Bush is the worst president ever.

From what I have seen is the Democrats though they still have the "wimp" image that quite a few are too stupid to understand that it was created form a smear campaign, they seem to be the voice of reasoning when it comes to the two parties...

I was awed when first of all every Republican at the party debate said they had NOTHING to change or improve about America if they could, wtf? Are they clearly that ignorant that they believe the United STates is perfect? It also bothers me that 3 out of the 5 said they didn't believe in Evolution.. Normally I wouldn't care, but if they are this dismissive about one of the largest backed up Scientific ideas in the community, how can we trust them if they will ever take advice from the science community when it comes to multiple issues?

Why hasn't any of the Republican's at very least called out the Bush Organization on choosing unqualified canidates for important decisions with loyalty over competence in mind?

Why hasn't the Republican party in general thrown any different stratgies for the war in Iraq? I find it shocking that throwing more bodies at a problem can even be CALLED a strategy...

In the end in these pass two terms I have lost respect for what everything the Republican party stands for.. They claim to be the party of morals and values, yet they call veterans who disagree with them cowards and unpatriotic.. How is it possible that some how they made Kerry a person who served in the Vietnam war a coward, traitor, snitch, murderer, and unpatriotic, and some how made bush a HERO when he couldn't even FINISH his training.. How the hell do these peoples have the balls calling the past Georgian senator having no knees and being unpatriotic, when none of these Republicans have ever served EVER.. While the Goergian senator (ALWAYS forget his name) lost a arm and two legs in the Vietnam war..

How can this party be so hawkish while at the same time smereing people who have actually been in the war that happen to have a difference of opinion..

That being said I am not saying Democrats are a beacon of light, but what I have seen is they are clearly the better chance.. And it shocks me that alot these peopel claim if the democrats get voted into office the country will go down hill... Wait a moment, isn't our country already going down hill?

We have violated numerous international laws, from balistics treaty, space programs treaty, numerous nuclear treaties, and geniva convention.

We have failed in our goals of stopping terrorism. The group that attacked us on 9/11 is still alive and larger then ever. We basically let go their main guy by pulling back troops for no for seeable reason.. We pre-empitvily attacked a country that did not provoke such a move.. We have created far more terrorism sense the Iraq War then before it... There were no WMD's we cost thousnads of soldiers lives, wounded uncountable amounts of soldirs as well as civilians over there.. Estimates have been pooring in of kill a huge amount of civilians both directly and indirectly in the War in IRaq..

Now there is nothing to do about it.. But this party in all its genious has yet to do anything other then throw bodies at a problem that has been getting greater every day.

It has caused our country billions of dollars, not to mention losing over 10 billion of HARD CURRENCY over there that could have very well fallen into terrorist hands..

We have committed diplomatic suicide. By first ignoring the UN, then calling countries such as France traitors and cowards for MERELY having a difference of opinion. We have done dumbass things such as refusing all foriegn aid for Katrina from numerous countries while spending massive amounts of money in trying to solve the problem.

The trickle down economic plan is not working, statistics have been showing the middle class is disolving where the poor become poorer and the rich become richer. Immigration has become a dieaster with the party looking from a business perspective rather then a government perspective in a issue that must be stopped. In the end regardless of the person I automatically look down on any one with the bias of owning massive CEO's or oil industries such as the one in office, whos to say their bias in decision making isn't lead on this motivation?

sSubZerOo

That whole thing can be said about the Democrats as well.

Just face it. This Nation is screwed when it comes to agreements. Washington warned us about the issues of Political Parties yet we did it anyways. 

From what I have seen is the Democrats though they still have the "wimp" image that quite a few are too stupid to understand that it was created form a smear campaign, they seem to be the voice of reasoning when it comes to the two parties...

I was awed when first of all every Republican at the party debate said they had NOTHING to change or improve about America if they could, wtf? Are they clearly that ignorant that they believe the United STates is perfect? It also bothers me that 3 out of the 5 said they didn't believe in Evolution.. Normally I wouldn't care, but if they are this dismissive about one of the largest backed up Scientific ideas in the community, how can we trust them if they will ever take advice from the science community when it comes to multiple issues?

