I am very split on this one, but i have to go with Bruce Lee.
Bruce Lee V.S. Fedor Emelianenko
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Bruce Lee was very very well trained and i believe that he was much smarter he would find a way to win
Edit: im not saying that this would be an easy fight either fedor would be a great challenge
Fedor is very smart too and has been in very tough situations before and always found a way out of them.
All Bruce Lee has to do is poke him in the chets and kill him instantly.
Fedor of course maybe a little of a struggle but a easy win. You guys are forgetting bruce lee was a pacifists and didn't fight. Alot of people called him out to fight to see if he really was skilled but he always refused. So he would bascially get his *** handed to him
easily fedor. they are both skilled fighters, but fedor is so much bigger. look at the couture/lesnar fight. couture is by far a more skilled fighter, but lesnar was bigger and stronger and that got him the win. and that was in the same weight class.
Not to mention, both are wrestlers first and most times when it comes to wrestling, if they both have the same skillset the bigger man will most likely come out on top.easily fedor. they are both skilled fighters, but fedor is so much bigger. look at the couture/lesnar fight. couture is by far a more skilled fighter, but lesnar was bigger and stronger and that got him the win. and that was in the same weight class.
LoG-Sacrament
I just noticed your sig. LOL that is funny.Fedor of course maybe a little of a struggle but a easy win. You guys are forgetting bruce lee was a pacifists and didn't fight. Alot of people called him out to fight to see if he really was skilled but he always refused. So he would bascially get his *** handed to him
FreezeBlast95
[QUOTE="FreezeBlast95"]I just noticed your sig. LOL that is funny.Fedor of course maybe a little of a struggle but a easy win. You guys are forgetting bruce lee was a pacifists and didn't fight. Alot of people called him out to fight to see if he really was skilled but he always refused. So he would bascially get his *** handed to him
jfcundiff
Lol I know I almost cried when I saw it in the thread xD
No, Bruce Lee had discipline and control. He was not a testosterone induced guy with something to prove, that's why he is a pacifist. Most martial arts do not encourage fighting. Fighting should be the last resort, not some showcase. That's why Bruce Lee didn't fight every tough guy that had to prove something. Not every great fighter has to prove it, thats why I pick Bruce Lee, and also have more respect for him. Now thats not to say I don't respect very skilled fighters such as Fedor, but I respect the discipline and control aspects of martial arts moreso than the tough guy showoffs. It just feels like they have more to prove. Besides I'm sure there are many people that could literally kill Fedor if he came at them, but being attacked is the only way these people would ever fight. Discipline and Control are two great parts of Martial Arts that UFC is sucking the life out of with the macho facade BS.Fedor of course maybe a little of a struggle but a easy win. You guys are forgetting bruce lee was a pacifists and didn't fight. Alot of people called him out to fight to see if he really was skilled but he always refused. So he would bascially get his *** handed to him
FreezeBlast95
No, Bruce Lee had discipline and control. He was not a testosterone induced guy with something to prove, that's why he is a pacifist. Most martial arts do not encourage fighting. Fighting should be the last resort, not some showcase. That's why Bruce Lee didn't fight every tough guy that had to prove something. Not every great fighter has to prove it, thats why I pick Bruce Lee, and also have more respect for him. Now thats not to say I don't respect very skilled fighters such as Fedor, but I respect the discipline and control aspects of martial arts moreso than the tough guy showoffs. It just feels like they have more to prove. Besides I'm sure there are many people that could literally kill Fedor if he came at them, but being attacked is the only way these people would ever fight. Discipline and Control are two great parts of Martial Arts that UFC is sucking the life out of with the macho facade BS. warbmxjohnI can't help getting sucked in again. So you're basically saying that Bruce Lee would win via.....fighting less? Or having less fight experience? This is why Fedor vs Bruce Lee arguments NEVER work out. It's just two different styles of thought on fighting. MMA or even boxing fans will say things more concrete or pragmatic, like in ring experience, etc, whereas Lee fans will pull ethereal, philosophical things like "discipline and control" in pacifism out. *shrugs* Also, did you just say Fedor is a tough-guy show-off, or imply that any professional fighter is a "tough-guy showoff?" Lastly, you say many people would "kill" Fedor if he came at them. The problem has been brought up in previous threads; in what context are Fedor and Lee meant to be fighting? If it's a no-holds barred streetfight, of course Lee would probably win, but if it was a fight under unified MMA rules in a standard regulation cage or ring, that's a different story.
