*stones Theokhoth*Lifehouse and Three Days Grace.
I shall now run from the music critics here who probably now wish to have me stoned for blasphemy.
Theokhoth
*stones self for fun*
This topic is locked from further discussion.
*stones Theokhoth*Lifehouse and Three Days Grace.
I shall now run from the music critics here who probably now wish to have me stoned for blasphemy.
Theokhoth
Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
marinko123
I have, and afterwards I feel the need to punish myself for doing so. Then I go and listen to actual good music.
[QUOTE="marinko123"]Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
ragek1ll589
I have, and afterwards I feel the need to punish myself for doing so. Then I go and listen to actual good music.
Wait you did that in like 6 minutes .What songs did you listen to .I must say i think songs from minutes to midnight are mostly crap but songs from hybrid theory and meteora are all great.
Okay, I'm an LP hater, so I guess I'll go listen to their best song, which Google tells me is "In The End". *listens* It was okay. Not what I'd call 'good', but it was listenable. You'd probably get a similar effect from listening to Incubus and Eminem at the same time.Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
marinko123
linkin park, lifehouse, goo goo dolls... who do you think the best alternative rock band is and why? whats your faviroute alternative rock song? have your sayfissurestrikerLol, Linkin Park.
This thread is making me so sad, i serioulsy wish mods would just lock it....
Best Alternative rock bands are (BY FAR) The Smiths, R.E.M, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins, Placebo, Pixes, Sonic Youth and i might be forgetting one or two bands.
i agree. they really are great. people are just hating on them because their favorite band can't compare.Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
marinko123
[QUOTE="marinko123"]Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
ragek1ll589
I have, and afterwards I feel the need to punish myself for doing so. Then I go and listen to actual good music.
Same. I used to love Linkin Park years ago, but every time I pop in Meteora I immediately have to shut it off.
I also realized that WMA labels Godspeed You! Black Emperor as alternative. Ill go with that or Swans.
[QUOTE="marinko123"]i agree. they really are great. people are just hating on them because their favorite band can't compare. Linken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
Boostinsane
[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="marinko123"]i agree. they really are great. people are just hating on them because their favorite band can't compare. Linken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
mexicangordo
Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Boostinsane"] i agree. they really are great. people are just hating on them because their favorite band can't compare.UnrighteousFuryLinken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*
Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:This thread is making me so sad, i serioulsy wish mods would just lock it....
Best Alternative rock bands are (BY FAR) The Smiths, R.E.M, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins, Placebo, Pixes, Sonic Youth and i might be forgetting one or two bands.
mexicangordo
You did for get 2 bands. The Cure and Radiohead.
Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:mexicangordo
Seeing as you are an authority of sorts (literally, I remember you mentioning some job in music), what genre are Radiohead and Coldplay? Because to me, they are pretty much Alternative and I cant see them fitting into anything else except like soft rock or something like that.
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]This thread is making me so sad, i serioulsy wish mods would just lock it....
Best Alternative rock bands are (BY FAR) The Smiths, R.E.M, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins, Placebo, Pixes, Sonic Youth and i might be forgetting one or two bands.
Guppy507
You did for get 2 bands. The Cure and Radiohead.
I said Pixies, as well. People here just don't know. They don't know. Placebo, and Sonic Youth are also great.
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]This thread is making me so sad, i serioulsy wish mods would just lock it....
Best Alternative rock bands are (BY FAR) The Smiths, R.E.M, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins, Placebo, Pixes, Sonic Youth and i might be forgetting one or two bands.
Guppy507
You did for get 2 bands. The Cure and Radiohead.
To bad one of one of them is not alternative and even though i personaly don't consider most of The Cures work "alternative," yes i did forget them, along with My Bloody Valintine.[QUOTE="UnrighteousFury"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"] Linken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*mexicangordo
Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:So what are Radiohead and Joy Division if not alternative?
[QUOTE="UnrighteousFury"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"] Linken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*mexicangordo
Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:With Radiohead alternative is easily the least ridiculous genre to place them in. Any other genre you could put them in really only touches on single aspects of their music, whereas alternative does a pretty good job of encompassing everything they do.
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:freek666
Seeing as you are an authority of sorts (literally, I remember you mentioning some job in music), what genre are Radiohead and Coldplay? Because to me, they are pretty much Alternative and I cant see them fitting into anything else except like soft rock or something like that.
