police support? Give me a ****ing break.

When did America became the world police?

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

ParadiseAwaits

That was a very good reply.

However I do not agree with the invasion into the Middle East because it is bankrupting us.

If Bush wanted to invade the middle east....fine. Kill them all and take the oil. Very simple.

Going their to give them police support? Give me a ****ing break.

When did America became the world police?

We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"]What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

ParadiseAwaits

That was a very good reply.

However I do not agree with the invasion into the Middle East because it is bankrupting us.

If Bush wanted to invade the middle east....fine. Kill them all and take the oil. Very simple.

Going their to give them police support? Give me a ****ing break.

When did America became the world police?

since WW2

We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. msudude211

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Barack Obama, because his speeches give me a warm fuzzy feeling inside. I don't know the first thing about him, but a lot of my friends on Myspace joined a group supporting him, so I do too now.

Since that's all anyone against Obama hears when I give them reason after reason for why I think he should be President, I'll just reply with things like this from now on. There's no point arguing when nobody's listening.

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="kool-aids"]

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.chandlerr_360

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

I find it pretty hilarious that we have now a president who was a coke head (and from a drug dealing crime family) and we seem to be more than willing to bring in a prior crack user. This country is ****ed in the long run unless the people start actually standing up and saying NO to these asses running this country.

What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

We have a pretty good idea of how the government is actually run, yes. The fact that he signed on to the Patriot Act I & II, No Child Left Behind (which makes rediculous funds for corporations through APAC and in turn goes into the Bush family pockets), PDD51 which exposes us FURTHER to a police state in America. This is just the begining though, there are FAR more policies that this administration rubber stamps and set aside for when the people of this country finally wake up and get mad. Look into the fact that this government has already installed 800+ concentration camps (which do in fact house incenerators) and you begin to see the ominous outlook of the leaders we have now.

This isnt all Bush's fault of course and I didnt say he was to blame for all of it, but he is shouldering some of the blame. This began well before Clinton, well before Reagan and even well before Carter. This is an ongoing and accelerating program of the destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. What we need is real candidates who actually fight for our rights and the restoration of this REPUBLIC (not democracy) not someone who will sell us out to the highest bidder (which is always a corporate interest).

If you choose to accept and follow the prechosen candidates then so be it, that is your right. I just want people to know what they very well may not know and to understand that they are further destroying their own freedoms by supporting said candidates. Freedom should live in all of our hearts and should be held most high by the person who is sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution.

[QUOTE="msudude211"]

[QUOTE="moneybagsphd"]John McCain graduated 894/899 in his class Obama, on the other hand, was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review...bman784

McCain is a dedicated military man who was a PoW. Obama, on the other hand...

it hardens you for a very difficult job. most of what the president is supposed to do is relative to the military.

[QUOTE="msudude211"]We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. ParadiseAwaits

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Can you direct me to the conflict that you're talking about?

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="kool-aids"]

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.jer_1

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

I find it pretty hilarious that we have now a president who was a coke head (and from a drug dealing crime family) and we seem to be more than willing to bring in a prior crack user. This country is ****ed in the long run unless the people start actually standing up and saying NO to these asses running this country.

What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

We have a pretty good idea of how the government is actually run, yes. The fact that he signed on to the Patriot Act I & II, No Child Left Behind (which makes rediculous funds for corporations through APAC and in turn goes into the Bush family pockets), PDD51 which exposes us FURTHER to a police state in America. This is just the begining though, there are FAR more policies that this administration rubber stamps and set aside for when the people of this country finally wake up and get mad. Look into the fact that this government has already installed 800+ concentration camps (which do in fact house incenerators) and you begin to see the ominous outlook of the leaders we have now.

This isnt all Bush's fault of course and I didnt say he was to blame for all of it, but he is shouldering some of the blame. This began well before Clinton, well before Reagan and even well before Carter. This is an ongoing and accelerating program of the destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. What we need is real candidates who actually fight for our rights and the restoration of this REPUBLIC (not democracy) not someone who will sell us out to the highest bidder (which is always a corporate interest).

