The hypocrisy in this thread is rather surprising.Â
jimkabrhel
What are some examples?
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[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
The hypocrisy in this thread is rather surprising.Â
capaho
What are some examples?
Me actually. I'm a terrible bully around here.
i don't think any users deserve to be denied proper argument and conversation...
frannkzappa
I disagree. There are certain conditions that need to be met for that.
Yes, yes, your e-dick is so big. Now please go lie down somewhere before you hurt yourself.Quit your bitchin'
lostrib
Having read through this thread I want to expand on it a little more.Â
I fully admit that I have been embroiled in some bitter feuds here before but I can't condone those actions. I think it is right that everyone should be treated with a general respect and courtesy. So long as people aren't breaking the rules and generally behaving themselves there is no reason to single them out, even if they have different political or religious opinions or whatever.Â
I do think that there are some trolls here who lay themselves open to frustrated retaliation. Orbs and Laihendi, as random examples I can think of, both pick fights without actually being open to debate. Often someone goes to some effort to explain a certain point to them only to be dismissed without actually getting a real reply - I can understand why that gets frustrating and why people might toss in an insult or whatever in the heat of things. If individuals such as the two I mentioned aren't willing to show respect and listen to others then I guess it is to be expected that other people won't respect them.
However in the past I think there was genuine bullying based on such reasons as level-climbing and shiz, but thankfully I think that people don't seem to be those obsessive kind of bullies here anymore, at least from what I've seen recently. A positive result of the rule change I think.
I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.Laihendithis.
bully. please refrain such language to your self ma'am.[QUOTE="T-Bone91"]You're such a pvssy TC.coolbeans90
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I haven't been here since last year, so I have no idea what's going on.
SirWander
well for one, we can write shit, mods are pretty lax now.Â
I've gotten so many moderations for the dumbest things in the past. Glad to see the mods are less sensative. I don't recognize a single user on here anymore. Haha.I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.Laihendi
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.sSubZerOo
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that.I am completely open to debate. I make a statement, someone explains why they think I am wrong, and then I explain why they are actually wrong to think that I am wrong, etc. Being open to debate does not mean throwing away your convictions/arguments just because a bunch of people disagree with you. To be open to a debate with any integrity you have to be willing to say that you are right and the other person is wrong.Having read through this thread I want to expand on it a little more.Â
I fully admit that I have been embroiled in some bitter feuds here before but I can't condone those actions. I think it is right that everyone should be treated with a general respect and courtesy. So long as people aren't breaking the rules and generally behaving themselves there is no reason to single them out, even if they have different political or religious opinions or whatever.Â
I do think that there are some trolls here who lay themselves open to frustrated retaliation. Orbs and Laihendi, as random examples I can think of, both pick fights without actually being open to debate. Often someone goes to some effort to explain a certain point to them only to be dismissed without actually getting a real reply - I can understand why that gets frustrating and why people might toss in an insult or whatever in the heat of things. If individuals such as the two I mentioned aren't willing to show respect and listen to others then I guess it is to be expected that other people won't respect them.
However in the past I think there was genuine bullying based on such reasons as level-climbing and shiz, but thankfully I think that people don't seem to be those obsessive kind of bullies here anymore, at least from what I've seen recently. A positive result of the rule change I think.
MissLibrarian
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.Laihendi
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that. QFT. There's a huge difference between adult humans who're able to care for themselves; and adult humans who require other adults to wipe their ****, feed them, clothe them, work to pay their bills etc.[QUOTE="indzman"]I consider it a moral cause to explain how people are wrong.Lai is a good guy but he tries to explain much to total strangers on internet. Just stop responding to haters and get over with it lai :P
Laihendi
many people on internet will never admit they are wrong even if they are, why waste your time and energy proving them wrong ? You got better things to do.Â
I consider it a moral cause to explain how people are wrong.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="indzman"]
Lai is a good guy but he tries to explain much to total strangers on internet. Just stop responding to haters and get over with it lai :P
indzman
many people on internet will never admit they are wrong even if they are, why waste your time and energy proving them wrong ? You got better things to do.Â
I think it is important for rational individuals to be outspoken about their beliefs in order to curb destructive tendencies in popular opinion/culture.[QUOTE="indzman"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I consider it a moral cause to explain how people are wrong.Laihendi
many people on internet will never admit they are wrong even if they are, why waste your time and energy proving them wrong ? You got better things to do.Â
I think it is important for rational individuals to be outspoken about their beliefs in order to curb destructive tendencies in popular opinion/culture.mhm
carry on :P
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.Laihendi
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that. You are insulting mentally ill individuals which is disrespectful. Do you not understand?[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that. You are insulting mentally ill individuals which is disrespectful. Do you not understand? I am not insulting; I am stating facts. It is a fact that mentally ill people are mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. You are ignoring what it means to be ill/healthy. Illness is inferior to health, therefore an ill mind is inferior to a healthy mind. That is a matter of logic, not insults.Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
BranKetra
[QUOTE="frannkzappa"]
Anyone with a uncommon philosophy is treated harshly, respect is hard to earn.
sune_Gem
So true.
You can't do anything out of the ordinary without someone or some people attacking you for it.
