Batman Vs. Superman looks to be a flop.

Number 2 is from the comics. Not made for the movie.

Thats hella funny man. You gotta be hardcore, be like Batman. But honestly Superman was the first super hero i watched on the TV, and he will always be my fav.

@drunk_pi:

I seen episodes of Superman and Batman back in the 90's. I do recall Batman Animated being dark/gritty.

I thought Superman went this route too but to a lesser extent.

BTAS while brilliant, owes a lot of it's tone and aesthetic to Burton's Batman '89.

I'm looking at Rotten Tomatoes and the critics certainly haven't been kind. On the other hand the audience gives it a 78% so it's seems to be worth seeing.

@sayyy-gaa: they probably aren't targeting kids much

You can't think for yourself in this day and age,don't be ridiculous! You'll believe what these nonsense reviews and reviewers are selling dammit!

Thank god there is at least one person that has a mind.

I still want to see it, but a lot of things disappoint me.

Jesse Eisenberg as Luthor? That's a movie-killer for me right there, the equivelent of Hayden Christenson in Star Wars, just unbearable.

On the flip side, Jason Momoa as aquaman (I heard it was a small role, but promising for the future) is great; been a fan of his since Stargate. And I hear, contrary to expectations, that Ben Afleck is great as a grizzled Batman.

I want to see it, and I hope it does well, because these movies will lead to [hopefully] a Justice League movie. I need me some Hawkgirl, Martian Manhunter, Flash, etc goodness!

That is the one thing about the movie that gives me pause. And the trailers with him don't alleviate that concern.

Supposedly he is terrible as Lex Luthor as well, so we don't have another Heath Ledger as Joker type surprise here. It was just a baffingly awful casting decision...

I just don't like the guy. Then factor in how miscast he looks...I mean c'mon. And in this one, Batman is older...doesn't make sense for Luthor to be some young kid with a bunch of hair.

In everything I've seen him in, he has been the worst part of the movie. Worst part of Zombieland...annoying in American Ultra...apparently you star in some biopic about Facebook and suddenly you're a great actor? Ugh just talking about him makes me sad...

Can't wait to seem my man j eis do his thing

Reviews these days are worth less than opinions. If reviews mattered then Michael Bay wouldn't have a career. I'm still trying to figure out why anyone pays a person for a review on anything anymore. It's someone telling you why their shit smells better than someone else's shit.

They have their purpose, for sure. They're worth listening to in order to find the diamonds in the rough, but you can safely ignore them as long as you know you're going into a mindless action flick or comedy (and you're OK with that).

Wasnt going to watch this movie regardless. The whole premise of the movie looked bad.

Well I thought Man of Steel sucked so my expectations for this film are very low. I'll probably still watch it.

running time 2 hours and 32 minutes ... this is gonne be tough

@LostProphetFLCL: I don't care what critics think, to be honest. They're too biased and have no regard for what the viewer would actually like because they think they know what the public likes. This is a superhero movie and it's DC. DC isn't all flowers and bubblegum like Marvel. Since when was action and dark and gritty a bad thing?

It almost feels like Marvel pays them off to give them better reviews. Age of Ultron wasn't even that good and neither where any of the Thor movies. Captain America Winter Soldier was average at best. Were we watching the same movies?

I'm still watching Batman v Superman tomorrow. If it's Snyder, it's bound to have a cult following. I loved Watchmen and Man of Steel.

I was just looking at something that said reviewers were expecting a Marvel movie when they went in. That would account for them lowering the scores. Not sure if true though. I did watch a video review which gave the movie a B. Which is good. Anyway I plan to watch it as soon as I get a chance to do so.

I'm looking forward to seeing it. In my opinion, Man of Steel was better than over half of the movies Marvel puts out.

Can anyone honestly say they are surprised? it has Asfleck in it after all , so of course it´s going to be a flop.

Review I watched just graded him an A.

Their opinions are not the end-all but they are definitely helpful especially when you know how to read into reviews.

Certain genres are favored far more than others, so when you know which genres are favored, you can kind of develop your own way of reading into the reviews.

Dramas are always overrated so their opinions are pretty useless for that genre IMO except to maybe weed out the really terrible dramas.

