BBC reports WTC7 collapses half an hour before it actually does

There is no 9/11 conspiracy. let's start with scientific proof:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

 You realize that, that article was written by Benjamin Chertoff? Ben Chertoff just so happens to be Micheal Chertoff's cousin. Micheal Chertoff is the head of the Deptartment of Homeland Security. That is no coincidence.

Of course it isn't. It also means he is in a much more qualified position to answer questions and research the events surrounding 9/11.

1. Why destroy WTC 7 hours after the main event?

Why destroy WTC at all?

This is an argument?

2. The largest building ever demolished was half the size of the twin towers, and it still took 7 months and 4000 charges. how could you do something twice the size in a crowded office building and have nobody notice?

 How could two buildings collapse due to two planes crashing into it? When they were designed to withstand such an impact. Do you not have faith in our engineers, scientists, etc? Do you think Americans are incompetent? Why is the Empire State Building still standing? It was hit by a B52 bomber! Surely it had an actual bomb or two on board.. while the planes that hit WTC did not.

This is all completely false. The Empire State Building and WTC towers were completely different buildings based on completely different design concepts. The Empire state buildings has NEVER been hit by a B-52. Where in the name of god crazy **** did you hear that? It was hit by a B-25 though. Read carefully, B-TWENTY ****ING FIVE. Apparently people are so stupid these days they actually mess up simple letter and number order.

Yes, because as we know, a B-52 is ALWAYS fully loaded when flying over an American City. Gotta watch them pidgeons. Bastards are always plotting.

3. Why has there been no whistle blower who's come out and ruined the whole thing?

 Oh, but there has. They are just not given press.

How in god's name are you smart enough to breathe? Has it ever occured to you that in order to keep it quiet, the government and media would need to pay off and keep quiet THOUSANDS of people? Considering the government can't even keep Clinton's private blowjob secret, how do you insinuate they could keep this quiet?

4. Why are the conspiracy nerds still alive? Why wouldn't a government that killed thousands of its own people silence them?

It's really quite simple. Because people like you don't take them seriously. Another thing is, what you don't realize that hundreds of websites have been censored and removed from the internet. If this alone doesn't make you understand that we are living under tyranny I really don't know what will. You do believe in free speech, right? I will now finish this with reiterating what I said at the beginning:

With statements like that,  as well as your inability to differentiate between a B-25 Mitchell and a B-52 Stratofortress, how do you expect us to take you seriously? Based on what you've shown us so far, you have all the intelligence of a mentally challenged chimpanzee banging on his keyboard.

Well.....maybe it was a text error...........The main two buildings that went down had numbers to them as well, so perhaps at the time the news stations were frantic....or maybe they pulled a Fox and did like they did when Bush hadn't yet won the '00 election.BranKetra

Ironically, the "conspiracy theory" is the one that accuses muslim terrorists of being responsible. Of course the government isn't going to admit that they did it!

Last time I checked, even the people who are closest to the whole ordeal - that would be New Yorkers themselves, and the families of the victims - believe it was an inside job. They would know more about it than even we would, given that ever since 9/11 happened, no one has been affected by it more, thought about it more, or investigated it more, than the people I just mentioned. So if they think they government did it, then....

my_balls_itch

How so? Some families of the Titanic victims claimed that the ship was sunk by a German torpedo. Being related to someone involved in the incident does not suddenly make you an expert on it. Their is no correlation between the two at all.

i agree man. I actually posted this topic a couple of days ago. Don't bother with these people.... they are to scared to look at the facts. Good to see theres another person with similar views to me on here/proctorsurf

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Well.....maybe it was a text error...........The main two buildings that went down had numbers to them as well, so perhaps at the time the news stations were frantic....or maybe they pulled a Fox and did like they did when Bush hadn't yet won the '00 election.weffer