Why hasn't any of the Republican's at very least called out the Bush Organization on choosing unqualified canidates for important decisions with loyalty over competence in mind?

Why hasn't the Republican party in general thrown any different stratgies for the war in Iraq? I find it shocking that throwing more bodies at a problem can even be CALLED a strategy...

In the end in these pass two terms I have lost respect for what everything the Republican party stands for.. They claim to be the party of morals and values, yet they call veterans who disagree with them cowards and unpatriotic.. How is it possible that some how they made Kerry a person who served in the Vietnam war a coward, traitor, snitch, murderer, and unpatriotic, and some how made bush a HERO when he couldn't even FINISH his training.. How the hell do these peoples have the balls calling the past Georgian senator having no knees and being unpatriotic, when none of these Republicans have ever served EVER.. While the Goergian senator (ALWAYS forget his name) lost a arm and two legs in the Vietnam war..

How can this party be so hawkish while at the same time smereing people who have actually been in the war that happen to have a difference of opinion..

That being said I am not saying Democrats are a beacon of light, but what I have seen is they are clearly the better chance.. And it shocks me that alot these peopel claim if the democrats get voted into office the country will go down hill... Wait a moment, isn't our country already going down hill?

We have violated numerous international laws, from balistics treaty, space programs treaty, numerous nuclear treaties, and geniva convention.

We have failed in our goals of stopping terrorism. The group that attacked us on 9/11 is still alive and larger then ever. We basically let go their main guy by pulling back troops for no for seeable reason.. We pre-empitvily attacked a country that did not provoke such a move.. We have created far more terrorism sense the Iraq War then before it... There were no WMD's we cost thousnads of soldiers lives, wounded uncountable amounts of soldirs as well as civilians over there.. Estimates have been pooring in of kill a huge amount of civilians both directly and indirectly in the War in IRaq..

Now there is nothing to do about it.. But this party in all its genious has yet to do anything other then throw bodies at a problem that has been getting greater every day.

It has caused our country billions of dollars, not to mention losing over 10 billion of HARD CURRENCY over there that could have very well fallen into terrorist hands..

We have committed diplomatic suicide. By first ignoring the UN, then calling countries such as France traitors and cowards for MERELY having a difference of opinion. We have done dumbass things such as refusing all foriegn aid for Katrina from numerous countries while spending massive amounts of money in trying to solve the problem.

The trickle down economic plan is not working, statistics have been showing the middle class is disolving where the poor become poorer and the rich become richer. Immigration has become a dieaster with the party looking from a business perspective rather then a government perspective in a issue that must be stopped. In the end regardless of the person I automatically look down on any one with the bias of owning massive CEO's or oil industries such as the one in office, whos to say their bias in decision making isn't lead on this motivation?

sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="ShadowTheHHFan"]It was to dispose of all terrorism in that country which in turn will help it.Sajo7

Well in that case lets go get fry some rebels in Africa, after that we can find some Pacific third-world country to fix up, hell, lets help out South America while we're at it.

We simply don't have the time or energy to go around helping every messed up country.

Just face it. This Nation is screwed when it comes to agreements. Washington warned us about the issues of Political Parties yet we did it anyways. ShadowTheHHFan

Parties are not, it still boils down to liberal or conservative views.  It can't be helped.

At least we try. ShadowTheHHFan

Maybe we could try fixing America then.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="ShadowTheHHFan"]It was to dispose of all terrorism in that country which in turn will help it.ShadowTheHHFan

Well in that case lets go get fry some rebels in Africa, after that we can find some Pacific third-world country to fix up, hell, lets help out South America while we're at it.

We simply don't have the time or energy to go around helping every messed up country.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

From what I have seen is the Democrats though they still have the "wimp" image that quite a few are too stupid to understand that it was created form a smear campaign, they seem to be the voice of reasoning when it comes to the two parties...

I was awed when first of all every Republican at the party debate said they had NOTHING to change or improve about America if they could, wtf? Are they clearly that ignorant that they believe the United STates is perfect? It also bothers me that 3 out of the 5 said they didn't believe in Evolution.. Normally I wouldn't care, but if they are this dismissive about one of the largest backed up Scientific ideas in the community, how can we trust them if they will ever take advice from the science community when it comes to multiple issues?