Im not in authority at all. Yea i do have a job in music but Radiohead had literaly a different sound with each album (like Tool, they changed with time) and to classify them as one genre like Alternative rock is just silly. Can people really say Amnesiac or The bends or Hail to the theif or...ect are alternative rock? Coldplay could be classified as alternative rock because they are less of what the past and much more modern, Parachutes and RoBttH are both really good examples of modern alternative rock.[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="UnrighteousFury"]Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
UnrighteousFury
With Radiohead alternative is easily the least ridiculous genre to place them in. Any other genre you could put them in really only touches on single aspects of their music, whereas alternative does a pretty good job of encompassing everything they do.
No i disagree but i see what your saying though and in that sense, its up to opinion, yea they do have some alternative rock sound and such but i would not classify them as that genre.Im not in authority at all. Yea i do have a job in music but Radiohead had literaly a different sound with each album (like Tool, they changed with time) and to classify them as one genre like Alternative rock is just silly. Can people really say Amnesiac or The bends or Hail to the theif or...ect are alternative rock? Coldplay could be classified as alternative rock because they are less of what the past and much more modern, Parachutes and RoBttH are both really good examples of modern alternative rock.mexicangordoSo you're saying that they have no core sound, they are basically ever changing chameleons so to speak?
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"]Im not in authority at all. Yea i do have a job in music but Radiohead had literaly a different sound with each album (like Tool, they changed with time) and to classify them as one genre like Alternative rock is just silly. Can people really say Amnesiac or The bends or Hail to the theif or...ect are alternative rock? Coldplay could be classified as alternative rock because they are less of what the past and much more modern, Parachutes and RoBttH are both really good examples of modern alternative rock.freek666So you're saying that they have no core sound, they are basically ever changing chameleons so to speak?:lol: That was an interesting way of putting it, and yea i would say they do not have a core sound. They are atmospheric and pull you into their world but their sound is different from eachother.
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="UnrighteousFury"]Alt rock has always been wide and kinda a broad term but comon, Linken Park. Nine inch Nails? Theres even Radiohead fans saying Radiohead is Alternative rock..... Even Joy Division....Im going crazy :cry:Because alternative rock nowadays has such a wide berth that there are few bands that don't fall under it by some definition.
Guppy507
So what are Radiohead and Joy Division if not alternative?
They are both alternative.;)[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]This thread is making me so sad, i serioulsy wish mods would just lock it....
Best Alternative rock bands are (BY FAR) The Smiths, R.E.M, Pearl Jam, The Smashing Pumpkins, Placebo, Pixes, Sonic Youth and i might be forgetting one or two bands.
mexicangordo
You did for get 2 bands. The Cure and Radiohead.
To bad one of one of them is not alternative and even though i personaly don't consider most of The Cures work "alternative," yes i did forget them, along with My Bloody Valintine.:| Dude The Cure is also alternative.....as is Radiohead and Joy Division. What definition of alternative have youi created?[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="Guppy507"]To bad one of one of them is not alternative and even though i personaly don't consider most of The Cures work "alternative," yes i did forget them, along with My Bloody Valintine.:| Dude The Cure is also alternative.....as is Radiohead and Joy Division. What definition of alternative have youi created?You did for get 2 bands. The Cure and Radiohead.
LJS9502_basic
A lot of people tend to think alternative groups of the late 70's and the 80's like The Cure, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths etc weren't alternative because new wave was around which was a big thing and some of these groups mixed new wave music. However they were alternative because of the mixtures they had, the lyrical themes etc. A lot of people tend to think alternative only existed when 1990 hit which is far from the truth,
[QUOTE="freek666"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]Im not in authority at all. Yea i do have a job in music but Radiohead had literaly a different sound with each album (like Tool, they changed with time) and to classify them as one genre like Alternative rock is just silly. Can people really say Amnesiac or The bends or Hail to the theif or...ect are alternative rock? Coldplay could be classified as alternative rock because they are less of what the past and much more modern, Parachutes and RoBttH are both really good examples of modern alternative rock.mexicangordoSo you're saying that they have no core sound, they are basically ever changing chameleons so to speak?:lol: That was an interesting way of putting it, and yea i would say they do not have a core sound. They are atmospheric and pull you into their world but their sound is different from eachother. But without that core sound, they cease to be the same band time and time again, yes? Instead of always being Radiohead, they become something new with each album (obviously not literally, but in a spiritual sense). Sounds stupid to me, to be honest. It's like Guns 'N Roses, its not really GNR, its Axl and Friends.