With horror movies, anything getting a meta 70 and up is going to be pretty damn good. That genre is consistently LOW in terms of reviews, so even 60 meta score movies can be worth a watch horror wise.

They actually aren't completely terrible when it comes to action movies either. They might give them more "average" scores in the 70's and 80's, but they don't really rail on those movies usually unless they really suck.

Comedies are a total crapshoot though. Really hard to figure out if a comedy is good based on critic reviews, likely because of how subjective humor is.

Besides the difference in genre appreciation (reviewers crap themselves over dramas whereas the average movie-goer goes for something like a action movie more often than a drama) reviewer opinion differs from audiences because they actually do know something about film-making compared to the average viewer.

If the average movie viewer wasn't so damn ignorant film-knowledge wise people like Michael Bay WOULDN'T have a career. The man shouldn't have a career as he makes absolutely HORRENDOUS movies. He just throws in shiny explosions and way too many people out there eat that shit up.

I honestly find it sad how damn stupid the average movie-goer is. There is nothing wrong with action movies (and in fact they might be one of my favorite genres) but have some damn standards when it comes to the genre. Explosions don't equal good film-making. Have the action shot well, have at least an okay plot to push the action, and at least have SOME of your brain actually turned on for the movie. Film-makers KNOW how dumb the audience is which is why they will just run with the dumbest plots imaginable and just leave gaping plot holes in movies because they KNOW the audience will be too dumb to notice.

I will say, I think people might be waking up at least as of late. It made me very happy to see God's of Egypt fail as hard as it did. That was the perfect example of a movie treating it's audience like they were complete idiots and this time people actually didn't buy it! They didn't care about the shiny CGI action for a change! They saw through the shiny and were able to see how dumb it looked.

Now if people could stop seeing the absolute shit horror movies that would be great. It is absolutely pathetic that Annabelle is getting a sequel, but it made money so of course we are getting plagued with a sequel. It made money despite being one of the worst horror movies I have ever seen in my life (I red boxed it out of curiosity. Definitely regret even paying the $1 to see that trash).

As for this movie, I think the audience might hate it too. A spoiler review I watched said it was 2 hours of crappy build-up just for Batman and Superman to fight for literally 5 minutes, just to have them put their differences aside for literally the dumbest reason imaginable. Of course then they had to throw in Doomsday to give the Justice League something to fight in the end.

It sounds complete unsatisfying and I bet people are going to feel really burned if that reviewer is telling the truth. I know I would.

@LostProphetFLCL: I use the $1 Redbox/Family Video aisle specifically to take a chance on movies that are most likely to be terrible (don't laugh, sometimes you can find some good surprises in there!). If you regretted spending $1 on a movie, it must really be awful.

@LostProphetFLCL: You can't go see a superhero movie and not expect a predictable plot with alot of action. I already know the Batman vs Superman story from comics and cartoons. If it follows them at all then it's a good superhero movie.

@LostProphetFLCL: Angry Joe just review Dawn of Justice and he wasn't that thrill at all but he was also cool with the movie for the most parts. If you wanna look at his Dawn of Justice review, here it is:

https://youtu.be/LMaIhAP7aeo

(sent from my mobile)

Like I said, action movies don't need anything crazy plot wise. A decent plot is all that is required to at least give some context for the action.

Fury Road is a great example. Very minimal plot there, but it was enough to give context to the insanity that was going on. Even critics loved that movie in spite of it not having anything crazy going on plot wise. That movie also had great camera work, decent acting, good special effects, and most important great choreography.

Hell, I love The Conjuring and that movie has a very basic plot that has been done a million times. Thing is, it had great camera work, fantastic atmosphere, and in general Wan to me showed a fantastic understanding of what makes horror movies tick and he used that knowledge to legitimately set-up some great scares.

Marvel movies have all those ingredients as well which is why people (including me) love them. Thing is reviews I have seen/read (I checked out a few) for Batman Vs. Superman have suggested that even those elements are lacking along with the plot being batshit awful. There is supposedly a lack of action and the movie mostly just builds up to what is apparently a disappointing final fight and then there is just a deus ex machina type finale that is just there to set-up the franchise.