If you choose to accept and follow the prechosen candidates then so be it, that is your right. I just want people to know what they very well may not know and to understand that they are further destroying their own freedoms by supporting said candidates. Freedom should live in all of our hearts and should be held most high by the person who is sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution.

So you support isolationism? THIS IS A REAL WORLD. There are other people out there you know, and when people are fully capable of crashing air liners into fully occupied buildings (Al - Qaeda/Taliban/Hezbollah), arrogantly producing dangerous materials that can be used to kill MILLIONS of people at a single time even when just about every other single civilized country is against it (Uranium Enrichment), and call a peace - wanting country (Israel) to be wiped off the map simply because of their religion, there is a serious problem.

What do all of these things have in common (as well as MANY more) ? It is ALL in the Middle East, not to mention the whole Oil and food crisis that is just starting to come out of the woodwork now. Yep, all centered around the Middle East. Don't you think that is the responsibility of the most powerful country/government, and most privileged people in the entire world to deal with these problems, that will not only affect us now, but our children to come, and the rest of the HUMAN populace around the world?

Your comments sound radical, ignorant, and all around selfish to me. < These are all the things that will bring our great country down if people do not wake up NOW.

By the way, 800+ concentration camps? WTF are you talking about moron?

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="msudude211"]

[QUOTE="moneybagsphd"]John McCain graduated 894/899 in his class Obama, on the other hand, was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review...H8sMikeMoore

McCain is a dedicated military man who was a PoW. Obama, on the other hand...

it hardens you for a very difficult job. most of what the president is supposed to do is relative to the military.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline183823_000.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/dole_mccain_has.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/mccain/2008/02/19/73881.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mccain-temper

Oh yeah, being tortured has made this guy totally stable. Im sure he would handle the job just as well as the childs mind whos in the presidents seat now.

[QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

[QUOTE="msudude211"]We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. msudude211

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Can you direct me to the conflict that you're talking about?

Do you live in a cave?

Or have you just not been paying attention to history for the past 20 years?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="msudude211"]

[QUOTE="moneybagsphd"]John McCain graduated 894/899 in his class Obama, on the other hand, was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review...jer_1

McCain is a dedicated military man who was a PoW. Obama, on the other hand...

it hardens you for a very difficult job. most of what the president is supposed to do is relative to the military.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/aponline/19991031/aponline183823_000.htm

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/03/dole_mccain_has.html

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html

http://www.newsmax.com/kessler/mccain/2008/02/19/73881.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/mccain-temper

Oh yeah, being tortured has made this guy totally stable. Im sure he would handle the job just as well as the childs mind whos in the presidents seat now.

Child's mind? Good joke my man. Another intelligent statement coming from you. Almost as bad as saying that you'd rather have a dog as our president.

I think you have the child's mind.

[QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

[QUOTE="msudude211"]We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. ParadiseAwaits

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Can you direct me to the conflict that you're talking about?

Do you live in a cave?

Or have you just not been paying attention to history for the past 20 years?

No, I don't live in a cave. My question still stands.

So you support isolationism? THIS IS A REAL WORLD. There are other people out there you know, and when people are fully capable of crashing air liners into fully occupied buildings (Al - Qaeda/Taliban/Hezbollah), arrogantly producing dangerous materials that can be used to kill MILLIONS of people at a single time even when just about every other single civilized country is against it (Uranium Enrichment), and call a peace - wanting country (Israel) to be wiped off the map simply because of their religion, there is a serious problem.

What do all of these things have in common (as well as MANY more) ? It is ALL in the Middle East, not to mention the whole Oil and food crisis that is just starting to come out of the woodwork now. Yep, all centered around the Middle East. Don't you think that is the responsibility of the most powerful country/government, and most privileged people in the entire world to deal with these problems, that will not only affect us now, but our children to come, and the rest of the HUMAN populace around the world?