[QUOTE="Boostinsane"][QUOTE="marinko123"]i agree. they really are great. people are just hating on them because their favorite band can't compare. Linken Park IS NOT alternative rock, they were Nu-Metal. A bunch of bands people listed are not alternative rock... why can't people see this *head explodes*I dunno wikipedia says nu-metal , alt rock , alt metal and rap rock (!?) . Which one is it i don't know but yes it kinda sounds like nu-metal .Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
mexicangordo
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"][QUOTE="freek666"] So you're saying that they have no core sound, they are basically ever changing chameleons so to speak?freek666:lol: That was an interesting way of putting it, and yea i would say they do not have a core sound. They are atmospheric and pull you into their world but their sound is different from eachother. But without that core sound, they cease to be the same band time and time again, yes? Instead of always being Radiohead, they become something new with each album (obviously not literally, but in a spiritual sense). Sounds stupid to me, to be honest. It's like Guns 'N Roses, its not really GNR, its Axl and Friends. So in a nutshell; you are saying a band isn't allowed to experiment and spice up their sound a bit? They have to be the same band album to album? That is very boring and it leaves the fans bored. If Metallica kept making "Kill em' all" their fanbase would have died before and justice. If Maiden kept making "their self titled theyw ould have never lasted. Experimentation and changing the "core sound" is the only true way for a band to survive.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]To bad one of one of them is not alternative and even though i personaly don't consider most of The Cures work "alternative," yes i did forget them, along with My Bloody Valintine.cousin_eddy:| Dude The Cure is also alternative.....as is Radiohead and Joy Division. What definition of alternative have youi created?
A lot of people tend to think alternative groups of the late 70's and the 80's like The Cure, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths etc weren't alternative because new wave was around which was a big thing and some of these groups mixed new wave music. However they were alternative because of the mixtures they had, the lyrical themes etc. A lot of people tend to think alternative only existed when 1990 hit which is far from the truth,
Alterntative grew as an "alternative" to the rock sound which is now called "classic". The Cure was post punk. They did cross int other subgenres as do most alt bands. Post punk.....was/is alternative. The Cure was also classified as goth in the early days of their career. Also a subgenre of alternative. The Cure is most definitely an alt band. Joy Division was alt. Radiohead is alt. I don't get this revisionist definition of alt I see in this thread.New wave just became a phrase used to describe any band using synthesizers and as such is mostly meaningless.
[QUOTE="cousin_eddy"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]:| Dude The Cure is also alternative.....as is Radiohead and Joy Division. What definition of alternative have youi created?LJS9502_basic
A lot of people tend to think alternative groups of the late 70's and the 80's like The Cure, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths etc weren't alternative because new wave was around which was a big thing and some of these groups mixed new wave music. However they were alternative because of the mixtures they had, the lyrical themes etc. A lot of people tend to think alternative only existed when 1990 hit which is far from the truth,
Alterntative grew as an "alternative" to the rock sound which is now called "classic". The Cure was post punk. They did cross int other subgenres as do most alt bands. Post punk.....was/is alternative. The Cure was also classified as goth in the early days of their career. Also a subgenre of alternative. The Cure is most definitely an alt band. Joy Division was alt. Radiohead is alt. I don't get this revisionist definition of alt I see in this thread.New wave just became a phrase used to describe any band using synthesizers and as such is mostly meaningless.
And I agree new wave is a useless term. All I'm saying is those who refuse to see The Cure was/still is an alternative act it is because they had reverbed guitars and keyboards at a point in their career which confused thsoe whow ere not familiar with The Cure to think they were jsut a new wave group or a brit rock group like the stone roses. Of course thinking such thing sis blasphemy for anyone who knows anything about alternative music knows the cure were one of the leaders of it.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="cousin_eddy"]Alterntative grew as an "alternative" to the rock sound which is now called "classic". The Cure was post punk. They did cross int other subgenres as do most alt bands. Post punk.....was/is alternative. The Cure was also classified as goth in the early days of their career. Also a subgenre of alternative. The Cure is most definitely an alt band. Joy Division was alt. Radiohead is alt. I don't get this revisionist definition of alt I see in this thread.A lot of people tend to think alternative groups of the late 70's and the 80's like The Cure, Joy Division, New Order, The Smiths etc weren't alternative because new wave was around which was a big thing and some of these groups mixed new wave music. However they were alternative because of the mixtures they had, the lyrical themes etc. A lot of people tend to think alternative only existed when 1990 hit which is far from the truth,
cousin_eddy
New wave just became a phrase used to describe any band using synthesizers and as such is mostly meaningless.