Why hasn't any of the Republican's at very least called out the Bush Organization on choosing unqualified canidates for important decisions with loyalty over competence in mind?

Why hasn't the Republican party in general thrown any different stratgies for the war in Iraq? I find it shocking that throwing more bodies at a problem can even be CALLED a strategy...

In the end in these pass two terms I have lost respect for what everything the Republican party stands for.. They claim to be the party of morals and values, yet they call veterans who disagree with them cowards and unpatriotic.. How is it possible that some how they made Kerry a person who served in the Vietnam war a coward, traitor, snitch, murderer, and unpatriotic, and some how made bush a HERO when he couldn't even FINISH his training.. How the hell do these peoples have the balls calling the past Georgian senator having no knees and being unpatriotic, when none of these Republicans have ever served EVER.. While the Goergian senator (ALWAYS forget his name) lost a arm and two legs in the Vietnam war..

How can this party be so hawkish while at the same time smereing people who have actually been in the war that happen to have a difference of opinion..

That being said I am not saying Democrats are a beacon of light, but what I have seen is they are clearly the better chance.. And it shocks me that alot these peopel claim if the democrats get voted into office the country will go down hill... Wait a moment, isn't our country already going down hill?

We have violated numerous international laws, from balistics treaty, space programs treaty, numerous nuclear treaties, and geniva convention.

We have failed in our goals of stopping terrorism. The group that attacked us on 9/11 is still alive and larger then ever. We basically let go their main guy by pulling back troops for no for seeable reason.. We pre-empitvily attacked a country that did not provoke such a move.. We have created far more terrorism sense the Iraq War then before it... There were no WMD's we cost thousnads of soldiers lives, wounded uncountable amounts of soldirs as well as civilians over there.. Estimates have been pooring in of kill a huge amount of civilians both directly and indirectly in the War in IRaq..

Now there is nothing to do about it.. But this party in all its genious has yet to do anything other then throw bodies at a problem that has been getting greater every day.

It has caused our country billions of dollars, not to mention losing over 10 billion of HARD CURRENCY over there that could have very well fallen into terrorist hands..

We have committed diplomatic suicide. By first ignoring the UN, then calling countries such as France traitors and cowards for MERELY having a difference of opinion. We have done dumbass things such as refusing all foriegn aid for Katrina from numerous countries while spending massive amounts of money in trying to solve the problem.

The trickle down economic plan is not working, statistics have been showing the middle class is disolving where the poor become poorer and the rich become richer. Immigration has become a dieaster with the party looking from a business perspective rather then a government perspective in a issue that must be stopped. In the end regardless of the person I automatically look down on any one with the bias of owning massive CEO's or oil industries such as the one in office, whos to say their bias in decision making isn't lead on this motivation?

ShadowTheHHFan

That whole thing can be said about the Democrats as well.

Just face it. This Nation is screwed when it comes to agreements. Washington warned us about the issues of Political Parties yet we did it anyways. 

  The one sad similarity between the two parties is the fact they are both controled by large businesses through Lobbyists.. Lets face it people, in elections the people need immense amounts of cash just to compete.. And the only way to get this most of the time is through businesses that want their points/issues supported by their cannidates..

[QUOTE="ShadowTheHHFan"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

From what I have seen is the Democrats though they still have the "wimp" image that quite a few are too stupid to understand that it was created form a smear campaign, they seem to be the voice of reasoning when it comes to the two parties...

I was awed when first of all every Republican at the party debate said they had NOTHING to change or improve about America if they could, wtf? Are they clearly that ignorant that they believe the United STates is perfect? It also bothers me that 3 out of the 5 said they didn't believe in Evolution.. Normally I wouldn't care, but if they are this dismissive about one of the largest backed up Scientific ideas in the community, how can we trust them if they will ever take advice from the science community when it comes to multiple issues?

Why hasn't any of the Republican's at very least called out the Bush Organization on choosing unqualified canidates for important decisions with loyalty over competence in mind?