Your comments sound radical, ignorant, and all around selfish to me. < These are all the things that will bring our great country down if people do not wake up NOW.

By the way, 800+ concentration camps? WTF are you talking about moron?

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us_concentration_camps.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm

http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/fema-concentration-camps-locations-and-executive-orders/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/halliburton-concentration-camps-already-constructed/1831/

And if you refuse to read, heres some video footage of these "camps"

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=concentration+camps+in+america&search_type=&aq=f

It's fine that you may not know about it. But maybe you should refrain from trying to act like im an idiot when things are going on beyond your vision. This is not the America you though it was.

Have a nice day!

[QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"][QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

[QUOTE="msudude211"]We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. msudude211

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Can you direct me to the conflict that you're talking about?

Do you live in a cave?

Or have you just not been paying attention to history for the past 20 years?

No, I don't live in a cave. My question still stands.

Well I'm not going to teach you U.S. History.

You seriously need to show some initiative and study.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="kool-aids"]

[QUOTE="south411"]why is everyone voting for obama based on the fact that he is leaving Iraq? Just because he wants to leave Iraq or at least says he does doesnt necessarily mean he will. Or he just might start another even more pointless war or conflict.jer_1

Correct.

He wants to pull them out, but not 100%, I believe, correct me if im wrong, he wants to still occupy Iraq.

It does not matter what Obama says. Petraeus and the U.S. army (at least) will never acknowledge Obama's wishes. Unless the soldiers (like my uncle and cousin) want to leave, they won't, no matter what any crackhead politicians (*cough*OBAMA*cough*) or the militaristicly ignorant American civies say. The job IS going to get done, Petraeus already acknowledged that to the Legislature, which is why they have not cut funds already. What is Obama going to do about it? Write a letter?

Before you go voting to end the "war", make sure you know exactly what you are voting for, and don't assume that your wishes will be granted.

I find it pretty hilarious that we have now a president who was a coke head (and from a drug dealing crime family) and we seem to be more than willing to bring in a prior crack user. This country is ****ed in the long run unless the people start actually standing up and saying NO to these asses running this country.

What has the current administration done differently than any other?! I am sick of everyone putting all of the blame on Bush and Cheney. DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW THE U.S. GOVERNMENT IS ACTUALLY RUN!

The Patriot Act, No Child Left Behind, Massive Tax Cuts, He wisely declined massive funding for a global warming project because of lack of proof (whether you believe it or not, it still has NOT been proven), He took the blame for Katrina when it was not even his fault, he handled the worst attack on U.S. soil in history calmy and effectively, he took the iniative to attack a extremely unstable region in the world that wishes us and our allies harm, AND has negotiated with several formed enemies into peaceful terms. And what does he get? A approval rating of less than 30%.

Our congress is the one at fault for almost EVERYTHING right now, along with the greedy labor unions and credit companies, not to mention OPEC and their stockholders.

All I know is that the U.S. is FINISHED, and yes I am a proud patriot and future soldierm but it is FINSIHED unless people get their act together. Ignorance is no longer bliss people, not in the complciated world that we are living in today.

We have a pretty good idea of how the government is actually run, yes. The fact that he signed on to the Patriot Act I & II, No Child Left Behind (which makes rediculous funds for corporations through APAC and in turn goes into the Bush family pockets), PDD51 which exposes us FURTHER to a police state in America. This is just the begining though, there are FAR more policies that this administration rubber stamps and set aside for when the people of this country finally wake up and get mad. Look into the fact that this government has already installed 800+ concentration camps (which do in fact house incenerators) and you begin to see the ominous outlook of the leaders we have now.

This isnt all Bush's fault of course and I didnt say he was to blame for all of it, but he is shouldering some of the blame. This began well before Clinton, well before Reagan and even well before Carter. This is an ongoing and accelerating program of the destruction of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. What we need is real candidates who actually fight for our rights and the restoration of this REPUBLIC (not democracy) not someone who will sell us out to the highest bidder (which is always a corporate interest).