Not this again. There's really no point bothering. Most OTers are not watchers of MMA, and so may not even know who Fedor is or what his record or style is. Most will probably just watch a couple documentaries and watch Enter the Dragon and think Bruce Lee was something akin to a god. I've learned from previous threads like this one that there really is no winning this one. Bruce Lee is dead, he never really REALLY competed, and so legend/myth have blended with "fact," making it impossible to argue against. Bruce Lee is a god who cannot be beaten by any man, of any weight class, of an style of combat. No gameplan, no technique, no mortal could beat Bruce Lee. psh. [QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]No, Bruce Lee had discipline and control. He was not a testosterone induced guy with something to prove, that's why he is a pacifist. Most martial arts do not encourage fighting. Fighting should be the last resort, not some showcase. That's why Bruce Lee didn't fight every tough guy that had to prove something. Not every great fighter has to prove it, thats why I pick Bruce Lee, and also have more respect for him. Now thats not to say I don't respect very skilled fighters such as Fedor, but I respect the discipline and control aspects of martial arts moreso than the tough guy showoffs. It just feels like they have more to prove. Besides I'm sure there are many people that could literally kill Fedor if he came at them, but being attacked is the only way these people would ever fight. Discipline and Control are two great parts of Martial Arts that UFC is sucking the life out of with the macho facade BS. Paladin_KingI can't help getting sucked in again. So you're basically saying that Bruce Lee would win via.....fighting less? Or having less fight experience? This is why Fedor vs Bruce Lee arguments NEVER work out. It's just two different styles of thought on fighting. MMA or even boxing fans will say things more concrete or pragmatic, like in ring experience, etc, whereas Lee fans will pull ethereal, philosophical things like "discipline and control" in pacifism out. *shrugs* Also, did you just say Fedor is a tough-guy show-off, or imply that any professional fighter is a "tough-guy showoff?" Lastly, you say many people would "kill" Fedor if he came at them. The problem has been brought up in previous threads; in what context are Fedor and Lee meant to be fighting? If it's a no-holds barred streetfight, of course Lee would probably win, but if it was a fight under unified MMA rules in a standard regulation cage or ring, that's a different story.
First off, you are right this is a nothing more than a hypothetical scenario. We all are just speculating.
Most people in UFC are nothing more than tough guy showoffs. They are definitely skilled fighters by the rules of the cage. I like to watch it, and it is interesting. But I could never actually like any of these people. Macho testosterone induced bullies that are in love with themselves. They rarely show respect for each other, that's what I dislike most, and yes I understand that is part of the hype for marketability.
Experience fighting is not the end all stat when it comes to fighting. Who would win Shamrock or Fedor? Well if fighting experince is the only stat that matters then bye bye Fedor, and we all know that won't happen.
My point is that there are many high level martial artsists that only fight to protect themselves, because they know how dangerous they actually are. These people would literally kill Fedor if they thought they were in danger. These people use martial arts, more as it generally intended, as defense. They do not fight publicly because they have nothing to prove. This is of course outside of the cage, where the fighting is not limited. Just like who would win a boxing match Fedor or Tyson in his prime. The rules and the training and tactics are in the favor of the persons specialty.
I picked who I thought would win, and I stand by that. Just because we see Fedor on TV being hyped as the best pound for pound fighter, does not make it truth. There are people out there who could destroy him. They just don't spend their lives on TV fighting. That's where the discipline and control that is a part of many martial art training come in. Some of the greatest martial artists don't fight unless they have to.
First off, you are right this is a nothing more than a hypothetical scenario. We all are just speculating.Most people in UFC are nothing more than tough guy showoffs. They are definitely skilled fighters by the rules of the cage. I like to watch it, and it is interesting. But I could never actually like any of these people. Macho testosterone induced bullies that are in love with themselves. They rarely show respect for each other, that's what I dislike most, and yes I understand that is part of the hype for marketability.
Experience fighting is not the end all stat when it comes to fighting. Who would win Shamrock or Fedor? Well if fighting experince is the only stat that matters then bye bye Fedor, and we all know that won't happen.