Why hasn't the Republican party in general thrown any different stratgies for the war in Iraq? I find it shocking that throwing more bodies at a problem can even be CALLED a strategy...

In the end in these pass two terms I have lost respect for what everything the Republican party stands for.. They claim to be the party of morals and values, yet they call veterans who disagree with them cowards and unpatriotic.. How is it possible that some how they made Kerry a person who served in the Vietnam war a coward, traitor, snitch, murderer, and unpatriotic, and some how made bush a HERO when he couldn't even FINISH his training.. How the hell do these peoples have the balls calling the past Georgian senator having no knees and being unpatriotic, when none of these Republicans have ever served EVER.. While the Goergian senator (ALWAYS forget his name) lost a arm and two legs in the Vietnam war..

How can this party be so hawkish while at the same time smereing people who have actually been in the war that happen to have a difference of opinion..

That being said I am not saying Democrats are a beacon of light, but what I have seen is they are clearly the better chance.. And it shocks me that alot these peopel claim if the democrats get voted into office the country will go down hill... Wait a moment, isn't our country already going down hill?

We have violated numerous international laws, from balistics treaty, space programs treaty, numerous nuclear treaties, and geniva convention.

We have failed in our goals of stopping terrorism. The group that attacked us on 9/11 is still alive and larger then ever. We basically let go their main guy by pulling back troops for no for seeable reason.. We pre-empitvily attacked a country that did not provoke such a move.. We have created far more terrorism sense the Iraq War then before it... There were no WMD's we cost thousnads of soldiers lives, wounded uncountable amounts of soldirs as well as civilians over there.. Estimates have been pooring in of kill a huge amount of civilians both directly and indirectly in the War in IRaq..

Now there is nothing to do about it.. But this party in all its genious has yet to do anything other then throw bodies at a problem that has been getting greater every day.

It has caused our country billions of dollars, not to mention losing over 10 billion of HARD CURRENCY over there that could have very well fallen into terrorist hands..

We have committed diplomatic suicide. By first ignoring the UN, then calling countries such as France traitors and cowards for MERELY having a difference of opinion. We have done dumbass things such as refusing all foriegn aid for Katrina from numerous countries while spending massive amounts of money in trying to solve the problem.

The trickle down economic plan is not working, statistics have been showing the middle class is disolving where the poor become poorer and the rich become richer. Immigration has become a dieaster with the party looking from a business perspective rather then a government perspective in a issue that must be stopped. In the end regardless of the person I automatically look down on any one with the bias of owning massive CEO's or oil industries such as the one in office, whos to say their bias in decision making isn't lead on this motivation?

sSubZerOo

That whole thing can be said about the Democrats as well.

Just face it. This Nation is screwed when it comes to agreements. Washington warned us about the issues of Political Parties yet we did it anyways.

The one sad similarity between the two parties is the fact they are both controled by large businesses through Lobbyists.. Lets face it people, in elections the people need immense amounts of cash just to compete.. And the only way to get this most of the time is through businesses that want their points/issues supported by their cannidates..

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

[QUOTE="ShadowTheHHFan"]At least we try. ShadowTheHHFan

Maybe we could try fixing America then.

As of 1865 the United States IS, rather than the United States ARE.  The federal government needs to be involved in helping social security, the enviroment, poverty, and so on.

Worse than Nixon? Really?nickmag

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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="mi6ops"]No question, yes worst EVER ....yes worse then Nixson .....in fact worse prez. that will EVER be past ,present or future not only a poor excuse for a president but a poor excuse for a human being regardless of race , religion, or nationality .Its an insult to ALL of us as a people and i mean everyone weather American ,Iranian N.korean,English, ETC  to refer to Bush as "human" .Truelly He is and will always remain a repelent disgusting monster (no offense to sub humans and mutants) such as the elephant man and others .jointed

You see, that's why the world questions the american competence....

That is why americans say the rest of the world is full of morons

You actually belive that don't you? I don't use this word much but I can safely say that you're ignorant, and should not be allowed to voice your opinion in public.