If you choose to accept and follow the prechosen candidates then so be it, that is your right. I just want people to know what they very well may not know and to understand that they are further destroying their own freedoms by supporting said candidates. Freedom should live in all of our hearts and should be held most high by the person who is sworn by oath to uphold the Constitution.

So you support isolationism? THIS IS A REAL WORLD. There are other people out there you know, and when people are fully capable of crashing air liners into fully occupied buildings (Al - Qaeda/Taliban/Hezbollah), arrogantly producing dangerous materials that can be used to kill MILLIONS of people at a single time even when just about every other single civilized country is against it (Uranium Enrichment), and call a peace - wanting country (Israel) to be wiped off the map simply because of their religion, there is a serious problem.

What do all of these things have in common (as well as MANY more) ? It is ALL in the Middle East, not to mention the whole Oil and food crisis that is just starting to come out of the woodwork now. Yep, all centered around the Middle East. Don't you think that is the responsibility of the most powerful country/government, and most privileged people in the entire world to deal with these problems, that will not only affect us now, but our children to come, and the rest of the HUMAN populace around the world?

Your comments sound radical, ignorant, and all around selfish to me. < These are all the things that will bring our great country down if people do not wake up NOW.

By the way, 800+ concentration camps? WTF are you talking about moron?

http://www.libertyforlife.com/jail-police/us_concentration_camps.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps1.htm

http://salonesoterica.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/fema-concentration-camps-locations-and-executive-orders/

http://rinf.com/alt-news/breaking-news/halliburton-concentration-camps-already-constructed/1831/

It's fine that you may not know about it. But maybe you should refrain from trying to act like im an idiot when things are going on beyond your vision. This is not the America you though it was.

Have a nice day!

Wait...where those links a joke? LOL!

[QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"][QUOTE="msudude211"][QUOTE="ParadiseAwaits"]

[QUOTE="msudude211"]We've been the world's police since we dropped an atomic bomb on Japan in 1945. When we did that, we had technology that no one else had, and became a "world superpower," per-say. Since then, we have been a world police because of being a world power, and because we don't want another "WWII" to break out. If you remember, WWII broke out because there was a lack of a "world police." No one stepped up and stopped Hitler because they were all afraid of war. ParadiseAwaits

So let me get this straight....the USA attacks third-world countries with no army, navy, or airforce in order to prevent a World War?

Can you direct me to the conflict that you're talking about?

Do you live in a cave?

Or have you just not been paying attention to history for the past 20 years?

No, I don't live in a cave. My question still stands.

Well I'm not going to teach you U.S. History.

You seriously need to show some initiative and study.

I'm in AP US History right now, thanks.

I just think that you don't know any so you're trying to make it look like I don't know history. ;)

Wait...where those links a joke? LOL!

I'm assuming you wont accept an alternative media and you require a government controlled mass media source such as FOX, CBS, CNN, or ABC? That you wont get for now because they say nothing unless its okayed, dont you know that already?

Did you even bother to watch any of the video of the actual "camps"? Or is that just too much?

Heres a link to the vids again: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=concentration+camps+in+america&search_type=&aq=f

[QUOTE="bman784"][QUOTE="msudude211"]

[QUOTE="moneybagsphd"]John McCain graduated 894/899 in his class Obama, on the other hand, was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review...msudude211

McCain is a dedicated military man who was a PoW. Obama, on the other hand...

Neither does being the president of a Law review.

Harvard Law Review > Military.

Anything > Military.

jer_1

Wait...where those links a joke? LOL!

I'm assuming you wont accept an alternative media and you require a government controlled mass media source such as FOX, CBS, CNN, or ABC? That you wont get for now because they say nothing unless its okayed, dont you know that already?

Did you even bother to watch any of the video of the actual "camps"? Or is that just too much?

Heres a link to the vids again: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=concentration+camps+in+america&search_type=&aq=f

So then you're going to listen to a Youtube video that ANYONE on the internet could have made up?

[QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

Socialism is proven to be the best system in the world.

msudude211

And you came to that conclusion how?

Look at other countries that have it. They are better off than we are.

Here in America, only the rich and wealthy get the best service. The poor continue to suffer. That is wrong.

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

msudude211

Wait...where those links a joke? LOL!

I'm assuming you wont accept an alternative media and you require a government controlled mass media source such as FOX, CBS, CNN, or ABC? That you wont get for now because they say nothing unless its okayed, dont you know that already?

Did you even bother to watch any of the video of the actual "camps"? Or is that just too much?

Heres a link to the vids again: http://youtube.com/results?search_query=concentration+camps+in+america&search_type=&aq=f

So then you're going to listen to a Youtube video that ANYONE on the internet could have made up?

The camps are physically there, in real time. They exist, and theres little you can do to disprove this. Maybe one day youll get your chance to see one, though for all our sakes i hope not. Believe it or not, maybe...just maybe you arent right about this.

[QUOTE="Steingrimur"]The USA needs a bit of socialism and a lot of cleaning up after the bush administration and there I believe Obama can bring the right change...

Besides John McCain is filled with extreme bias and half-assed and self-rightious discriptions of Obamas politics... It made me feel sick to my stomach...
Rhazakna

No, it doesn't. We need free market competition, not a nanny state.

Yeah but when the rug is pulled from under you and a company ships their jobs overseas, something is wrong.

When a small business can't even survive against its competitors, something is wrong.

When a big business uses "Robber Baron" techniques to crush its competition, something is wrong.

We need soclialism.

Rikusaki, I hate to tell you this, but even if Barrack wins this thread, he may not win the white house :(. I'm surprised that McCain even has as much as he does in the poll, because I know OT is widely Liberal/Democrat.

I'm voting McCain, I hope everyone who is voting for Obama will make the better choice when they are actually old enough TO vote. Obama may be for change, but that doesn't mean its for the better. You better hope he wises up when he makes it to the office.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

McCain brings nothing to the table.

The only difference between him and Bush is that McCain can say "Nuclear" without sounding like a "No Child Left Behind" student...

chandlerr_360

And what does Obama bring? A bad "solution" to health care? Massive taxation of industry? Bigger government? Why are these good things?

Socialism is proven to be the best system in the world.

I CANNOT believe you just said that...omg I want you to die so hard right now.

So.. you wnat me to die.... because I have different beliefs than you?

Rikusaki, I hate to tell you this, but even if Barrack wins this thread, he may not win the white house :(. I'm surprised that McCain even has as much as he does in the poll, because I know OT is widely Liberal/Democrat.

I'm voting McCain, I hope everyone who is voting for Obama will make the better choice when they are actually old enough TO vote. Obama may be for change, but that doesn't mean its for the better. You better hope he wises up when he makes it to the office.

falconclan

That's your opinion. To me, socialism is better because everyone benefits. Nobody is ignored. Everyone is cared for. Nobody is left behind.

[QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"][QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

McCain brings nothing to the table.

The only difference between him and Bush is that McCain can say "Nuclear" without sounding like a "No Child Left Behind" student...

Rikusaki

And what does Obama bring? A bad "solution" to health care? Massive taxation of industry? Bigger government? Why are these good things?

Socialism is proven to be the best system in the world.

I CANNOT believe you just said that...omg I want you to die so hard right now.

So.. you wnat me to die.... because I have different beliefs than you?

Im curious how socialism was 'proven' to be better than a constitutional republic? I didnt know it won the title for better-ness...

A cradle to grave nanny state is really the very last thing I would want to see in this country but maybe all our founding fathers were way off the mark from the get go.

[QUOTE="falconclan"]

Rikusaki, I hate to tell you this, but even if Barrack wins this thread, he may not win the white house :(. I'm surprised that McCain even has as much as he does in the poll, because I know OT is widely Liberal/Democrat.

I'm voting McCain, I hope everyone who is voting for Obama will make the better choice when they are actually old enough TO vote. Obama may be for change, but that doesn't mean its for the better. You better hope he wises up when he makes it to the office.