If I do see the movie this weekend like I think we are going to do I will post in here my thoughts on it. Like I said earlier I did enjoy Man of Steel which got a lot of hate.

IF the specific things I have been hearing reviewers say about this movie are true though then I expect to hate it. That spoiler review someone posted earlier really makes this movie sound like an absolute mess which is a shame.

To me it is like the major purpose of redbox. I use it to try out movies I think could suck big time and I also use it to see movies that I might not get out to the theater to see even though I wanted to check them out.

Almost everytime I have used it to check out movies I had concerns about, those movies have been pretty shit. Annabelle was a highlight though. That movie was a special kind of shit. Cannot believe so many people rushed to see that in the theater with how bad the previews had looked....

@LostProphetFLCL: Great to know you liked Man of Steel. If you can like that, there's no reason not to like Batman vs Superman. Regardless of the poor reviews, it was still an awesome movie by its own merit. I would've avoided too many movies like that if I listened to reviewers.

They said the same about Terminator Salvation and Genisys and I actually loved those movies. Maybe comedy isn't the only thing subjective to opinion here. Either way I already bought the damn ticket so it's too late to back out now. (Not that I want to) Can you believe they sold out a week ahead of time? Not even Star Wars got that crazy! Tomorrow will be the moment of truth.

User rate on metacritic is surprising positive 7.7

I saw the movie yesterday. It took for ever to try and set up the plot line which they never really did. The action scenes were good and the ending set it up for another movie.

I saw it last night.... i'm a huge DC fan and actually liked a lot of what they did in Man of Steel, but this movie was just bad. Idon't want to spoil anything, but it was all over the place and they made some bad decisions IMHO.

I will say that Ben Affleck's Batman is superb and the strongest part of the movie despite one massive glaring flaw with the character. A flaw that might be my hugest gripe with the entire film.

@Pikminmaniac: Exactly! After people complained in Man of Steel about Superman killing, the studio doubled-down on the murder and decided to make killing a regular part of Batman's persona. It's not like he was conflicted about killing someone in a major scene; no... this Batman was exploding people, stabbing bad guys in the heart, crushing cars with people in it, and then dragging said car like a wrecking ball behind him to crush more cars with more people. They had this Batman breaking his one rule, a central part of his character, like it never existed.

And Batman was STILL the best part of the movie.

I get the feeling that Warner Bros. feels pigeon-holed. They want to be more like Marvel in the way they handle cinematic universes; and when they look to the other side of the fence they see that Marvel's Cinematic Universe doesn't make a big deal about their heroes' willingness to kill. The Marvel movies don't bring up that moral conflict. So Warner Bros. thinks they can do that themselves and just have Superman and Batman kill in a very matter-of-fact way without it being a huge deal. It is a huge deal.

And Batman was STILL the best part of the movie.

@Riverwolf007: Preacher is getting a TV show soon, and if I'm not mistake, a Sandman movie is in talks right now.

On topic, I feel no hype to any of the comic book movies. To me, a story without an end is not satisfying in any way shape or form, and these are deliberately designed to go on forever. It's why I prefer comics like Preacher- they have a definite end, making it a more satisfying story. Everyone is getting so excited for Batman vs Superman and Civil War and I just yawn. I don't care anymore, and it's incredible to me how people still buy into it.

Watched Batman/Returns at the weekend, good reminder of how awesome Keaton was. Aside from lightening the character up, he talks too much. No sense of mystique.

In Nolan's movie movie especially it goes into great detail and effort, practically having Alfred spell it out while never feeling credible.

Comparatively in Burtons, Keatons introvert, almost static interpretation just needs to make brief eye contact during the decent into mystery sequence to see something ain't right.

And I just watched it and liked it very much. "Critics" can kiss my a**. Seriously, its possibly the most stupid "job" (if we can even call it that) ever. I also would like to be paid to give my opinion on something. And before you come with the so called "educated opinion" argument then dont bother. Opinions are still opinions, and no one call tell me what I'll like and what I wont. I find most oscar winning movies boring as fvck

Judging from everyone's analysis of the movie, I called it. Ben Affleck played a good Batman.