And I agree new wave is a useless term. All I'm saying is those who refuse to see The Cure was/still is an alternative act it is because they had reverbed guitars and keyboards at a point in their career which confused thsoe whow ere not familiar with The Cure to think they were jsut a new wave group or a brit rock group like the stone roses. Of course thinking such thing sis blasphemy for anyone who knows anything about alternative music knows the cure were one of the leaders of it.New wave is also a subgenre of alt. The Cure is most definitely an alt band. :| Alternative...
Edit: Britpop is also a subgenre of alt.
[QUOTE="freek666"][QUOTE="mexicangordo"]:lol: That was an interesting way of putting it, and yea i would say they do not have a core sound. They are atmospheric and pull you into their world but their sound is different from eachother.cousin_eddyBut without that core sound, they cease to be the same band time and time again, yes? Instead of always being Radiohead, they become something new with each album (obviously not literally, but in a spiritual sense). Sounds stupid to me, to be honest. It's like Guns 'N Roses, its not really GNR, its Axl and Friends. So in a nutshell; you are saying a band isn't allowed to experiment and spice up their sound a bit? They have to be the same band album to album? That is very boring and it leaves the fans bored. If Metallica kept making "Kill em' all" their fanbase would have died before and justice. If Maiden kept making "their self titled theyw ould have never lasted. Experimentation and changing the "core sound" is the only true way for a band to survive. Oh of course not, every band should experiment with different ideas, for better or for worse. But in the end, its the same old band and its recognisable by its traits. To say a band is completely different every single time is ridiculous. What, does he sing different? Are the guitars tuned slightly differently? There is always going to be a core sound that makes the band identifiable. There is always going to be something that they do which will be familiar to those who are, well familiar with them. Because otherwise they cease to be Radiohead, or any other band like that. It is blind idiodicy to say that a band, any band, has no core sound and are completely and irrefutably different every time around.
Like you said about Metallica, they changed their sound, but they still had the same Metallica traits. Its almost as if mexicangordo is saying that such traits dont exist in Radiohead.
[QUOTE="marinko123"]Okay, I'm an LP hater, so I guess I'll go listen to their best song, which Google tells me is "In The End". *listens* It was okay. Not what I'd call 'good', but it was listenable. You'd probably get a similar effect from listening to Incubus and Eminem at the same time.In the end isn't their best I think these are:Not much to argue about - Linkin Park !
Really all of you LP haters listen to some of their best songs and you'll see that they're great .
Cherokee_Jack
With You
Forgotten
Pushing Me Away
One Step Closer
So in a nutshell; you are saying a band isn't allowed to experiment and spice up their sound a bit? They have to be the same band album to album? That is very boring and it leaves the fans bored. If Metallica kept making "Kill em' all" their fanbase would have died before and justice. If Maiden kept making "their self titled theyw ould have never lasted. Experimentation and changing the "core sound" is the only true way for a band to survive. Oh of course not, every band should experiment with different ideas, for better or for worse. But in the end, its the same old band and its recognisable by its traits. To say a band is completely different every single time is ridiculous. What, does he sing different? Are the guitars tuned slightly differently? There is always going to be a core sound that makes the band identifiable. There is always going to be something that they do which will be familiar to those who are, well familiar with them. Because otherwise they cease to be Radiohead, or any other band like that. It is blind idiodicy to say that a band, any band, has no core sound and are completely and irrefutably different every time around.[QUOTE="cousin_eddy"][QUOTE="freek666"] But without that core sound, they cease to be the same band time and time again, yes? Instead of always being Radiohead, they become something new with each album (obviously not literally, but in a spiritual sense). Sounds stupid to me, to be honest. It's like Guns 'N Roses, its not really GNR, its Axl and Friends.freek666
Like you said about Metallica, they changed their sound, but they still had the same Metallica traits. Its almost as if mexicangordo is saying that such traits dont exist in Radiohead.
