Beck Rally: This Was His Audience

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

That doesn't work, Democrats of that time peroid are not the same thing as democrats today. :|

emorainbo

Well you have to admit he's definitely got you on a technicality there. :P

Another fun fact: The NRA is one of the oldest civil rights groups. Whaaaaaaa!? :o

It baffles me that a bunch of rich upper middle class white people think they're being oppressed just because there's a brown person in office.

FleeceJohnson

[QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

It baffles me that a bunch of rich upper middle class white people think they're being oppressed just because there's a brown person in office.

hillelslovak

[QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

It baffles me that a bunch of rich upper middle class white people think they're being oppressed just because there's a brown person in office.

hillelslovak

Hey wait a minute, why are we dividing the middle class into three parts? I thought liberals were suppose to attack the ultra wealthy while defending the middle class?.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

"southern strategy"

Former_Slacker

"The neutrality of this article is disputed." I'm not surprised.

What does that have to do with this?

Considering that you're passing off Wikipedia as a source in the first place............:?

[QUOTE="hillelslovak"][QUOTE="FleeceJohnson"]

It baffles me that a bunch of rich upper middle class white people think they're being oppressed just because there's a brown person in office.

Mousetaches

Judging by their attire (admittedly it might not be the best metric) I don't think that they were upper class.

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

"The neutrality of this article is disputed." I'm not surprised.

QuistisTrepe_

What does that have to do with this?

Considering that you're passing off Wikipedia as a source in the first place............:?

Wikipedia is hardly something to shirk of as claiming its "just wiki", many of the articles are properly cited and can be looked up for its accuracy.

the highways from the south to d.c must have had a ton of traffic during this.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="Former_Slacker"]

What does that have to do with this?

sSubZerOo

Considering that you're passing off Wikipedia as a source in the first place............:?

Wikipedia is hardly something to shirk of as claiming its "just wiki", many of the articles are properly cited and can be looked up for its accuracy.

Any content that is community generated cannot be taken seriously enough to be considered as a source. There is no rationalizing this, so please don't try.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Considering that you're passing off Wikipedia as a source in the first place............:?

QuistisTrepe_

Wikipedia is hardly something to shirk of as claiming its "just wiki", many of the articles are properly cited and can be looked up for its accuracy.

Any content that is community generated cannot be taken seriously enough to be considered as a source. There is no rationalizing this, so please don't try.

As I said yet agian it depends on the article, most artilces are cited to which you can look up the accuracy of it your self.. Now this isn't tos gugest you would cite it as a term paper, but for arguments purposes on a forum I see no reason not to use it if its cited by sources that we can do a check on..

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Considering that you're passing off Wikipedia as a source in the first place............:?

QuistisTrepe_

Wikipedia is hardly something to shirk of as claiming its "just wiki", many of the articles are properly cited and can be looked up for its accuracy.

Any content that is community generated cannot be taken seriously enough to be considered as a source. There is no rationalizing this, so please don't try.

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it. Dumb clowns.

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

Wikipedia is hardly something to shirk of as claiming its "just wiki", many of the articles are properly cited and can be looked up for its accuracy.

Robbler

Any content that is community generated cannot be taken seriously enough to be considered as a source. There is no rationalizing this, so please don't try.

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"]

Any content that is community generated cannot be taken seriously enough to be considered as a source. There is no rationalizing this, so please don't try.

Mafiree

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it.

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it.

Robbler

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

"yes I'm dressed as Benjamin Franklin and I'm talking on a cell phone, and there are people recording me. It's embarrassing." :lol:

[QUOTE="wstfld"]I still don't understand the point of that rally. Can someone please explain to me what the message was specifically? Or was it all about vague, feel good vibes for white conservatives?coolbeans90

Pretty much nails it on the head.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]I still don't understand the point of that rally. Can someone please explain to me what the message was specifically? Or was it all about vague, feel good vibes for white conservatives?wstfld

Pretty much nails it on the head.

There are a lot of bitter people out there.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it.

Robbler

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

Sarcasm?