My point is that there are many high level martial artsists that only fight to protect themselves, because they know how dangerous they actually are. These people would literally kill Fedor if they thought they were in danger. These people use martial arts, more as it generally intended, as defense. They do not fight publicly because they have nothing to prove. This is of course outside of the cage, where the fighting is not limited. Just like who would win a boxing match Fedor or Tyson in his prime. The rules and the training and tactics are in the favor of the persons specialty.
I picked who I thought would win, and I stand by that. Just because we see Fedor on TV being hyped as the best pound for pound fighter, does not make it truth. There are people out there who could destroy him. They just don't spend their lives on TV fighting. That's where the discipline and control that is a part of many martial art training come in. Some of the greatest martial artists don't fight unless they have to.
warbmxjohn
1. There are a lot of showoffs in the UFC, and those are the guys I really don't enjoy watching at all (Nate Diaz is a prime example). That said, if I could name one guy for whom this is NOT the case, it's Fedor. Fedor is quite possibly the most humble, and most respectful MMA fighter out there today. He never trash talks. The man does not fight for himself, as again and again in his interviews, he has stated that he fights for Russia and in order to prove Russia's national sport, Sambo. Fedor is anything BUT what you described. That said, I think you're talking about boxing in what you describe. It isn't at all uncommon for UFC or MMA fighters to show a great deal of respect for each other, hugging each other, praising their opponent, in defeat or victory, touching gloves before and after rounds, apologizing for accidental lowblows or eyepokes....MMA is much more respectful than boxing and there are many class-acts in the UFC. Guys like Randy Couture, Kenny Florian, Forrest Griffin, and Keith Jardine all spring to mind. Wanderlei Silva is my favourite fighter of all. He fights with all his heart, leaves everything in the ring, and fights like a wildman, but he is always incredibly respectful, particularly when others respect him, and is always grateful for what he has. Also, let's not forget that Brazilian mentality in general. Many BJJ practitioners today, and particularly when the Gracies first entered MMA, feel that they are fighting to legitimize their country's place in world sport and also to legitimize their distinctly Brazilian art. They fight for their country, their schools, and their discipline above all else.
2. So experience makes NO difference? There are exceptions, but more often than not, it is a factor. Also, come freaking on. I'm starting to question if you really DO watch MMA. If you did, I can't see how you'd make that Shamrock/Fedor comparison, knowing damn well that that comparison is ludicrous. Fedor is in his prime and Shamrock and far, far past it and should have retired years ago. If Shamrock had the experience but was also in better physical condition, it'd be more interesting. For God's sake, Shamrock is 13 years older than Fedor. And it's not like Ken has a million more bouts under his belt either (Ken has 40, Fedor 31)
3. Forgive me, but you're basing your argument on martial artists that we don't even know of, that we've never seen in action. I understand your point, but the argument sounds like a devout Christian telling me to believe in God: I can't see Him directly, but he exists, and he's more awesome than anything you HAVE seen. In the world of combat SPORTS that doesn't exist.
4. That's another thing. You contest Fedor's place as #1 p4p fighter due to these....mysterious entities. But, if they only fight to protect themselves, are they truly FIGHTERS or are they ARTISTS in the "martial artists" sense. The two may hybridize at some points, but they are a bit different.
5. Lastly, it ends up boiling down to not only fighter against fighter, but discipline against discipline. You say that a lot of martial arts were only ever meant to be used in the interests of self-defence, implying that professional fighters are somehow corrupting their chosen disciplines. Unfortunately, many martial arts do NOT find their origins in self-defence. Sambo, Fedor's foremost style, found its origins in being taught for strict combat purposes to the Russian army. It was meant for COMBAT, not strict self-defence. Later, Sport Sambo would be developed, and used for competitive purposes. While it's military purposes may be argued as still being self-defence, depending on your view of Russian military CQC, sport sambo, the development of which was close to parallel, is certainly not rooted in self-defence.
BJJ is a similar case, if viewed as a separate entity from japanese jujutsu, which is very, very different, certainly. The Gracies ultimately developed BJJ for Vale Tudo tournaments. While Helio Gracie's views on jiujitsu frequently echoed the sentiments you express on martial arts, it's still ambivalent at best, as he himself competed in many tournaments and also coached/cornered Royce Gracie at the mercilessly brutal spectacles that were UFC 1 and UFC 2. BJJ IS a tournie combat sport.
[QUOTE="warbmxjohn"]First off, you are right this is a nothing more than a hypothetical scenario. We all are just speculating.