Anyways, I might not see it. I didn't like Man of Steel that much and the BvS movie looks like a jumbled up mess and Jesse as Lex Luthor made no sense. He's a good actor but he played Lex Luthor like some whimsical villain rather than a cool and collected Lex Luthor in the animated series.

Sitting in the theater about to see this movie. Will post thoughts later.

It has the worst plot I've ever seen in a superhero movie. The entire story is a jumbled mess of scenes which barely connect to one another. The story uses contrivance at every turn to make the scenes come together, so none of it feels organic. It doesn't matter who directed it, the writing itself kills this movie. The script is pure nonsensical corporate garbage. Even a good director would have significant trouble making this movie passable.

@LostProphetFLCL: Just saw the movie and it was awesome! On the level of Watchmen and Man of Steel. On one side, I can see why most critics hate Batman vs Superman. It was made almost completely for fans only.

The story follows the original closely but in a slightly alternate universe. Like Earth 2 type. But there's very little explanation because you're expected to know. Like Batman's premonitions. Most people won't get it. They'll scratch their heads thinking, why is this happening? But normal DC fans would know right away. Eventually, the Justice League storyline gets pretty bonkers with paradoxes and alternate dimensions and this movie gives you great glimpses of it.

Then we go to Lex. Why a kid? Well Lex is always a complicated character but in various dimensions, they tell you he can easily shift paradigms and personalities under the right circumstances. This Lex happens to be a kid but he personifies the same greed and lust for power and in many ways, his youth plays in his favor. He's a DIFFERENT Lex Luthor but of the same paradigm.

Basically Batman vs Superman is whatever you make of DC. If you're a huge fan, then this truly is a dream come true. If you're "mehh" then don't watch it, you'll probably hate it.

Ben Affleck is actually an awesome Batman. This Batman is not the normal dark knight. He kills! The only Batman I know who did was Flashpoint Thomas Wayne Batman. But this Batman looks and feels more like Dark Knight Returns. He kills but not needlessly and he doesn't exactly carry a gun on his belt. But he does fight tons better than the older Batmen and even breaks bones.

Batman is my favorite part of this movie but seeing Wonderwoman was pretty awesome too. Everything just felt like I was a kid again seeing a live action/gritty Justice League movie. Great for fans but plenty others might not be happy with it. The best and worst of Snyder is that he doesn't stray too far from the material just to please everyone like Marvel.

10/10

Burtons killed.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hn_FMsoTkGY

@killered3: Here's my critique, and I'm not holding any spoilers back for anybody that hasn't seen it but is still planning to.

This was a jumbled mess of a movie. The first act of the movie is thrown at you at breakneck speed, jumping from scene to scene to scene to scene without time for establishing shots or a chance for you to catch up. It's like they tried to stuff five movies into the time span of a single movie so not enough care went into any story.

I came in expecting a Batman vs. Superman movie, but they fought for like 8 minutes total, in a 2 hour 30 minute movie. They did a decent job establishing Batman's motivations for taking down Supes, but for Superman they just made Lex take his mother hostage in order to make him fight. COME ON! Superman would have had plenty of motivation for fighting Batman without a contrived reason like this, especially this new brutal take on Batman who killed left and right without giving it a second thought. And those reasons for fighting aren't even dealt with after they make a truce... Batman still has reasons to worry superhumans are unaccountable and Superman still presumably doesn't like that this Batman is essentially The Punisher in a bat costume. It isn't even treated like a truce either; Batman gives up the Kryptonite spear like he'll never need it and Batman's brutality is never spoken of again. "Your Mom has the same name my Mom has. We are brothers now." This story arc is haphazardly started and then is never completed.

The movie gave no motivations for Lex Luthor, he just hates Superman for some unstated reason. In the established stories, he hates Superman because Superman foils his plans... but his hasn't ever happened in the movies yet. Superman is brand new to Earth here. The movie starts with him knowing Superman is Clark Kent and is already trying to defame him. If he's trying to kill a god because he sees all these new superhumans as threats, why would he create another in the form of Doomsday? Not explained. This is bad storytelling.