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] The situation that allows information to be sold (copyrights/patents) is not a function of capitalism. It is government intervention........Mafiree

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

"How Obama got elected" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 And this guy did a whole lot of work if, "Not a single person cited a valid source from where their information was coming from" or he edited a video together with uniformed people in a similar fashion to the video I posted.Mafiree

The issue here is that LWM had no pretense of being fair, where as this video immediately starts off with, "We spoke to the most informed Obama voters we could find" which you know is a flat out lie, unless that polling place was set in the middle of nowhere, as he portrays them as knowing nothing about politics.

Not to mention they asked about some Democratic senators (albeit important ones) and then quizzing them about Palin, one of the vice-presidential candidates. Which one is going to be covered more and easily recalled?

Furthermore they intentionally phrase the questions to suggest an answer, such as "Which candidate said that they can see Russia from their house?" which suggests that the answer is ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.

Asking about Bill Ayers assumes he is actually influential, which he wasn't.

And finally, Obama won because Obama was the better of the two choices. There is this saying, "choose the lesser of the two evils." In this case, the evils were Obama and McCain. People saw a lot less to like in McCain and Palin than they did in Obama and Biden, and that caused them to vote for him. The Republicans sealed their fate this election by voting for a weak candidate who would choose a VP only for political maneuvering.

Why the hell is Glenn Beck trying to set us back 20 years? "TURN TO GOD, TURN TO GOD, GO BACK TO OUR OLD WAYS!"dreDREb13

I'm not commenting on anything about Glenn Beck, but as for your question.... You say that like it would be a bad thing which I hope means you're simply not old enough to realize that 20 to 30 years ago the United States still had some sense of morals and integrity (this is from my own thoughts and not a talk show host i'm regurgitating). So as I see it that's not a bad thing at all that someone might be trying to "set us back 20 years". Personally I thought people were the nicest in the late 70's to mid 80's (from my lifetime experience).

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]I still don't understand the point of that rally. Can someone please explain to me what the message was specifically? Or was it all about vague, feel good vibes for white conservatives?wstfld

Pretty much nails it on the head.

Bringing Jesus back to America. According to Beck, it would be a historical event! And, it's non-political! Seems like I'd run with a similar line if I were doing what Beck was... Why it works though, I'll never know.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="wstfld"]I still don't understand the point of that rally. Can someone please explain to me what the message was specifically? Or was it all about vague, feel good vibes for white conservatives?wstfld

Pretty much nails it on the head.

Linux distro's are community-generated, because the best minds in the World are behind them, hence why Linux is more secure, stable, and functional than any Winblows option (minus the corporate support- Damn Capitalism!). Same with Wikipedia. The best minds in the World are moderating the content on Wikipedia, and constantly trying to ensure it is accurate, but more importantly, unbiased, which is what Capitalism is fighting against, as the very nature of Capitalism is about compartmentalizing information and selling it at a premium to those who can afford and want to pay for it. Dumb clowns.

Robbler

This has to be the furthest departure from coherent logic that I have ever encountered on the internet, ever. A collaborative team of software enthusiasts developing an operating system is the same as random individuals posting content to a community encyclopedia? Doubtful. really doubtful.

"The best minds in the world." Really? Seriously? By what standard? What rubric was used to determine that?

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

Robbler

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

The "owning" of an idea realistically cannot be in any practical way enforced without government.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

[QUOTE="Mousetaches"] Yeah, it's not like tons of Republicans in Texas, South Carolina, and other southern states threatened succession again when Obama was elected. It is completely one sided.QuistisTrepe_

Interestingly enough I don't really remember a case of a democrat politician threatening secession if they didn't get their way.

Not in your lifetime anyway.;)

Anything more modern? Like within the last 100 years?

Because all that tells me is that republicans are trying to repeat the mistakes of people from 160+ years ago.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

Robbler

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Pretty much nails it on the head.

Mousetaches

Or have an army of "real American" imaginary friends.

[QUOTE="Mafiree"][QUOTE="Robbler"]

Who the hell are you kidding?! What a joke.

Robbler

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

Owning an idea and essentially a monopoly on it as it tends to work in the US, is not true capitalism. True capitalism would make you fight to keep yourself on top even if it's your own idea. If someone else came along that could do your exact idea but do it better than you, the government should and would not interfere in a true capitalist system.

However a true capitalist system would also be a living hell. Just as any "true" system would be.

Anything more modern? Like within the last 100 years?