Most people in UFC are nothing more than tough guy showoffs. They are definitely skilled fighters by the rules of the cage. I like to watch it, and it is interesting. But I could never actually like any of these people. Macho testosterone induced bullies that are in love with themselves. They rarely show respect for each other, that's what I dislike most, and yes I understand that is part of the hype for marketability.
Experience fighting is not the end all stat when it comes to fighting. Who would win Shamrock or Fedor? Well if fighting experince is the only stat that matters then bye bye Fedor, and we all know that won't happen.
My point is that there are many high level martial artsists that only fight to protect themselves, because they know how dangerous they actually are. These people would literally kill Fedor if they thought they were in danger. These people use martial arts, more as it generally intended, as defense. They do not fight publicly because they have nothing to prove. This is of course outside of the cage, where the fighting is not limited. Just like who would win a boxing match Fedor or Tyson in his prime. The rules and the training and tactics are in the favor of the persons specialty.
I picked who I thought would win, and I stand by that. Just because we see Fedor on TV being hyped as the best pound for pound fighter, does not make it truth. There are people out there who could destroy him. They just don't spend their lives on TV fighting. That's where the discipline and control that is a part of many martial art training come in. Some of the greatest martial artists don't fight unless they have to.
Paladin_King
1. There are a lot of showoffs in the UFC, and those are the guys I really don't enjoy watching at all (Nate Diaz is a prime example). That said, if I could name one guy for whom this is NOT the case, it's Fedor. Fedor is quite possibly the most humble, and most respectful MMA fighter out there today. He never trash talks. The man does not fight for himself, as again and again in his interviews, he has stated that he fights for Russia and in order to prove Russia's national sport, Sambo. Fedor is anything BUT what you described. That said, I think you're talking about boxing in what you describe. It isn't at all uncommon for UFC or MMA fighters to show a great deal of respect for each other, hugging each other, praising their opponent, in defeat or victory, touching gloves before and after rounds, apologizing for accidental lowblows or eyepokes....MMA is much more respectful than boxing and there are many class-acts in the UFC. Guys like Randy Couture, Kenny Florian, Forrest Griffin, and Keith Jardine all spring to mind. Wanderlei Silva is my favourite fighter of all. He fights with all his heart, leaves everything in the ring, and fights like a wildman, but he is always incredibly respectful, particularly when others respect him, and is always grateful for what he has. Also, let's not forget that Brazilian mentality in general. Many BJJ practitioners today, and particularly when the Gracies first entered MMA, feel that they are fighting to legitimize their country's place in world sport and also to legitimize their distinctly Brazilian art. They fight for their country, their schools, and their discipline above all else.
2. So experience makes NO difference? There are exceptions, but more often than not, it is a factor. Also, come freaking on. I'm starting to question if you really DO watch MMA. If you did, I can't see how you'd make that Shamrock/Fedor comparison, knowing damn well that that comparison is ludicrous. Fedor is in his prime and Shamrock and far, far past it and should have retired years ago. If Shamrock had the experience but was also in better physical condition, it'd be more interesting. For God's sake, Shamrock is 13 years older than Fedor. And it's not like Ken has a million more bouts under his belt either (Ken has 40, Fedor 31)
3. Forgive me, but you're basing your argument on martial artists that we don't even know of, that we've never seen in action. I understand your point, but the argument sounds like a devout Christian telling me to believe in God: I can't see Him directly, but he exists, and he's more awesome than anything you HAVE seen. In the world of combat SPORTS that doesn't exist.
4. That's another thing. You contest Fedor's place as #1 p4p fighter due to these....mysterious entities. But, if they only fight to protect themselves, are they truly FIGHTERS or are they ARTISTS in the "martial artists" sense. The two may hybridize at some points, but they are a bit different.
5. Lastly, it ends up boiling down to not only fighter against fighter, but discipline against discipline. You say that a lot of martial arts were only ever meant to be used in the interests of self-defence, implying that professional fighters are somehow corrupting their chosen disciplines. Unfortunately, many martial arts do NOT find their origins in self-defence. Sambo, Fedor's foremost style, found its origins in being taught for strict combat purposes to the Russian army. It was meant for COMBAT, not strict self-defence. Later, Sport Sambo would be developed, and used for competitive purposes. While it's military purposes may be argued as still being self-defence, depending on your view of Russian military CQC, sport sambo, the development of which was close to parallel, is certainly not rooted in self-defence.