One could say that Radioheads experimentation is their trait though. When you take albums like The Bends, Kid A, OK Comptuer etc what you have are three differant albums. OKC mixed acoustic guitars with spacey keyboards, whereas the bends was an alternative rock album and Kid A wwas avant-garde. But you know it is radiohead because even if the albums sound compeltely differant, Radioheads key song-writing is still int act and thom yorkes vocals and writing is still in tact. The albums sound differant but even if someone who only knew one radiohead song listened to in rainbows, they'd know it was radiohead. Look at a group like Mr. Bungle who experimented left and right. All of their albums were differant from one another but fans knew it was them. Granted Radiohead do not stick to a definate sound but it is good to have differant eras. Bowie never stuck to one key sound either, nor did Beck but fans always knew it was them and the same applies for Radiohead.One could say that Radioheads experimentation is their trait though. When you take albums like The Bends, Kid A, OK Comptuer etc what you have are three differant albums. OKC mixed acoustic guitars with spacey keyboards, whereas the bends was an alternative rock album and Kid A wwas avant-garde. But you know it is radiohead because even if the albums sound compeltely differant, Radioheads key song-writing is still int act and thom yorkes vocals and writing is still in tact. The albums sound differant but even if someone who only knew one radiohead song listened to in rainbows, they'd know it was radiohead. Look at a group like Mr. Bungle who experimented left and right. All of their albums were differant from one another but fans knew it was them. Granted Radiohead do not stick to a definate sound but it is good to have differant eras. Bowie never stuck to one key sound either, nor did Beck but fans always knew it was them and the same applies for Radiohead.cousin_eddyFirstly, I would hardly call anything Radiohead have done avante-garde. Its all in the eye of the beholder, but still.
I should've worded the core sound thing better. I didnt mean the sound in a literal sense, but how you mentioned the song writing and all that, its still the same. Its same old Radiohead song writing whatever. And some would say that the song writing is similar to that of alternative. I will say that they are experimental, no doubt about it, but they are still, at heart, an alternative band. I just cant fathom the possibility that they are anything more than that. It's like with Metallica, they commercialised their music, but its still Heavy Metal, no? They might do an album slightly more progressive, like Justice, but that doesnt make them a prog metal band now does it? Of course not, and the same applies to Radiohead.
Firstly, I would hardly call anything Radiohead have done avante-garde. Its all in the eye of the beholder, but still.[QUOTE="cousin_eddy"] One could say that Radioheads experimentation is their trait though. When you take albums like The Bends, Kid A, OK Comptuer etc what you have are three differant albums. OKC mixed acoustic guitars with spacey keyboards, whereas the bends was an alternative rock album and Kid A wwas avant-garde. But you know it is radiohead because even if the albums sound compeltely differant, Radioheads key song-writing is still int act and thom yorkes vocals and writing is still in tact. The albums sound differant but even if someone who only knew one radiohead song listened to in rainbows, they'd know it was radiohead. Look at a group like Mr. Bungle who experimented left and right. All of their albums were differant from one another but fans knew it was them. Granted Radiohead do not stick to a definate sound but it is good to have differant eras. Bowie never stuck to one key sound either, nor did Beck but fans always knew it was them and the same applies for Radiohead.freek666
I should've worded the core sound thing better. I didnt mean the sound in a literal sense, but how you mentioned the song writing and all that, its still the same. Its same old Radiohead song writing whatever. And some would say that the song writing is similar to that of alternative. I will say that they are experimental, no doubt about it, but they are still, at heart, an alternative band. I just cant fathom the possibility that they are anything more than that. It's like with Metallica, they commercialised their music, but its still Heavy Metal, no? They might do an album slightly more progressive, like Justice, but that doesnt make them a prog metal band now does it? Of course not, and the same applies to Radiohead.