This movie isn't a cohesive story; it's a 120 minute setup of other movies with fan service sprinkled liberally.

When the Flash came to Bruce Wayne, I cheered thinking, "OMG, they actually didn't spoil everything in the trailer!" I was ready for this bit to actually go somewhere. Was there going to be a pivotal moment where Batman has to make a difficult choice that could lead to or away from his visions? Is the Flash going to show up for the last fight too? "HAHAHA NO," laughs Snyder. "Buy tickets for the next movie, dumbass." That s*** literally goes nowhere. It only serves to make Bruce tell Diana that they need to recruit superheroes otherwise they can't call this movie Dawn of Justice.

DESPITE ALL THAT, I still think this movie is a 7/10.

Why? Because Batman f***in' fights Superman! I've wished to see this on the big screen for ages. Moreover, this Batman might be the best live action Batman despite all the killing.

That warehouse fight scene alone is worth the price of admission for a fan like me. But this movie is not for people who don't already know who all these characters are.

Some baffling decisions.

----- SPOILER'S-------

- Credits

Almost beat per beat is the same from Batman Begins. Sure, it's from the comics, but almost everyone is aware of this back story, it is firmly ingrained in pop culture. If there is one character that probably didn't need setting up it's Batman

- Next scene

Horrible 911 imagery. Not loose, comic book allegory, or fun in anyway. We see people on cell phones before the building collaspes in on itself. We see a guys legs crushed under fallen building wreckage and then finally a kid pointing up to a demolished building to indicate her mommy is dead.

Really? That's how you wanna open the movie?

- Next scene

Interview with ISIS goes wrong, man shot point blank in the face

- Next scene

Awkward bath sex

- Next scene

Caged teenage girls in a sex predators dungeon Gets his skin removed.

Very violent movies like RoboCop balance out disturbing or dark scenes with black humor. This movie is truly miserable.

@LexLas: Superman is the scholar athlete with the world in front of him; idealistic, optimistic, cheerful, positive teaching.

Batman is the artistic goth kid with the world behind him; cynical, negative frame of mind, tough love. Smarter than anyone realizes, brilliantly creative...but people are too busy going "Man, what an ***hole" to see it.

That's how I've seen it. And it's why I like Wonder Woman, she does her own thang. She only poops bricks when her mom is around.

Holy shit that movie was fucking AWFUL! I am fairly certain this will be the worst movie I see all year. (I am going to try and avoid spoilers here)

I don't know if I have ever seen a movie fail on so many levels before. If you come in wanting a thrilling action movie, you are shit out of luck. I made a point of looking at the time at different points of the movie just to make points here. You do not get your first legitimate action sequence till HALFWAY THROUGH THE DAMN MOVIE! It is a shitty ass chase scene that comes in at around an hour and twelve minutes into the movie and last maybe a couple of minutes and was nothing exciting. You don't see another action sequence till over a half hour after that...

On a story level, holy shit does this movie fall flat on it's face. I heard a theory that the movie originally had Lex AND the Joker teaming up to get the heroes to fight each other (which wow that would have been a MUCH better movie most likely) but somewhere down the line they decided to axe the Joker but were too lazy to truly re-write the story. It makes sense considering this is only "Lex Luthor" by name. I do not know how you **** up a character so bad. It is literally like we are seeing anti-Lex here.

Instead of an imposing business man who uses his intellect to routinely compete with a God like figure, we get a psychotic little twerp who seems to have NO BUSINESS owning any sort of corporation and who instead of being calm and collected like Luthor usually is, he just seems to be consistently ready to completely lose it at any second, even when giving speeches at parties celebrating his success (which BTW no one seems to fucking care or notice him having a psychotic break on the stage). He has literally NO MOTIVATION for his actions (leading credence to the axed Joker theory) and in fact what little insight we are given into his motives really makes his actions look completely counter-intuitive to what he would want.

I cannot get over how fucking AWFUL his character was and no it isn't as simple as being Eissenberg's fault. He actually TRIES to do what he can with the character. No, what we have is a complete and utter failing of the writing department. They literally wrote an entirely different character and then just decided to put the Lex Luthor name on it. His character wasn't the only one fucked up in this movie, but it was by far the WORST to the point it just might be the worst interpretation of an established character I have ever seen. A huge part of what kills this movie is how awful that one character is. It fucks up the entire movie seeing as his "master plotting" is supposed to be a major force driving the plot.