So, I'm not clear; id the argument that the government was sending out press releases on their diabolical activities and accidentally sent one early, or that the entire BBC news organization was in on it or what?xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"]So, I'm not clear; id the argument that the government was sending out press releases on their diabolical activities and accidentally sent one early, or that the entire BBC news organization was in on it or what?d-rtyboy

But still, getting back to the topic, you still haven't explained how BBC managed to get their hands on the story of the WTC7 collapse before it actually happened. If the best yall can do is tell me it's "typo" ... lol... yall really need to reconsider what you think to be true about the WTC demolition.d-rtyboy

[QUOTE="xaos"]So, I'm not clear; id the argument that the government was sending out press releases on their diabolical activities and accidentally sent one early, or that the entire BBC news organization was in on it or what?d-rtyboy

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

Or, as was already established, they simply got the names of the buildings confused. :| Ninja-Vox

>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused Ninja-Vox

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I'm pretty sure as president, he still has morals.  You don't just decide to run for president being a decent person, then turn and get all this secret information about all of the things "really going on in the world" and decide to kill your own people.  Even if you dont like bush as a president, I'm willing to bet he would never agree to kill innocent americans.  Headz_Up

Even if he was that morally bankrupt, he has hardly has the means to convince millions of firefighters, police, congressmen, generals, demolitions experts, NSA personel, air traffic controllers, scientists, and FAA officials, to keep it quiet.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Or, as was already established, they simply got the names of the buildings confused. :| d-rtyboy

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused d-rtyboy

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="xaos"]So, I'm not clear; id the argument that the government was sending out press releases on their diabolical activities and accidentally sent one early, or that the entire BBC news organization was in on it or what?d-rtyboy

If the government really wanted to demolish the buildings and blame it on terrorists.. why wouldn't they just use bombs? instead of crashing commercial airliners into them?Headz_Up

[QUOTE="Headz_Up"]If the government really wanted to demolish the buildings and blame it on terrorists.. why wouldn't they just use bombs? instead of crashing commercial airliners into them?Ninja-Vox

Intelligence, political and scientific reason, plus correct, backed up evidence, are apparently no match for kilo upon kilo of pot, and X-Files DVDs.

Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..d-rtyboy

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..d-rtyboy

You blatently misrepresent facts, you tell bare faced lies, you can't tell the difference between a modern B-52 Stratofortress and B-25 Mitchell light mid level bomber, you have no understanding of religious fanatacism, you ignore Occam's Razor, you rely on broken evidence, I can keep going if you want.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused d-rtyboy

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

Because I don't think I could kick your ass any better then I already have. You're entertainment for me at this point.

Ad Hominem is not a problem when arguments are made with it, which I have done, over and over again. And which you have ignored, over and over again.

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..Ninja-Vox

I'll just repost my argument for you so you don't have to go through the trouble of touching anything.

There is no 9/11 conspiracy. let's start with scientific proof:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

You realize that, that article was written by Benjamin Chertoff? Ben Chertoff just so happens to be Micheal Chertoff's cousin. Micheal Chertoff is the head of the Deptartment of Homeland Security. That is no coincidence.

Of course it isn't. It also means he is in a much more qualified position to answer questions and research the events surrounding 9/11.

1. Why destroy WTC 7 hours after the main event?

 Why destroy WTC at all?

This is an argument?

2. The largest building ever demolished was half the size of the twin towers, and it still took 7 months and 4000 charges. how could you do something twice the size in a crowded office building and have nobody notice?

 How could two buildings collapse due to two planes crashing into it? When they were designed to withstand such an impact. Do you not have faith in our engineers, scientists, etc? Do you think Americans are incompetent? Why is the Empire State Building still standing? It was hit by a B52 bomber! Surely it had an actual bomb or two on board.. while the planes that hit WTC did not.