Kid A when you break it down is VERY avant-garde. It is through my views an electronic album that does things not really seen in normal music, let alone normal electronic music. Avant-garde in essence is doing something musically not normally done like Sleepytime gorilla museum making their own instruments, Frank Zappa bringing classical music to rock, etc. Radiohead aren't avant-garde to the sense they have weird timing and exotic chords but the way they experimented atleast on that album to me says they dipped into that world. Alternative music as a whole is taking past experiences and love for certaint ypes of music and incorporating it into rock. The Stone roses played alternative music but mixed dance and 60's guitar pop intot he mix, Blur experiemnted to. Radiohead are definately an alternative band because they experiment to no end but keep their key songwriting in tact. Radiohead would never be an electronic group or a pop group because of their past. Pablo honey was a pop album regardless to what people say but from the Bends and on, Radiohead knew that they were an alternative band and since then have stuck to that and their fanbase love them for that. I agree metallica will alwyas be a flat out heavy metal band no matter what they do. Just like Opeth, Helloween, Celtic frost and any other band who morphed their sound in a great way.Kid A when you break it down is VERY avant-garde. It is through my views an electronic album that does things not really seen in normal music, let alone normal electronic music. Avant-garde in essence is doing something musically not normally done like Sleepytime gorilla museum making their own instruments, Frank Zappa bringing classical music to rock, etc. Radiohead aren't avant-garde to the sense they have weird timing and exotic chords but the way they experimented atleast on that album to me says they dipped into that world. Alternative music as a whole is taking past experiences and love for certaint ypes of music and incorporating it into rock. The Stone roses played alternative music but mixed dance and 60's guitar pop intot he mix, Blur experiemnted to. Radiohead are definately an alternative band because they experiment to no end but keep their key songwriting in tact. Radiohead would never be an electronic group or a pop group because of their past. Pablo honey was a pop album regardless to what people say but from the Bends and on, Radiohead knew that they were an alternative band and since then have stuck to that and their fanbase love them for that. I agree metallica will alwyas be a flat out heavy metal band no matter what they do. Just like Opeth, Helloween, Celtic frost and any other band who morphed their sound in a great way.cousin_eddyNo doubt Pablo was a pop album. I found it in a relatives collection and I listened to it, then to their stuff now, and was surprised at the transition. My thoughts on Kid A stand though. Like you said, its not necesserily avante garde in the traditional sense, but it delves into it.
Well, I think we managed to eventually agree that Radiohead is in fact an Alternative band. Because it is like I said, I can not comprehend people saying they are a lot more. Yes, they experiment, but it doesnt change them so much (at least I reckon so). I dunno, its half past midnight here and I got back from a big dinner. Ever had scotch fillet wrapped in bacon? God it was beautiful.
No doubt Pablo was a pop album. I found it in a relatives collection and I listened to it, then to their stuff now, and was surprised at the transition. My thoughts on Kid A stand though. Like you said, its not necesserily avante garde in the traditional sense, but it delves into it.[QUOTE="cousin_eddy"] Kid A when you break it down is VERY avant-garde. It is through my views an electronic album that does things not really seen in normal music, let alone normal electronic music. Avant-garde in essence is doing something musically not normally done like Sleepytime gorilla museum making their own instruments, Frank Zappa bringing classical music to rock, etc. Radiohead aren't avant-garde to the sense they have weird timing and exotic chords but the way they experimented atleast on that album to me says they dipped into that world. Alternative music as a whole is taking past experiences and love for certaint ypes of music and incorporating it into rock. The Stone roses played alternative music but mixed dance and 60's guitar pop intot he mix, Blur experiemnted to. Radiohead are definately an alternative band because they experiment to no end but keep their key songwriting in tact. Radiohead would never be an electronic group or a pop group because of their past. Pablo honey was a pop album regardless to what people say but from the Bends and on, Radiohead knew that they were an alternative band and since then have stuck to that and their fanbase love them for that. I agree metallica will alwyas be a flat out heavy metal band no matter what they do. Just like Opeth, Helloween, Celtic frost and any other band who morphed their sound in a great way.freek666
Well, I think we managed to eventually agree that Radiohead is in fact an Alternative band. Because it is like I said, I can not comprehend people saying they are a lot more. Yes, they experiment, but it doesnt change them so much (at least I reckon so). I dunno, its half past midnight here and I got back from a big dinner. Ever had scotch fillet wrapped in bacon? God it was beautiful.
Radiohead have some albums I cannot stand and Pablo honey is one of them. Creep is okay and all but some stuff on that album is just so bad..I then look at the bends and think how can a band that made a brilliant album like this make pablo honey? To this day I'll never know. Yes it seems we both agree on radioheads stance as a band. Fans of theirs do compare them to the Beatles which bothers me...saw a few of them do that on last.fm. Muse fans are the same way, putting the band on a much higher pedastol then they need to be. I respect both bands but I don't think they are the new voice of the generation or anything. They are jsut alternative groups that have huge followings and are respected for their musical experimentation. Can't say I've ever had that..I'm still waiting for beakfast :PPorcupine tree.Film-GuyRock on. I alwyas considered them more Prog Rock though but they had a lot of alternative qualities.
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