Pixel-Pirate

I can't believe you're really taking this that seriously.:|

[QUOTE="Mafiree"]"How Obama got elected" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8 And this guy did a whole lot of work if, "Not a single person cited a valid source from where their information was coming from" or he edited a video together with uniformed people in a similar fashion to the video I posted.Mousetaches

The issue here is that LWM had no pretense of being fair, where as this video immediately starts off with, "We spoke to the most informed Obama voters we could find" which you know is a flat out lie, unless that polling place was set in the middle of nowhere, as he portrays them as knowing nothing about politics.

Not to mention they asked about some Democratic senators (albeit important ones) and then quizzing them about Palin, one of the vice-presidential candidates. Which one is going to be covered more and easily recalled?

Furthermore they intentionally phrase the questions to suggest an answer, such as "Which candidate said that they can see Russia from their house?" which suggests that the answer is ONE OF THE CANDIDATES.

Asking about Bill Ayers assumes he is actually influential, which he wasn't.

And finally, Obama won because Obama was the better of the two choices. There is this saying, "choose the lesser of the two evils." In this case, the evils were Obama and McCain. People saw a lot less to like in McCain and Palin than they did in Obama and Biden, and that caused them to vote for him. The Republicans sealed their fate this election by voting for a weak candidate who would choose a VP only for political maneuvering.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="Mafiree"] Explain how it is not please. If I cannot own my ideas then it is difficult to sell them. Look at books that are out of copyright, they are a dollar for the e-book........coolbeans90

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

The "owning" of an idea realistically cannot be in any practical way be enforced without government.

Precisely, which is why Libertarians can kiss my cheeks. I am not anti-capitalist, I am just anti-clowns that think big government and welfare does not have a place in their lives.

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Anything more modern? Like within the last 100 years?

QuistisTrepe_

I can't believe you're really taking this that seriously.:|

I'm always serious. As can be told by my serious face.

[spoiler] [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

"Owning" an "idea" is a function of Capitalism, and if you paid a penny for anything out of copyright, you are a fool.

Robbler

The "owning" of an idea realistically cannot be in any practical way be enforced without government.

Precisely, which is why Libertarians can kiss my cheeks. I am not anti-capitalist, I am just anti-clowns that think big government and welfare does not have a place in their lives.

Generalizations suck. Many libertarians are opposed to intellectual property laws as well as support them. Nor are they all pure (anarcho) capitalist. Welfare plays into this how?

[QUOTE="Ultimas_Blade"][QUOTE="NoobisMaxcimus"]

I don't think I saw a single black person there.

coolbeans90

Eh, possible. But I doubt it. Seems a bit presumptuous.

Was being cheeky, and of course it was presumptuous. :P I'm sadly immediately related to somebody who's one of Beck's sheeple, so much so that it doesn't make sense for him NOT to be paid for all the propoganda he spews....

EDIT:O/T - Anyone got a fix for the missing spaces???

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

The "owning" of an idea realistically cannot be in any practical way be enforced without government.

coolbeans90

Precisely, which is why Libertarians can kiss my cheeks. I am not anti-capitalist, I am just anti-clowns that think big government and welfare does not have a place in their lives.

Generalizations suck. Many libertarians are opposed to intellectual property laws as well as support them. Nor are they all pure (anarcho) capitalist. Welfare plays into this how?

I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially FO.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

Precisely, which is why Libertarians can kiss my cheeks. I am not anti-capitalist, I am just anti-clowns that think big government and welfare does not have a place in their lives.

Robbler

Generalizations suck. Many libertarians are opposed to intellectual property laws as well as support them. Nor are they all pure (anarcho) capitalist. Welfare plays into this how?

I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially f*** o**.

Ah, OK. Still doesn't really relate to the point of discussion, but OK. I'm on the far end of the pro free market side. Not as interested in government involvement in social welfare for the sake thereof. But, to each his own...

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Generalizations suck. Many libertarians are opposed to intellectual property laws as well as support them. Nor are they all pure (anarcho) capitalist. Welfare plays into this how?

coolbeans90

I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially f*** o**.

Ah, OK. Still doesn't really relate to the point of discussion, but OK. I'm on the far end of the pro free market side. Not as interested in government involvement in social welfare for the sake thereof. But, to each his own...

What are you interested in, then? Tell me. I assume you are interested in screwing your fellow Man...