BJJ is a similar case, if viewed as a separate entity from japanese jujutsu, which is very, very different, certainly. The Gracies ultimately developed BJJ for Vale Tudo tournaments. While Helio Gracie's views on jiujitsu frequently echoed the sentiments you express on martial arts, it's still ambivalent at best, as he himself competed in many tournaments and also coached/cornered Royce Gracie at the mercilessly brutal spectacles that were UFC 1 and UFC 2. BJJ IS a tournie combat sport.
Amen to that! I am getting so sick of debating people on here when it comes to Bruce Lee. "OMG Lee could poke someone's eyes out", "He could push your chest and kill you instantly" are what most of the responses you get in these kinds of threads anyway. And your right about the point dealing with most not knowing Fedor. I would 90% of the people on these boards have never seen him fight anyway so the argument can never be won.1. Forgive me, I did not say relatively speaking. In comparison with the majority of matrial artist, UFC has more showoff type fighters. There are people who show respect to eachother, and I admire that. But it seems there are so many tools that think they are hard and try to start fights all the time because they watch UFC, and that to me is just plain pathetic, one thing I do not like about glorifying macho BS. That the way the matches are presented that seems to purposefully veil the respect these fighters have for eachother in the name of profit, and more pay-per-veiw purchases. Hyping drama, like TV does so well. There are many fighters I respect in UFC, many of which you just named.1. There are a lot of showoffs in the UFC, and those are the guys I really don't enjoy watching at all (Nate Diaz is a prime example). That said, if I could name one guy for whom this is NOT the case, it's Fedor. Fedor is quite possibly the most humble, and most respectful MMA fighter out there today. He never trash talks. The man does not fight for himself, as again and again in his interviews, he has stated that he fights for Russia and in order to prove Russia's national sport, Sambo. Fedor is anything BUT what you described. That said, I think you're talking about boxing in what you describe. It isn't at all uncommon for UFC or MMA fighters to show a great deal of respect for each other, hugging each other, praising their opponent, in defeat or victory, touching gloves before and after rounds, apologizing for accidental lowblows or eyepokes....MMA is much more respectful than boxing and there are many class-acts in the UFC. Guys like Randy Couture, Kenny Florian, Forrest Griffin, and Keith Jardine all spring to mind. Wanderlei Silva is my favourite fighter of all. He fights with all his heart, leaves everything in the ring, and fights like a wildman, but he is always incredibly respectful, particularly when others respect him, and is always grateful for what he has. Also, let's not forget that Brazilian mentality in general. Many BJJ practitioners today, and particularly when the Gracies first entered MMA, feel that they are fighting to legitimize their country's place in world sport and also to legitimize their distinctly Brazilian art. They fight for their country, their schools, and their discipline above all else.
2. So experience makes NO difference? There are exceptions, but more often than not, it is a factor. Also, come freaking on. I'm starting to question if you really DO watch MMA. If you did, I can't see how you'd make that Shamrock/Fedor comparison, knowing damn well that that comparison is ludicrous. Fedor is in his prime and Shamrock and far, far past it and should have retired years ago. If Shamrock had the experience but was also in better physical condition, it'd be more interesting. For God's sake, Shamrock is 13 years older than Fedor. And it's not like Ken has a million more bouts under his belt either (Ken has 40, Fedor 31)
3. Forgive me, but you're basing your argument on martial artists that we don't even know of, that we've never seen in action. I understand your point, but the argument sounds like a devout Christian telling me to believe in God: I can't see Him directly, but he exists, and he's more awesome than anything you HAVE seen. In the world of combat SPORTS that doesn't exist.
4. That's another thing. You contest Fedor's place as #1 p4p fighter due to these....mysterious entities. But, if they only fight to protect themselves, are they truly FIGHTERS or are they ARTISTS in the "martial artists" sense. The two may hybridize at some points, but they are a bit different.
5. Lastly, it ends up boiling down to not only fighter against fighter, but discipline against discipline. You say that a lot of martial arts were only ever meant to be used in the interests of self-defence, implying that professional fighters are somehow corrupting their chosen disciplines. Unfortunately, many martial arts do NOT find their origins in self-defence. Sambo, Fedor's foremost style, found its origins in being taught for strict combat purposes to the Russian army. It was meant for COMBAT, not strict self-defence. Later, Sport Sambo would be developed, and used for competitive purposes. While it's military purposes may be argued as still being self-defence, depending on your view of Russian military CQC, sport sambo, the development of which was close to parallel, is certainly not rooted in self-defence.
