Biden says GOP is strong enough to beat Obama in 2012

And it is only the Democrats talking about a balanced approach in raising taxes and cutting spending, but OH NO, raising taxes on millionaires is class warfare, while cutting programs to help the poor, injured, and elderly is smart economics EntropyWins

I don't see what this has to do with me and LJ's conversation. I don't want a balanced approach and class warfare from Democrats.

So what exactly have Republicans been doing to promote job creation?GreySeal9

Recently: Demanded Obama send them the trade agreements that have been sitting on his desk. They've been sitting on his desk as he lambasted Republicans for not doing enough to create jobs when they've been ASKING him for these agreements for months?

Boehner put out a jobs plan in September.

And almost every single one of the Republican candidates for President have a jobs plan out.

We already saw how great the stimulus was at creating jobs, and Obama is asking for a mini-version right now. It seems pretty clear who has the best interests of the country at heart right now. At least concerning economics.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Republican policies have vastly increased spending which will sooner or later effect your paycheck.EntropyWins

So have Democrats. Now I see Republican candidates as the only ones talking about cutting spending.

TL;DR more taxing wont work and cut where ever and whateveras needed to stop the system they broke.

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@ airshocker: Look again at that quote. Did he mention the country anywhere? No? Well I guess that means that all they care about is destroying obama. Not that this is shocking news to anybody since the republicans have shown that they will actually destroy America politically and economically to try and ruin him. Hopefully Americans see past this bs.

airshocker

You going to answer my question at all...?

To more directly answer your question (since inference is not an option here apparently): NO. They can WANT Obama to fail and America to succeed at the same time, but they can't FOCUS on both at the same time. They are obviously focusing on the former at the expense of the latter. EntropyWins

I do prefer simple answers as opposed to inference most of the time. Saves me the trouble of having to cock my head and ask you again.

I disagree with you. I don't think a party is purposefully trying to make the country fail just because they disagree with you. I disagree with Democrats 90% of the time and I don't think they're trying to make the country fail. Turn us into a welfare state like Europe and take away our freedoms, perhaps, but not destroy us.

I dont put much faith in anything Biden says. He's just not that bright.

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Why does it have to be one or the other?

EntropyWins

@surreal: lol @ blaming your business failure on Obama's healthcare. I see a lot of businesses everywhere despite its passage, so maybe you couldn't run a business very well?

my business was never not profitable but when being an owner the question is " are these profits worth my time" and between new IRS fees levied that year and obama care i just said screw it i can make more than i am for someone else and not have to deal with this. so i wound down all but two contracts that end next year. my business never failed unlike your assumption. do you even have the smallest clew of what individual owners of small firms need to put up with? or have you been spending your entire life demonizing them that you cant see the importance of small businesses?

surrealnumber5

I think your last two questions represent 90% of the liberals in OT.

Running a business is hard work. I just bought into my current group and its like a whole new world. Labor, materials, rent, etc. end up costing most of the revenue we make. It is surpisingly expensive to hire even one person with all the hidden costs in it. You also have to go through all types of hoops to get rid of a bad employee - proper documentation, etc. otherwise they can just sue you for unlawful termination despite them not showing up to work half the time because they are hung over.

IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.sonicare

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.sonicare

Well I am not talking about the typical double talk, but serious changes.. Like supporting and upholding Roe V Wade, then suddenly coming out saying that he will try torepeal it when he is elected.. The fact of the matter is he has had to deal with a extreme right wing that quite frankly has hijacked the party.. And I honestly don't know any more, Romney maybe a good politician but in the end he still has to deal with the Republican party.. And based upon Obama which is already extreme centrist to a extreme right wing, I see him only bending even further backwards..

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.xaos

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.sSubZerOo

Well I am not talking about the typical double talk, but serious changes.. Like supporting and upholding Roe V Wade, then suddenly coming out saying that he will try torepeal it when he is elected.. The fact of the matter is he has had to deal with a extreme right wing that quite frankly has hijacked the party.. And I honestly don't know any more, Romney maybe a good politician but in the end he still has to deal with the Republican party.. And based upon Obama which is already extreme centrist to a extreme right wing, I see him only bending even further backwards..

[QUOTE="xaos"]If Huntsman were to get the nom (as will never, ever happen), he might actually get my vote in the general. I must be old; there's a Republican candidate I'd seriously considee.sonicare

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="xaos"]If Huntsman were to get the nom (as will never, ever happen), he might actually get my vote in the general. I must be old; there's a Republican candidate I'd seriously considee.xaos

So have Democrats. Now I see Republican candidates as the only ones talking about cutting spending.airshocker

You know what was a result of the Republicans talking about spending cuts last time they were talking about spending cuts? The Great Depression.scorch-62

:lol: Riiiight.

:lol: Riiiight.airshocker

You do realise that's not a real argument?TDSE

You do realize I don't care, right?

:lol: Riiiight.airshocker

Your lack of a rebuttal speaks for itself.scorch-62

That was a rebuttal. It wasn't an argument, however, since I'm entirely too tired to do that with you at the moment.

That was a rebuttal. It wasn't an argument, however, since I'm entirely too tired to do that with you at the moment.airshocker

[QUOTE="TDSE"]You do realise that's not a real argument?airshocker

You do realize I don't care, right?

lol awesome response

As for the topic, Biden shouldn't be showing a lack of confidence to the people. That will just make their chances even worse

You can quit making excuses and just ignore it until you're fit to reply without being condescending.scorch-62

You remind me of those people that think you're making an excuse when you're actually just giving them a reason. As if this was something I needed an excuse for.

You remind me of those people that think you're making an excuse when you're actually just giving them a reason. As if this was something I needed an excuse for.airshocker

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]IF Romney wins the primary the democrat opposition is going to effectively illustrate that he is a flip flopper.. Romney to compete within his own party has done a complete 180 in numerous wedge issue policies.xaos

Excuses are reasons. Or do I need to get you a dictionary?scorch-62

An excuse implies I need be excused by you. A reason doesn't. Good day, Scorch.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]You remind me of those people that think you're making an excuse when you're actually just giving them a reason. As if this was something I needed an excuse for.scorch-62

[QUOTE="MetallicaKings"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]Assuming Romney or Huntsman wins the nomination, yes. Other than that no. Not even Ron Paul. (who might I add is just fooling many people)Serraph105

I dislike his views on both. I would not trust him as far as national security is concerned.