EU and Japan both have better living standards than america.....but I will not turn this into an America vs. World debate.

How much a country's currency is worth has nothing do to with how wealthy the country is.

Using EU in this arguement is completely valid, because you can't compare a country with 300 million inhabitants with a country like Germany (50 million), the comparision will fail in every aspect. Using EU statistics shows how the averange European lives.

Oh, and you should know that a country's "GDP per capita" can't be compared to other countries.

It simply shows how the averange person in that country lives, compared to richer and poorer classes in society.

Yeah but the diffrence lies in how much you can get for your money in  said country.

Americans are wealither but they also have to spend more to get the same stuff....

Look at ..let's say... Scandinavia they have one the highest GDP per capita in the world, but things cost more there than in Germany or France.

Instead of mentioning all the countries the that region I said Scandinavia, since they have almost the same statistics...

The averange income for an american is 43,000 dollars rougly and 46,000 for a Dane (swede, Norwegian).....this means nothing

China is a great example of how the "GDP per capita" fails...

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[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="mi6ops"]No question, yes worst EVER ....yes worse then Nixson .....in fact worse prez. that will EVER be past ,present or future not only a poor excuse for a president but a poor excuse for a human being regardless of race , religion, or nationality .Its an insult to ALL of us as a people and i mean everyone weather American ,Iranian N.korean,English, ETC to refer to Bush as "human" .Truelly He is and will always remain a repelent disgusting monster (no offense to sub humans and mutants) such as the elephant man and others .353535355353535

You see, that's why the world questions the american competence....

That is why americans say the rest of the world is full of morons

You actually belive that don't you? I don't use this word much but I can safely say that you're ignorant, and should not be allowed to voice your opinion in public.

EU and Japan both have better living standards than america.....but I will not turn this into an America vs. World debate.

How much a country's currency is worth has nothing do to with how wealthy the country is.

Using EU in this arguement is completely valid, because you can't compare a country with 300 million inhabitants with a country like Germany (50 million), the comparision will fail in every aspect. Using EU statistics shows how the averange European lives.

Oh, and you should know that a country's "GDP per capita" can't be compared to other countries.

It simply shows how the averange person in that country lives, compared to richer and poorer classes in society.

Yeah but the diffrence lies in how much you can get for your money in said country.

Americans are wealither but they also have to spend more to get the same stuff....

Look at ..let's say... Scandinavia they have one the highest GDP per capita in the world, but things cost more there than in Germany or France.

Instead of mentioning all the countries the that region I said Scandinavia, since they have almost the same statistics...

The averange income for an american is 43,000 dollars rougly and 46,000 for a Dane (swede, Norwegian).....this means nothing

China is a great example of how the "GDP per capita" fails...

Its weird how today the majority of people regard Abraham Lincoln as a great leader and president but in his own time he was scorned and hated. Maybe in a couple of decades if Iraq has a stable governmant and terrorism might be less of an issure, Bush might be a hero. Or maybe in a couple decades Iraq will be in shambles and WW3 could happen in the middle east, and terrorism is still a global problem, Bush might very well be the worst president. Either is possible.... which is more probable? I don't know.Hellraiser3899

Bush is certainly not the worst president, and you make the same point I was going to make about Abraham Lincoln (and it's a good one). The two are very similar. Kids these days just hear the media rag on Bush, and they see it as the cool thing and/or popular thing to do.

Bush is the worst president ever. Ah come on you all agree with me, right?peterom11

Bush>>Nixon 

[QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?EboyLOL

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did? 

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

353535355353535

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

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"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

jointed

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

also, the GDP per capita of the EU is roughly 30,000 USD, and in the US it is 43,000 USD

Bush is the worst president ever. Ah come on you all agree with me, right?peterom11

I'm afraid this is the worst president ever:

Of course, he's also my favorite...  

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"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

353535355353535

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

  Mmm well I think we ar egetting on the wrong foot.. We should try to emulate some of the great things about EU.. Like for instance in France they have arguably the best public health system of any industrialized nation out there. 