This all completely false. Arguably some of the stupidest thigns i've ever seen written on Gamespot. The Empire State Building and WTC towers were completely different buildings based on completely different design concepts. The Empire state building has NEVER been hit by a B-52. Where in the name of god crazy **** did you hear that? It was hit by a B-25 though. Read carefully, B-TWENTY ****ING FIVE. Apparently people are so stupid these days they actually mess up simple letter and number order.

Yes, because as we know, a B-52 is ALWAYS fully loaded when flying over an American City. Gotta watch them pidgeons. Bastards are always plotting.

3. Why has there been no whistle blower who's come out and ruined the whole thing?

 Oh, but there has. They are just not given press.

How in god's name are you smart enough to breathe? Has it ever occured to you that in order to keep it quiet, the government and media would need to pay off and keep quiet THOUSANDS of people. Considering the government can't even keep Clinton's private blowjob secret, how do you insinuate they could keep this quiet?

4. Why are the conspiracy nerds still alive? Why wouldn't a government that killed thousands of its own people silence them?

It's really quite simple. Because people like you don't take them seriously. Another thing is, what you don't realize that hundreds of websites have been censored and removed from the internet. If this alone doesn't make you understand that we are living under tyranny I really don't know what will. You do believe in free speech, right? I will now finish this with reiterating what I said at the beginning:

With statements like that, how do you expect us to take you seriously? You can't even tell the differance between a high level strategic bomber built in the 50s, and a mid altitude recon and light bomber built in the 30s.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..d-rtyboy

So this shadowy organization is smart enough to set up thousands of charges in some of the worlds largest buildings, and go unnoticed by both the roughly 50000 people who worked there AND the bomb sniffing dogs who came in every week, AND keep everyone working on it quiet, but they spill the beans with one misplaced press release?

Besides, have you ever considered the sheer scope of how big this would be? You'de have thousands of workers, demolitions experts, CIA agents, the entire Bush administration, Popular Mechanics, The NIST, and going by your statements, they traveled back in time to hit the empire states building with a B-52 7 years before they existed.

In other words, it's so stupidly massive you might as well be blaming jewish alien freemasons.

Wow the government really should do a better job hiding ther conspiracy. They somehow know that a building is going to collapse 30 minuts b4 it happens? and when it happens the signal mysteriously disappears.

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

Because I don't think I could kick your ass any better then I already have. You're entertainment for me at this point.

Ad Hominem is not a problem when arguments are made with it, which I have done, over and over again. And which you have ignored, over and over again.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused d-rtyboy

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

Because I don't think I could kick your ass any better then I already have. You're entertainment for me at this point.

Ad Hominem is not a problem when arguments are made with it, which I have done, over and over again. And which you have ignored, over and over again.

It's convienently irrelevant when you want it to be of course. As for your argument on the BBC, Ninja-Vox slammed it down already. I have no need to refute it because my argument is exactly like his. You can continue to ignore his argument as well if you want. Keep posting though, i'm loving every minute of this.  

Because you are apparently too stupid to understand how a back button works, i'll just repost my argument for you so you don't have to go through the trouble of touching anything.

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"]I'm not going to get too in depth with you here.. as I want to go play nwn2 :P but here goes a quicky... [QUOTE="BobElSnob"]

There is no 9/11 conspiracy. let's start with scientific proof:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

CaptHawkeye

Of course it isn't. It also means he is in a much more qualified position to answer questions and research the events surrounding 9/11.

1. Why destroy WTC 7 hours after the main event?

This is an argument?

2. The largest building ever demolished was half the size of the twin towers, and it still took 7 months and 4000 charges. how could you do something twice the size in a crowded office building and have nobody notice?

This all completely false. Arguably some of the stupidest thigns i've ever seen written on Gamespot. The Empire State Building and WTC towers were completely different buildings based on completely different design concepts. The Empire state buildings has NEVER been hit by a B-52. Where in the name of god crazy **** did you hear that? It was hit by a B-25 thought. Read carefully, B-TWENTY ****ING FIVE. Apparently people are so stupid these days they actually mess up simple letter and number order.