As said though, Luthor isn't the only character fucked up here. No, they managed to screw up one of the title characters here and it is actually NOT Afleck's fault. Batman ends up coming off as a fucking psychopath in this movie. Not only does his obsession with taking out Superman come off as crazy (even if there is actual rationale behind it), but he turns into a homicidal maniac by the end of the movie. Remember how Batman has that "no kill" rule? You can throw that shit straight out the window. He murders probably dozens of men by the end of the movie and not by simple accident. He flat out stabs a random henchman in the fucking hear at one point. Oh and he uses a gun. Like holy ****....

On a positive note, the acting actually isn't shit. Even Eissenberg doesn't necessarily put on a poor performance. He just happens to be playing a horribly written character and does his best to try and make it work (which spoiler alert: it doesn't). A particular highlight is Jeremy Irons as Alfred. He killed the role and had me legitimately laughing when he was on screen (which most of my laughing was not intentional on the movies part. It was just that bad). Oh and the intro was pretty well shot particular the shot they used when going over the death of Batmans Mom.

Back to the negative though, this movies pacing absolutely sucks. Besides one short chase scene, you go a whole one hour and fifty fucking minutes without an action scene in a God damn superhero movie. What the actual ****? THIS MOVIE GOES THE ENTIRETY OF A WHOLE MOVIE IN ITSELF WITH ONLY A COUPLE MINUTES OF ACTION IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE AND ONCE AGAIN THIS IS A GOD DAMN SUPERHERO MOVIE! After that you get maybe a half hour of straight action (which BTW the title fight is a whopping 8 minutes long and is way one-sided and not the way one would think) then you finish the movie with like ten to fifteen minutes of a crappy ass epilogue (which at this point the audience was so out of it they laughed when one person said OMG loudly and was told to shut the **** up by someone else. People literally thought it a joke that someone actually respected the movie enough to demand proper theater etiquette at that point...) That leaves a two and a half hour superhero movie with only one fifth of that time having actual action, and that action is all shoved in at the end of the movie.

Speaking of the action, the title fight is ok (albeit as I said horribly one-sided) but that only lasts eight minutes out of the thirty minutes of action. The rest features the wonderfully trailer-spoiled fight against Doomsday which was wonderfully mediocre. It is a fairly standard superhero fight, albeit this time featuring drab brown backgrounds to punctuate the psychotic over-use of bright flashing orange lights! I am not epileptic but I seriously thought I was going to have a damn seizure watching that fight. I would seriously warn that anyone with epilepsy should try and avoid watching that fight. It was fucking ridiculous.

The CGI in general was surprisingly terrible at times. It wasn't always a huge distraction, but there were times where I was actually shocked at how bad some of the CGI looked. In particular, there is a shot of a character getting hit into a building (big surprise in a superhero movie!) and the effect of the building being slammed into was so bad that I think I have seen better effects on youtube videos. It was jarring to see in such a major, big-budget movie.

The long runtime was completely unjustified and there was just way too much movie that should have been cut out. In particular, there was a dream sequence that lasted a few minutes that was completely unnecessary and just felt like a waste of time as it did NOTHING to really push anyones motivations. Hell, Luthor could have been taken out of this movie entirely and it would have been fine. He seriously spends the movie trying to orchestrate a fight between two characters who are already getting at each others throats. His involvement does almost nothing to really push them to fight. It is just insane how bad this plot is.

I am still baffled by how bad this movie turned out. This concept should have produced something amazing but instead we got not even mediocrity, but an absolute pile of SHIT for a movie. It is even WORSE that what my very lowered expectations were. I had hoped that the action-packed finale would have at least helped justify the movies existence but it even failed on that level.

The movie was dog shit and if this a proper indication of what to expect with DC's cinematic universe then I will go on being strictly a Marvel guy. Suicide Squad does look interesting enough that I might see it, and there is still a chance that future Justice League movies could be great, granted they did manage to completely ruin a key villain in their universe beyond repair...