Rikusaki

That's your opinion. To me, socialism is better because everyone benefits. Nobody is ignored. Everyone is cared for. Nobody is left behind.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

And what does Obama bring? A bad "solution" to health care? Massive taxation of industry? Bigger government? Why are these good things?

jer_1

Socialism is proven to be the best system in the world.

I CANNOT believe you just said that...omg I want you to die so hard right now.

So.. you wnat me to die.... because I have different beliefs than you?

Im curious how socialism was 'proven' to be better than a constitutional republic? I didnt know it won the title for better-ness...

I'm finally agreeing with this guy above me. What is the world coming to? :|

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

Back in the old days, defendants in famous trials got numbers -- the Chicago Eight, the Gang of Four, the Dave Clark Five, the Daytona 500. McCain was one of the "Keating Five," congressmen investigated on ethics charges for strenuously helping convicted racketeer Charles Keating after he gave them large campaign contributions and vacation trips.

Charles Keating was convicted of racketeering and fraud in both state and federal court after his Lincoln Savings & Loan collapsed, costing the taxpayers $3.4 billion. His convictions were overturned on technicalities; for example, the federal conviction was overturned because jurors had heard about his state conviction, and his state charges because Judge Lance Ito (yes, that judge) screwed up jury instructions. Neither court cleared him, and he faces new trials in both courts.)

Though he was not convicted of anything, McCain intervened on behalf of Charles Keating after Keating gave McCain at least $112,00 in contributions. In the mid-1980s, McCain made at least 9 trips on Keating's airplanes, and 3 of those were to Keating's luxurious retreat in the Bahamas . McCain's wife and father-in-law also were the largest investors (at $350,000) in a Keating shopping center; the Phoenix New Times called it a "sweetheart deal."

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]you forget Gov. Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas and by extension George "baby killer" Tiller under Obama's list. Oh did you know that Father Pfleger has been suspended for two weeks by His Eminence Francis Cardinal George, Metropolitan Archbishop of Chicago for his rant about Clinton, before that Pfleger got in trouble for "illicitly" campaigning for Obama (canon law bans Catholic clergy from publicly supporting a specific politician or political party, although they are allowed to publicly endorse or oppose certain laws and issues and in many cases are encouraged to do so). But the people you mention, make me feel like not voting for either.... HIllary Clinton 2008 (as an idenpendant)? Ralph Nader?Dreams-Visions

So what do you think of McCain's mob ties? How about his domestic terrorist ties? How about his "old friend" that was one of the Watergate break-in crooks?

Are you a fan of McCain's convicted felon buddies? The ones that screwed America out of over $1 billion dollars?

Are you a fan of Cindy? You know...the slut he banged while he was married to Carol? lol this guy left his crippled wife in the dust. How about Cindy's fairly recent criminal drug habbit for which she escaped conviction because of her wealth?

Personally, I don't think Obama's 4 or 5 people hold a candlestick to McCain's list. And I didn't even mention Hagee and Parsley. or his mysoginistic tendencies (calling his wife the C word in public).

I don't know about Obama, but the Republicans disliked McCain for many good reasons listed above. He's hoping people forget who he really is. Believe that people will make sure all this stuff gets put right back on the table to consider.

I think a man who cheats on his wife then leaves her while she's crippled is a man not even fit to lead his own family. So how does he lead The United States of America?

You should look up JFK and other presidents

[QUOTE="jer_1"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="chandlerr_360"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="Rhazakna"]

And what does Obama bring? A bad "solution" to health care? Massive taxation of industry? Bigger government? Why are these good things?

msudude211

Socialism is proven to be the best system in the world.

I CANNOT believe you just said that...omg I want you to die so hard right now.

So.. you wnat me to die.... because I have different beliefs than you?

Im curious how socialism was 'proven' to be better than a constitutional republic? I didnt know it won the title for better-ness...