   A good point was made about the people of the US.. We are idiots when it comes to picking our canidates, while the people at france were voting for two members that the US wouldn't even dream of speaking of.. A woman who had 4 children out of wed lock, or a man that is basically seperated from his wife living a completely seperate life...  IN the US we would never dream of having such canidates because apparently rational thoughts, issues etc come last and a person private life in relationships and families, and religion come first.  Why must we keep asking the same old heated questions on Gay marriage, abortion, cloning, etc etc.. Issues that will never get done because of the immense heated debate there is about it, and focus on something that can be fixed.

  Thats what I have been feeling lately on the whole thing with our political system.. Why must presidents must give such a strong opinion on a family, when we SHOULDN'T care to begin with..  I did not pick this man/woman in the country because I would like to have a beer with them.. I picked them to run our nation including both politics, law, foriegn affair and military...

[QUOTE="RoyTheViking"]

Do Iraqis want us there?

[spoiler] Yes! The Iraqi President just asked for American Troops to stay there for another two years. [/spoiler]

SpaceMoose

If by "Iraqis," you mean "the majority of Iraqis" then no:

[spoiler]

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.

In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.

Washington Post

What is more credible... a poll done by a liberal newspaper or the president of Iraq? :roll:

My uncle was also in Bagdad, and he said that the civilians would run up to them and give them presents.  That doesn't seem to be like they want the US out. 

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"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

sSubZerOo

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

  Mmm well I think we ar egetting on the wrong foot.. We should try to emulate some of the great things about EU.. Like for instance in France they have arguably the best public health system of any industrialized nation out there. 

   A good point was made about the people of the US.. We are idiots when it comes to picking our canidates, while the people at france were voting for two members that the US wouldn't even dream of speaking of.. A woman who had 4 children out of wed lock, or a man that is basically seperated from his wife living a completely seperate life...  IN the US we would never dream of having such canidates because apparently rational thoughts, issues etc come last and a person private life in relationships and families, and religion come first.  Why must we keep asking the same old heated questions on Gay marriage, abortion, cloning, etc etc.. Issues that will never get done because of the immense heated debate there is about it, and focus on something that can be fixed.

  Thats what I have been feeling lately on the whole thing with our political system.. Why must presidents must give such a strong opinion on a family, when we SHOULDN'T care to begin with..  I did not pick this man/woman in the country because I would like to have a beer with them.. I picked them to run our nation including both politics, law, foriegn affair and military...

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"]

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

353535355353535

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

I don't know why you're dragging the Euro into the discussion...Economic influence has nothing to do with ones currency...It revolves around trade agreements and treites.

Ofcourse not, why would one go to war with a country that wants to break out of a union, if the majority of the people in that region wants it?

EDIT: Economic Influence revolves very much around ones currency but not in thís  context

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="RoyTheViking"]

Do Iraqis want us there?

[spoiler] Yes! The Iraqi President just asked for American Troops to stay there for another two years. [/spoiler]

helium_flash

If by "Iraqis," you mean "the majority of Iraqis" then no:

[spoiler]

BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers.

In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post.

Washington Post

What is more credible... a poll done by a liberal newspaper or the president of Iraq? :roll:

My uncle was also in Bagdad, and he said that the civilians would run up to them and give them presents.  That doesn't seem to be like they want the US out. 

  No offense but your gonna need more evidence then saying its "liberal" to discredit one of the older not to mention most credible paper instutitons around.  There is a reason that research papers in college as well as other organizations cite the washington post as a credible source..  Not to mention they have had similar articles on many other well known papers..

  Not taking sides, it just annoys the hell out of me when people say this about a very credible source, will you people only accept a articles from the 700 club?

[QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"]

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

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*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

I don't know why you're dragging the Euro into the discussion...Economic influence has nothing to do with ones currency...It revolves around trade agreements and treites.

Ofcourse not, why would one go to war with a country that wants to break out of a union, if the majority of the people in that region wants it?

  Well lets not forget that the United States is getting screwed on international trades.. There is very little taxs for imported goods from other countries, while these same countries tax OUR outported goods to their country... 