Don't see this movie people. It is hard to even justify a Redbox rental IMO. Easily the worst superhero movie I have seen....

@LostProphetFLCL: Disagree, I thought the action was good, and the acting (minus Luthor's abortion) was ok. Plot was meh.

I give it a C+

@LostProphetFLCL: This is how much I agree.

Warning May Contain Spoilers:

I'm fortunate enough to have read or learned enough about the source material from the comic books they put in the movie so I understood the movie's plot. After watching certain scenes, I thought to myself, "oh wow, they took that from this, they took this from that". When I first saw Doomsday, I told the wife that in the comicbooks he kills Supes but I wasn't sure they were gonna go there. So after seeing it, I was pleased. Even the black casket pays homage to the comicbooks and that storyline. Anyway, the movie was so packed with so much source material that I could understand why some people would be totally lost and not get it if they don't know the source material before watching.

I mean, I didn't like this Lex Luthor at all. Annoying as funk! I didn't even know Lex had hair but after watching a special, they said there's a version of Lex that has hair. I just kept on saying to myself, there are certain things in the film that you may not know but most likely it's source material and came straight from the comics. But even accepting that there is a version of Lex with hair, the facebook actor guy was just off, all the way to the end lol. I don't know that version of Lex but all I know I don't like that version or portrayal. Maybe if I knew even just an ounce I would appreciate it but this Lex didn't do it for me lol.

Also it's so weird that I learned to recognize certain director's directing styles. I mean I've watched Snyders movies before like Watchmen and Sucker Punch, so I knew this film could jump from scene to scene which it did. I kept up from scene to scene to scene but I can tell how someone would get thrown off track and get confused once again lol. I wish some scenes would be longer or fleshed out better so the average movie goer could understand what the hell is going on. Actually there was a part when Bruce was dreaming and The Flash came out of nowhere to warn him about something, I was like what's going on?! but then I had to really think about it and having watched The Flash TV show prior, I knew Flash could time travel lol. If you didn't know how The Flash and time travel, that part would get you totally lost. That time traveler vision thing was Flash right? Lol.

So overall, knowing what I know coming into the movie, I appreciate the movie and all the things it was trying to display and showcase. I'm excited to see the other pieces so hopefully when they're shown you could go back to BvS:DoJ and appreciate this beginning. I enjoyed the movie but at the same time I understand why critics or other movie goers would not like it at all.

Although I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed The Dark Knight, I definitely would watch it again and I'm ordering the R-Rated Blu-Ray when it is available.

I know some people prejudged it because they were already upset that Ben Affleck was playing Batman and they wanted Christian Bale to come back for the role (even though Superman wouldn't fit in the Nolan universe and using the same character would make people assume it was a continuation of that storyline). Then there were people that probably wanted this movie to have more in common with the Marvel movies.

To each their own, I'm not going to criticize someone for not liking it, since different people have different opinions. One of the people that works for me watched it Friday night and wanted to watch it again last night when I went to see it. Considering that we have to wait in line for over an hour outside to see it (we're on a military base in Kuwait and have one movie tent with about 150-200 seats for several thousand people to share), that is probably a testament to how much he liked it.

I saw some of the plot holes in it, such as when it was bought up why Superman didn't just give the Kryptonite spear to Wonder Woman instead of using it on Doomsday himself when it was weakening him to be near it, especially with her being a warrior that would be more skilled at using a spear than he ever would. But it wasn't enough to destroy the movie for me.

I'm not upset about Batman killing people in this movie just like I wasn't upset about Superman snapping General Zod's neck in Man of Steel to save the family Zod was about to burn. Sometimes, you have to bring modern times into play, and realistically, you can't expect a hero to never kill no matter what. Police officers may have to do it to stop a criminal, soldiers may have to do it in battle, and most superheroes already abandoned the no-kill rule long before this movie came out.

@ad1x2: Haven't seen the movie yet but in regard to your last statements. When both characters were initially created that was a common thing for both of them to do. It was only when a backlash against comics occurred that the characters were sanitized. It's actually NOT a new idea for either.