I'm finally agreeing with this guy above me. What is the world coming to? :|

Its coming to socialism apparently, if the lemmings have their way...

Hope you guys love Arm&Hammer and Vodka cause were headed in that direction.

Its coming to socialism apparently, if the lemmings have their way...

Hope you guys love Arm&Hammer and Vodka cause were headed in that direction.

jer_1

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="falconclan"]

Rikusaki, I hate to tell you this, but even if Barrack wins this thread, he may not win the white house :(. I'm surprised that McCain even has as much as he does in the poll, because I know OT is widely Liberal/Democrat.

I'm voting McCain, I hope everyone who is voting for Obama will make the better choice when they are actually old enough TO vote. Obama may be for change, but that doesn't mean its for the better. You better hope he wises up when he makes it to the office.

falconclan

That's your opinion. To me, socialism is better because everyone benefits. Nobody is ignored. Everyone is cared for. Nobody is left behind.

So you are saying that...

Getting out of Iraq is not change?

Lowering taxes for the poor is not change?

A universal healthcare system is not change?

Giving teachers higher pay is not change?

Raising the minimun wage is not change?

Putting an end to the failed economic policys of Bush is not change?

Then what is change?

[QUOTE="falconclan"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="falconclan"]

Rikusaki, I hate to tell you this, but even if Barrack wins this thread, he may not win the white house :(. I'm surprised that McCain even has as much as he does in the poll, because I know OT is widely Liberal/Democrat.

I'm voting McCain, I hope everyone who is voting for Obama will make the better choice when they are actually old enough TO vote. Obama may be for change, but that doesn't mean its for the better. You better hope he wises up when he makes it to the office.

Rikusaki

That's your opinion. To me, socialism is better because everyone benefits. Nobody is ignored. Everyone is cared for. Nobody is left behind.

So you are saying that...

Getting out of Iraq is not change?

Lowering taxes for the poor is not change?

A universal healthcare system is not change?

Giving teachers higher pay is not change?

Raising the minimun wage is not change?

Putting an end to the failed economic policys of Bush is not change?

Then what is change?

Obama. McCain is nowhere near to being a step in the right direction. The fact that he advocates so little variance to the miserably failed foreign and economic policy standards of Bush is quite disconcerting. It's somewhat good to have a conservative candidate that's a bit more of a centrist, but his stagnant stances on the war and economy are unacceptable. That, coupled with the fact that he has shown himself to be rather uninformed on major issues such as the economy and even foreign policy (somewhat surprisingly, seeing as that's supposed to be his strong point). For those reasons he's not a suitable president, especially after the last miserable administration.

Obama is not perfect by any means. In fact, he was just caught pandering to a pro-Israel lobby group with anti-Iran rhetoric, which I disagree with. He needs to be better than that and not play the same fear mongering game as McCain. Aside, though, Obama is the best choice. Eliminating the breaks for the upper c.lass and establishing provisions such as healthcare and education affordability are steps in the right direction. Obama isn't proposing "socialism". He proposing socialized programs that still fall well within our government's standards. Making basic necessities affordable opens up the door for a great many people, and there's no reason not to attempt it.

As for Iraq, there's no question. We need out. A full occupation just doesn't cut it. The entire conflict has been such a drain on the economy, costing hundreds of billions in addition to the many American lives that have been lost (news flash: you're "supporting the troops" more by not wanting them to stay in Iraq). We will of course still have a troop presence over there, but wanting to occupy Iraq for 100 years (yes, I used McCain's statement out of context; so sue me; it was a massively dumb thing to say on his part) is unacceptable given the world's current political climate. America needs to disassociate itself from foreign conflicts, and drop the fear mongering "terrorism" propaganda. Yes, it's a threat, but it shouldn't be grossly exaggerated and used to scare people into supporting political agendas. Only then will we be able to recover our damaged image and standing in world politics.

As I said, Obama isn't perfect but McCain's obliviousness to the failures of the past administration is wholly unacceptable. We can't have that, which is why I'll be fully supporting Obama in the election.