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially f*** o**.

Robbler

Ah, OK. Still doesn't really relate to the point of discussion, but OK. I'm on the far end of the pro free market side. Not as interested in government involvement in social welfare for the sake thereof. But, to each his own...

What are you interested in, then? Tell me.

A pragmatically effective balance in between individual liberty the general interests of humanity as a whole. As such I lean a bit in the free market direction, but not entirely. There are some areas where I'll agree with some measures of governmental economic interventionism, but it usually isn't the case.

Coolbeans is one of the more reasonable people I've talked to who are on the opposite side of the fence as me.

Coolbeans is one of the more reasonable people I've talked to who are on the opposite side of the fence as me.

Pixel-Pirate

You're not so bad yourself, being a godless socialist aside. :P

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Ah, OK. Still doesn't really relate to the point of discussion, but OK. I'm on the far end of the pro free market side. Not as interested in government involvement in social welfare for the sake thereof. But, to each his own...

coolbeans90

What are you interested in, then? Tell me.

A pragmatically effective balance in between individual liberty he general interests of humanity as a whole. As such I lean a bit in the free market direction, but not entirely. There are some areas where I'll agree with some measures of governmental economic interventionism, but it usually isn't the case.

That statement does not butter me up much. For some reason I still feel you are a selfish *umm can you not be "pragmatically" effective in a Humanitarian capacity while still making a comfortable living?

I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially f*** o**.Robbler

I'm extremely interested in maximizing social welfare too! I'm not quite sure about Marxism being the means to that end though. For instance, it isn't Marxism that has increased social welfare in China.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]I'm a Post-Marxist. Generalizations aside, social welfare is what I am interested in, and anyone who feels they are better than pulling their social weight, can proverbially f*** o**.HerrJosefK

POST-Marxism, as in bringing things together in a modern socio-political climate. Most post-Marxist discourse is of an academic nature, and not subject to layman debate.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

What are you interested in, then? Tell me.

Robbler

A pragmatically effective balance in between individual liberty he general interests of humanity as a whole. As such I lean a bit in the free market direction, but not entirely. There are some areas where I'll agree with some measures of governmental economic interventionism, but it usually isn't the case.

That statement does not butter me up much. For some reason I still feel you are a selfish *umm can you not be "pragmatically" effective in a Humanitarian capacity while still making a comfortable living?

Selfish? No, I'm not a greedy person. I personally empathize with the needs of others, and help people in need where and when I can. I think it's to some degree predominantly part of human nature to do so. I'm not from from a "well off" financial background either. It's not like I have some inheritance to lose. I have to pay my way through university. That's why I am at community college.

I'm not exactly sure that I understand your question at the end.

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

A pragmatically effective balance in between individual liberty he general interests of humanity as a whole. As such I lean a bit in the free market direction, but not entirely. There are some areas where I'll agree with some measures of governmental economic interventionism, but it usually isn't the case.

coolbeans90

That statement does not butter me up much. For some reason I still feel you are a selfish *umm can you not be "pragmatically" effective in a Humanitarian capacity while still making a comfortable living?

Selfish? No, I'm not a greedy person. I personally empathize with the needs of others, and help people in need where and when I can. I think it's to some degree predominantly part of human nature to do so. I'm not from from a "well off" financial background either. It's not like I have some inheritance to lose. I'm have to my way through university. That's why I am at community college.

I'm not exactly sure that I understand your question at the end.

A Community College? I'm sorry. We confused each other. I assumed you were some p*. I wish you all the best.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Robbler"]

That statement does not butter me up much. For some reason I still feel you are a selfish *umm can you not be "pragmatically" effective in a Humanitarian capacity while still making a comfortable living?

Robbler

Selfish? No, I'm not a greedy person. I personally empathize with the needs of others, and help people in need where and when I can. I think it's to some degree predominantly part of human nature to do so. I'm not from from a "well off" financial background either. It's not like I have some inheritance to lose. I'm have to pay my way through university. That's why I am at community college.

I'm not exactly sure that I understand your question at the end.

A Community College? I'm sorry. We confused each other. I assumed you were some p*. I wish you all the best.

Same to you.

"America is the last bastion of hope"

"Uhh Canada maybe?"

"No."

Rofl...