Yes, because as we know, a B-52 is ALWAYS fully loaded when flying over an American City. Gotta watch them pidgeons. Bastards are always plotting.

3. Why has there been no whistle blower who's come out and ruined the whole thing?

How in god's name are you smart enough to breathe? Has it ever occured to you that in order to keep it quiet, the government and media would need to pay off and keep quiet THOUSANDS of people. Considering the government can't even keep Clinton's private blowjob secret, how do you insinuate they could keep this quiet?

4. Why are the conspiracy nerds still alive? Why wouldn't a government that killed thousands of its own people silence them?

With statements like that, how do you expect us to take you seriously?

BobElSnob

[QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="CaptHawkeye"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused d-rtyboy

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]>I find it absolutely hilarious that you think the reporters getting the names of the three buildings confused CaptHawkeye

I'd explain the concept of Occam's Razor to you, but I don't think you could handle it.

with no apparent motivation other than that they 'hate our freedoms.'"

Blatently false as well. Bin Laden is motivated by a hatred of non Islamic countries and their existence in the middle east as a result of oil trade and business. As for motivation, you apparently lack an understanding of the concept of "religious fanatacism."

CaptHawkeye

I hope to god you are being sarcastic. Nevermind that you completely ignored my rebuttal to all of your claims on page 2. Nevermind how laced with bared faced lies your entire argument is. Are you done wasting everone's time? Or are you finally going to admit you got owned?

Because I don't think I could kick your ass any better then I already have. You're entertainment for me at this point.

Ad Hominem is not a problem when arguments are made with it, which I have done, over and over again. And which you have ignored, over and over again.

Yes it is relevant. Becase not only did oyu bring it up, but your sheer lack of knowledge (you're never going to live that B-52 thing down) means your credibility has more holes than one of those four sided cheese graters.

This is beginning to sound like a chorus... you still haven't explained to me how the BBC reported a building collapse before it actually did.d-rtyboy

-Why destroy WTC at all? Not a rebuttle at all

-How could two buildings collapse due to two planes crashing into it? When they were designed to withstand such an impact. Do you not have faith in our engineers, scientists, etc? Do you think Americans are incompetent? Why is the Empire State Building still standing? It was hit by a B52 bomber! Surely it had an actual bomb or two on board.. while the planes that hit WTC did not. The WTC towers were the first structures outside of the military and the nuclear industries whose design considered the impact of a jet airliner, the Boeing 707. It was assumed in the 1960s design analysis for the WTC towers that an aircraft, lost in fog and seeking to land at a nearby airport, like the B-25 Mitchell bomber that struck the Empire State Building on July 28, 1945, might strike a WTC tower while low on fuel and at landing speeds. http://911research.wtc7.net/mirrors/guardian/WTC/WTC_ch1.htm

It's really quite simple. Because people like you don't take them seriously No one but your fellow CT's take you seriously becuase you never use fact.

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Exactly what i just said. :| Three towers collapsed. They're reporting this right after the collapse of the second - they got the name of it wrong. Simple as that..BobElSnob

So this shadowy organization is smart enough to set up thousands of charges in some of the worlds largest buildings, and go unnoticed by both the roughly 50000 people who worked there AND the bomb sniffing dogs who came in every week, AND keep everyone working on it quiet, but they spill the beans with one misplaced press release?

[QUOTE="d-rtyboy"]This is beginning to sound like a chorus... you still haven't explained to me how the BBC reported a building collapse before it actually did.xaos

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="d-rtyboy"]This is beginning to sound like a chorus... you still haven't explained to me how the BBC reported a building collapse before it actually did.d-rtyboy

:lol:

Ever heard the story how the hijackers took flight lessons, but never learned to land? Or how Mohammed Atta had a PHD? All you need is 19 people as crazy as they are stupid, and it's not too hard to find them from a pool of over a billion people.