BJJ is a similar case, if viewed as a separate entity from japanese jujutsu, which is very, very different, certainly. The Gracies ultimately developed BJJ for Vale Tudo tournaments. While Helio Gracie's views on jiujitsu frequently echoed the sentiments you express on martial arts, it's still ambivalent at best, as he himself competed in many tournaments and also coached/cornered Royce Gracie at the mercilessly brutal spectacles that were UFC 1 and UFC 2. BJJ IS a tournie combat sport.
Paladin_King
2. I never said experience makes no difference, but you seemed to be making it out to seem that experience is the biggest factor no matter what in a fight. Thats why I made that ridiculous comparison to assert that experience is not the ultimate factor in a fight. Because it is not. It is a factor yes, but not so absolute.
3. I am not trying to discredit the abilities of UFC fighters when I say there are people out there that could defeat them. I am pretty much postive there are better fighters out there that don't fight. They have nothing to prove. I am not trying to prove this to you, as much as I am stating it is what I feel to be true. Most prolific UFC fighters could easily hold there own with at least 95% percent of people.. But that doesn't mean there cannot be a better fighter out there that just does not get coverage because they don't fight all the time. I have a very hard time believing that Fedor is the most tough badass guy that ever lived, sorry if that offends you. He is one hell of a fighter, and has proved that. But calling someone the best fighter in the world, who has not defeated the whole world is just as asinine. That title is a hype tool.
4. I see your point that they are more artists than fighters, that makes complete sense. Once again, I'm not trying to discredit Fedor as much as I am asserting that he probably is not the greatest fighter in the world. It sure does sound nice in commercials though. He has proven he is one of the best, but he would have to beat everyone in a fight to literally prove that.
5. Yes there are combat specific martial arts, I understand that. That is why I have asserted that I respect martial arts that encourage discipline and control. Let enough douchbags get a hold of Sambo and other offensive martial arts, and you have nothing more than a macho bully. Most offensive martial arts were developed to be used in battle, not as much civilian training. Thats where the problem is (to me personally) is that when these offensive martial arts get into the wrong hands they are far more detrimental to society. Fighting should be a last resort in civilian life. Thats why I prefer defensive martial arts over combat martial arts. To many problems can stem from training idiots how to fight, but not how to control their abilities. The problem isn't the consentual trained competitors, as much as it is the civilan wannabes.
Firstly watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdAeDuOBlOs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wRdYd-r_tY Secondly, Fedor has never fought for the UFC. One of the reason he hasn't fought for the UFC is because he doesn't like how they treat their fighters, according to Fedor the UFC treats its fighters like animals and not as sportsmen. Finally, Fedor is a very respectful and humble fighter, he doesn't show any emotions inside the ring, doesn't disrespect other competitors, doesn't look mean like Kimbo, doesn't look buff like Lesnar, and doesn't even speak English in public. This is why his marketability in America is close to NIL. Yet he is by far the most popular professional martial artist in Asia, Europe and Africa (outside of boxing).Most people in UFC are nothing more than tough guy showoffs. They are definitely skilled fighters by the rules of the cage. I like to watch it, and it is interesting. But I could never actually like any of these people. Macho testosterone induced bullies that are in love with themselves. They rarely show respect for each other, that's what I dislike most, and yes I understand that is part of the hype for marketability.