   This is partially why the Car companies are taking a beating int he United States..  Companies such as Toyata are able to sell their cars in the United States for a low cost, while American cars in other countries are taxed due to tariffs.  When the United States was debating on giving a tarrif for trade the main distrubator countries such as the Asian coast countries threatened to raise their tarrifs unreasonablly high.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"]

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

353535355353535

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

I don't know why you're dragging the Euro into the discussion...Economic influence has nothing to do with ones currency...It revolves around trade agreements and treites.

Ofcourse not, why would one go to war with a country that wants to break out of a union, if the majority of the people in that region wants it?

This just proves how foolish your way of thinking is....

So let's say New York seceded  from the US, instead of making valuable trading agreements to make of for the loss, you would bomb and destroy the city?

I know for a fact that normal yanks are way more competent than you when it comes to.......life

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="353535355353535"][QUOTE="jointed"]

"even if the wealth is unevenly distributed, the US is still the WEALTHIEST NATION THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. the US is still the MOST INFLUENTIAL nation this world has ever seen. Our military is still THE STRONGEST THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN."

 

Actually, the EU is wealthier than the US.....

Both of them are Unions, so it's completely fair to compare them when it comes to their economy.

353535355353535

*sigh*

EU has been turned into a supranational union.....You would understand if you acutally lived there........It means that the EUs economic influence is as great (if not greater) than americas...and this makes the US not the wealthiest state around...

anyway...what are you trying to accomplish with these foolish claims?

  Mmm well I think we ar egetting on the wrong foot.. We should try to emulate some of the great things about EU.. Like for instance in France they have arguably the best public health system of any industrialized nation out there. 

   A good point was made about the people of the US.. We are idiots when it comes to picking our canidates, while the people at france were voting for two members that the US wouldn't even dream of speaking of.. A woman who had 4 children out of wed lock, or a man that is basically seperated from his wife living a completely seperate life...  IN the US we would never dream of having such canidates because apparently rational thoughts, issues etc come last and a person private life in relationships and families, and religion come first.  Why must we keep asking the same old heated questions on Gay marriage, abortion, cloning, etc etc.. Issues that will never get done because of the immense heated debate there is about it, and focus on something that can be fixed.

  Thats what I have been feeling lately on the whole thing with our political system.. Why must presidents must give such a strong opinion on a family, when we SHOULDN'T care to begin with..  I did not pick this man/woman in the country because I would like to have a beer with them.. I picked them to run our nation including both politics, law, foriegn affair and military...

  Yeah I was not implying that, I was merely saying that why are we argueing over which one is better.. And try to improve our selves from the many things they have better in some of those countries.. Health Care being one of them.. Must we always argue about something that will really prove nothing and improve nothing as well?

What is more credible... a poll done by a liberal newspaper or the president of Iraq? :roll:

My uncle was also in Bagdad, and he said that the civilians would run up to them and give them presents. That doesn't seem to be like they want the US out.

helium_flash

I love how you ignore the State Department poll and just go after the "liberal newspaper" one.  Really though, I should have known better and only quoted the first paragraph.

And then you give me some anecdote about your uncle.  By that logic, I could say that if some people support Bush, that means the majority of people support Bush.

What is more credible... a poll done by a liberal newspaper or the president of Iraq?

helium_flash

Oh, and by the way, if the president of Iraq is anything like our president, then the answer is "a poll done by a liberal newspaper."  :lol: 

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?Nisstyre_56

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did? 

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?EboyLOL

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did?

Well, he did perpetuate an unwinnable war...remind you of anything? 

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?Nisstyre_56

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did?

Well, he did perpetuate an unwinnable war...remind you of anything? 

There have been prsidents twice as bad as Bush.StarFoxCOM

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?StarFoxCOM

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did?

Well, he did perpetuate an unwinnable war...remind you of anything?

He also helped instigate a bloody coup of a democratically elected government in Chile

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?Nisstyre_56

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did?

Well, he did perpetuate an unwinnable war...remind you of anything? 

[QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"][QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="Nisstyre_56"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="nickmag"]Worse than Nixon? Really?EboyLOL

:lol: you think that's the only bad thing he did?

Well, he did perpetuate an unwinnable war...remind you of anything?