Very, very, very true. If you think otherwise, you must be "uneducated". It's pretty clear which group I refer to.I am completely open to debate. I make a statement, someone explains why they think I am wrong, and then I explain why they are actually wrong to think that I am wrong, etc. Being open to debate does not mean throwing away your convictions/arguments just because a bunch of people disagree with you. To be open to a debate with any integrity you have to be willing to say that you are right and the other person is wrong.Laihendi
I consider it a moral cause to explain how people are wrong.LaihendiNo, your severe flaw and the reason why you are utterly narrow-minded and one of the worst debaters here is this erroneous conviction you have: that you are right and everyone else is wrong. In politics, sociology and the other areas you enjoy viewing through your Rand-coloured-glasses, there IS NO right or wrong. Each individual on the planet has an idea, a preference of which they prefer and believe in, but there is nothing that makes one person's opinion right or wrong. Again, it is a preference. In my life I have grown and adapted my ideas and beliefs and they have changed a lot over time. Personally I have switched from the rabid right-wing politics I believed in as a teenager to a far more liberal leaning nowadays. The reason for this is, through my genuinely debating the subject, I have been open enough and willing to LISTEN to the arguments of others and really think about what they are saying instead of thinking that I am 'right' all the time and instantly dismissing the arguments of others as 'wrong'. Your yourself were influenced greatly by a particular author, you read her writing and it appealed to you, it was in line with your personal preference. However many other people here (myself included) have read Atlas Shrugged and have not come to the same conclusion as you. This is not because we are wrong and you are right, it is because of preference. I would be willing to debate things with you in an open-minded way, and if you were willing to expand on the points people make and offered a real answer to the points people make against your case. Instead you just say 'no, that's wrong', and no. THAT is wrong.
[QUOTE="indzman"]I consider it a moral cause to explain how people are wrong. When do you admit you're wrong Lai?Lai is a good guy but he tries to explain much to total strangers on internet. Just stop responding to haters and get over with it lai :P
Laihendi
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I agree, bullying is a serious problem here. People should make more of an effort to keep discourse civilized and rational.Laihendi
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that.Except that many people with mental illness are far more productive than you ever have been, and likely ever will be, you ignorant c*nt.
You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that.[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]
Then you must get "bullied" alot with your views on things like people suffering from mental illnesses are subhuman.. Pretty much any one is going to call you a sack of sh!t for opinions like that and it is well deserved...
worlock77
Except that many people with mental illness are far more productive than you ever have been, and likely ever will be, you ignorant c*nt.
Ironically I sometimes feel he fits the definition of what he abhors. And I can't get why people cover for him here.[QUOTE="worlock77"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] You are just letting emotional biases interfere with your rational faculty. Mentally ill people are by definition mentally inferior to mentally healthy people. If their condition did not make them mentally inferior then it would not be an illness. Recognizing that a productive genius is the superior of some miserable wretch who can barely keep from killing himself does not make me a bad person. By claiming that everyone is equal you are insulting those who make the effort to be better than that.LJS9502_basic
Except that many people with mental illness are far more productive than you ever have been, and likely ever will be, you ignorant c*nt.
Ironically I sometimes feel he fits the definition of what he abhors. And I can't get why people cover for him here.Because some people take great pride in the simple fact of being different. You see the same defense over and over again: "People just disrespect me because I have different views." It's used as an ironclad defense from being wrong.
I can't have said things better than Miss Librarian about his subject. I've tried time and time again to debate certain posters here, but when your foil refuses to move from one opinion/belief, it's not worth the effort.
Ironically I sometimes feel he fits the definition of what he abhors. And I can't get why people cover for him here.[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]
Except that many people with mental illness are far more productive than you ever have been, and likely ever will be, you ignorant c*nt.
jimkabrhel
Because some people take great pride in the simple fact of being different. You see the same defense over and over again: "People just disrespect me because I have different views." It's used as an ironclad defense from being wrong.
I can't have said things better than Miss Librarian about his subject. I've tried time and time again to debate certain posters here, but when your foil refuses to move from one opinion/belief, it's not worth the effort.
I gave up debating some time ago.....you would have liked here about three or four years back when people did debate the topic and not just hurl insults. It's not worth it now. Better to not take it as anything more than speaking your mind and knowing the other side will not pay attention anyway. Just a way to pas the time now.:P[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ironically I sometimes feel he fits the definition of what he abhors. And I can't get why people cover for him here. LJS9502_basic
Because some people take great pride in the simple fact of being different. You see the same defense over and over again: "People just disrespect me because I have different views." It's used as an ironclad defense from being wrong.
I can't have said things better than Miss Librarian about his subject. I've tried time and time again to debate certain posters here, but when your foil refuses to move from one opinion/belief, it's not worth the effort.
I gave up debating some time ago.....you would have liked here about three or four years back when people did debate the topic and not just hurl insults. It's not worth it now. Better to not take it as anything more than speaking your mind and knowing the other side will not pay attention anyway. Just a way to pas the time now.:PMmhmm. And I have better ways to pass the time now.
I gave up debating some time ago.....you would have liked here about three or four years back when people did debate the topic and not just hurl insults. It's not worth it now. Better to not take it as anything more than speaking your mind and knowing the other side will not pay attention anyway. Just a way to pas the time now.:P[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]
[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]
Because some people take great pride in the simple fact of being different. You see the same defense over and over again: "People just disrespect me because I have different views." It's used as an ironclad defense from being wrong.
I can't have said things better than Miss Librarian about his subject. I've tried time and time again to debate certain posters here, but when your foil refuses to move from one opinion/belief, it's not worth the effort.
jimkabrhel
Mmhmm. And I have better ways to pass the time now.
That too.....anyway MissL is not going to get through to Lai anyway so she might as well have saved herself the trouble..you would have liked here about three or four years back when people did debate the topic and not just hurl insults. It's not worth it now. Better to not take it as anything more than speaking your mind and knowing the other side will not pay attention anyway. Just a way to pas the time now.:PLJS9502_basic
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Yeah, it's a shame we can't moderate the very obvious trolling. As I've said before it used to be fun watching people try to troll in a way that would allow them to get away with it :P
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