There is ONLY one fighter that has proven his worth in about 31 fights. There is only ONE fighter that has beaten:5 different UFC champions Coleman; Randleman; Sylvia; Nog; Arlovski http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40kDJsw8dwU 4 kick boxing champions Schilt; Hunt; Goodridge; HMC; 7 different MMA champions Coleman; Randleman; Sylvia; Nog; Goodridge; Mirko; Arlovski 2 silver Olympic Medalist Lindland; Ogawa 1 ADCC open weight champion Arona There is only 1 fighter that has gone 30+ fights that has - Never knocked down by any type of strike. - Never lost a decision. - Never been sub'd - Never been knocked out Only one fighter that has ever won 5 different MMA Championships. - Wamma HW belt - Pride HW belt - Pride Grand Prix tournament - Rings king of kings tournament - Rings world class tournament -All while finishing 76% of his opponents. -A current 25 fight win streak -With 22 victories in the first round -5 victories in the first minute -12 victories in the first 2 minutes -Lowest strikes absorbed per minute, percentage out of any fighter with at least 10 fights at .59 -No other fighter in all MMA has any where near the list of accomplishments.Men's Combat Sambo - World Championships Gold 2002 Thessaloniki +100 kg Gold 2002 Panama City open Gold 2005 Prague +100 kg Gold 2007 Prague +100 kg Bronze 2008 St. Petersburg +100 kg Russian Sambo Championships Bronze 1998 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2000 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2002 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2005 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2006 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2007 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2008 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Gold 2009 Russian Combat Sambo Championships +100 kg Men's Judo Championships Gold 1997 Russian Judo Championships +100 Bronze 1998 Russian Judo ChampionshipsExperience fighting is not the end all stat when it comes to fighting. Who would win Shamrock or Fedor? Well if fighting experience is the only stat that matters then bye bye Fedor, and we all know that won't happen. I picked who I thought would win, and I stand by that. Just because we see Fedor on TV being hyped as the best pound for pound fighter, does not make it truth. There are people out there who could destroy him. They just don't spend their lives on TV fighting. That's where the discipline and control that is a part of many martial art training come in. Some of the greatest martial artists don't fight unless they have to.
Out of all the martial arts styles, Sambo is one of the most deadly and complete. Sambo originated from Vasili Oshchepkov and Viktor Spiridonov but various techniques were added to and perfected by the military through cross training between students and military staff. Each technique was carefully dissected and considered for its merits, and if found acceptable in unarmed combat, refined to reach Sambo's ultimate goal: to stop an armed or unarmed adversary in the least time possible. Today Sambo is the main martial arts taught to Russia's Special Forces and Commandos, Secret Police, Dignitary Protection, and Psychiatric Hospital Staff. Sambo is also the reason why Fedor is such good friends with ex-Russian president and ex-KGB spy Vladimir Putin. Sambo is what Bruce Lee always preached about but never quite fulfilled with Jeet Kune Do "practicality, flexibility, speed, and efficiency". In Russian, Sambo means Self-Defense Without a Weapon. The founder of Sambo Vasili was one of the first foreigners to learn Judo in Japan and had earned his nidan from judo's founder, Kano Jigoro. According to Wikipedia Sambo is a combination of many forms of martial arts including: Local (Russian) combat systems -Russian fist fighting, -Tuvan Khuresh, -Yakuts khapsagai, -Chuvash akatuy, -Georgian chidaoba, -Moldavian trinta, -Armenian kokh, and -Uzbek Kurash to name a few. International combat systems -Various styles of European wrestling, -Catch wrestling, -Japanese jujutsu, -French savate, -Muay thai and other martial arts of the day -Plus the classical Olympic sports of amateur boxing, -Greco-Roman wrestling -Freestyle wrestling -Sambo even derived lunging and parrying techniques from the Italian school of swordsmanship.My point is that there are many high level martial artsists that only fight to protect themselves, because they know how dangerous they actually are. These people would literally kill Fedor if they thought they were in danger. These people use martial arts, more as it generally intended, as defense. They do not fight publicly because they have nothing to prove. This is of course outside of the cage, where the fighting is not limited. Just like who would win a boxing match Fedor or Tyson in his prime. The rules and the training and tactics are in the favor of the persons specialty.
Depends on the situation, if it's a streetfight, then Bruce Lee has a chance of winning, but if it's a regular MMA fight, then Fedor wins.
Fedor has almost a 100 pound weight advantage and has beaten some of the best fighters MMA has ever seen. jfcundiffmost of the ppl bruce fought had 100 lbs on him
First of all, Fedor is in MMA, and Bruce Lee wasnt. So if it is in MMA, then idk. But Bruce Lee was a WAY better fighter than Deedor or Teedor or whoever you call him. If we are talking about scrappin, then Bruce Lee wouldve karate kicked his ass into next Tuesday.
Trivia- is it just me, or does Kimbo Slice's name/appearance make him look like he is supposed to be a character in Street Fighter!!!!!!!
First of all, Fedor is in MMA, and Bruce Lee wasnt. So if it is in MMA, then idk. But Bruce Lee was a WAY better fighter than Deedor or Teedor or whoever you call him. If we are talking about scrappin, then Bruce Lee wouldve karate kicked his ass into next Teusday.
Trivia- is it just me, or does Kimbo Slice's name/appearance make him look like he is supposed to be a character in Street Fighter!!!!!!!
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Fedor is a MMA champ and a martial arts champ. Sambo is a martial arts and Fedor is one of the best of all time in sambo. Hell even in a bruce lee movie they show respect to samo and have him fight a "sambo champion".
Sambo is a style much like what Lee created himslf. Based on what works in real life. Thats why the rusian miltary uses it and its special forces are known for their hand to hand. Sambo is literally judo + boxing/savat + russian folkstyle wrestlying (Russia dominate Olympic wrestling since the modern Olympics existed)+ grappling
Everyone knows Bruce Lee is the correct answer. Even Fedor knows this.
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5. Yes there are combat specific martial arts, I understand that. That is why I have asserted that I respect martial arts that encourage discipline and control. Let enough douchbags get a hold of Sambo and other offensive martial arts, and you have nothing more than a macho bully. Most offensive martial arts were developed to be used in battle, not as much civilian training. Thats where the problem is (to me personally) is that when these offensive martial arts get into the wrong hands they are far more detrimental to society. Fighting should be a last resort in civilian life. Thats why I prefer defensive martial arts over combat martial arts. To many problems can stem from training idiots how to fight, but not how to control their abilities. The problem isn't the consentual trained competitors, as much as it is the civilan wannabes.
That statement proves that you don't know Fedor. He is literally what you describe. He is a family man and is a hardore Eastern orthodox follower. He literaly trains with his priest.You ignorance of him does not deny the reality of his disicipline, if that is what you actually care about.
Have a quick look at this video, it shows some Sambo techniques and how they can work in real life situations. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=371jXmmDkQ4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3aaczB4W84 You do know that Fedor is a multiple World Champion in Combat Sambo? Fedor would have a great advantage in a streetfight. Poking someone in the eye or punching them on the throat might work for some but the chances are very slim and close to nil against a skilled opponent. Combat Sambo is basically made for the military and protection service and so close to everything is allowed including kicks to the groin. Obviously you cant kill your oppoenent (on the ring) but the ingredients and techniques are there to do so in combat situations. Also, headbutting used to be allowed but was taken out because it caused such a mess, other than that its a free for all type competition and allot closer to what you would encounter on a street brawl. Combat Sambo is closer to what they use in the military, Sport Sambo is very much for civilians.Depends on the situation, if it's a streetfight, then Bruce Lee has a chance of winning, but if it's a regular MMA fight, then Fedor wins.
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Fedor has almost a 100 pound weight advantage and has beaten some of the best fighters MMA has ever seen. jfcundiffEmelianenko was only fighting guys one on one, Bruce Lee can fight numerous opponents at the same time.. And he's known world wide so he wins automatically..
Fedor has almost a 100 pound weight advantage and has beaten some of the best fighters MMA has ever seen. jfcundiffBruce Lee would still batter him.
[QUOTE="jfcundiff"]Fedor has almost a 100 pound weight advantage and has beaten some of the best fighters MMA has ever seen. RonsteraEmelianenko was only fighting guys one on one, Bruce Lee can fight numerous opponents at the same time.. And he's known world wide so he wins automatically.. Normally proper competitions only pit one professional fighter against another, this isnt a movie or play acting where all the moves are choreographed. Sambo is great not just for one on one but agaisnt multiple attackers. Sometimes a kick or even a quick punch doesnt stop an attacker from reaching you, sometimes the attacker can sneak up on you, this is where Sambo techniques comes in. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=371jXmmDkQ4
With all due respect to Bruce Lee, he would get destroyed by Fedor.
i dont know who this fedor dude is but bruce lee would own him badly
Bruce Lee is an actor with flowery words and no actual martial arts competition experience. He would surely die.monaroCountryi'm not even going to bother with this....
[QUOTE="monaroCountry"]Bruce Lee is an actor with flowery words and no actual martial arts competition experience. He would surely die.lonewolf604i'm not even going to bother with this.... I aam correct though, Bruce Lee is a great actor and great martial artist on screen. However when it comes down to it he hasnt proven himself one on one against an equally skilled opponent. In a real fight people just dont fall over and fly around in the air after a punch or a kick.
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