California County Declares Secession from State

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/10/religious-family-abandons-us/2639835/

WhiteKnight77

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact. 

I don't understand, they don't want to pay an extra $150 in taxes to help combat fires in the area, but they are willing to suceed from the State of California, which means that all public roads, public schools, public transportation, court houses etc. would either need to be purchased from California, and/or maintained on the tax dollars of the county compared to the tax dollars of the state, thus increasing taxes higher than the $150. In addition, they would now need to either pay the State of California to assist in fire control or invest in more equipment to combat fires because the State of California would now be under no obligation to assist this county in fire control beyond the State's boarders, and the county would be under no right to receive assistance from California because they are not paying any State taxes to California. This whole idea is self-defeating.

I don't understand, they don't want to pay an extra $150 in taxes to help combat fires in the area, but they are willing to suceed from the State of California, which means that all public roads, public schools, public transportation, court houses etc. would either need to be purchased from California, and/or maintained on the tax dollars of the county compared to the tax dollars of the state, thus increasing taxes higher than the $150. In addition, they would now need to either pay the State of California to assist in fire control or invest in more equipment to combat fires because the State of California would now be under no obligation to assist this county in fire control beyond the State's boarders, and the county would be under no right to receive assistance from California because they are not paying any State taxes to California. This whole idea is self-defeating.

DarkGamer007

Good for them, if they think they can handle it.  

I'd love to see the city of Toronto, Ontario become it's own city state.  That way Ontario can get back to moving forward instead of being sucked into the whole that city dug itself.  Not to mention the amount of seats it has for a Provincial election which normally leaves the rest of the Province high and dry.

If the entire state got on board, the US might be a little concerned.  But some little hick country is no big deal.  Let them fail.

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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yeah. 45,000 out of a state of 38,000,000. That'll really put a dent in those electoral votes.

worlock77

One whole electoral vote? Crap. That's a game changer.

Why is the conservative reaction to succeed when they don't agree with things?

MakeMeaSammitch

Besides conservatives haven't threatened secession in large numbers.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] It would take away at least one though. Every state must have at least one congressman. Plus maybe some other counties will join them.

whipassmt

One whole electoral vote? Crap. That's a game changer.

Like I said - game changer.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"] It would take away at least one though. Every state must have at least one congressman. Plus maybe some other counties will join them.

whipassmt

One whole electoral vote? Crap. That's a game changer.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

One whole electoral vote? Crap. That's a game changer.

DaBrainz

[QUOTE="Lief_Ericson"]

Their county has 44,000 people, my city has 3000 more.

gamerguru100

Damn it... Was hoping it was a certain county in SoCal I live in. :cry::cry::cry:The-Apostle

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="Lief_Ericson"]

Their county has 44,000 people, my city has 3000 more.

Toph_Girl250

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/08/10/religious-family-abandons-us/2639835/

WhiteKnight77

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact. 

Hannah Gastonguay said her family was fed up with government control in the U.S. As Christians they don't believe in "abortion, homosexuality, in the state-controlled church," she said.

U.S. "churches aren't their own," Gastonguay said, suggesting that government regulation interfered with religious independence.

Among other differences, she said they had a problem with being "forced to pay these taxes that pay for abortions we don't agree with."

The Gastonguays weren't members of any church, and Hannah Gastonguay said their faith came from reading the Bible and through prayer.

"The Bible is pretty clear," she said.

But I'm sure they exercise perfect reason when voting for political candidates.

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]I wonder how he's going to spin this. *waits eagerly with popcorn*

Makhaidos

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact. 

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact. 

Makhaidos

Hannah Gastonguay said her family was fed up with government control in the U.S. As Christians they don't believe in "abortion, homosexuality, in the state-controlled church," she said.

U.S. "churches aren't their own," Gastonguay said, suggesting that government regulation interfered with religious independence.

Among other differences, she said they had a problem with being "forced to pay these taxes that pay for abortions we don't agree with."

The Gastonguays weren't members of any church, and Hannah Gastonguay said their faith came from reading the Bible and through prayer.

"The Bible is pretty clear," she said.

But I'm sure they exercise perfect reason when voting for political candidates.

Explain all the non-white christians here in the south.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact. 

WhiteKnight77

Hannah Gastonguay said her family was fed up with government control in the U.S. As Christians they don't believe in "abortion, homosexuality, in the state-controlled church," she said.

U.S. "churches aren't their own," Gastonguay said, suggesting that government regulation interfered with religious independence.

Among other differences, she said they had a problem with being "forced to pay these taxes that pay for abortions we don't agree with."

The Gastonguays weren't members of any church, and Hannah Gastonguay said their faith came from reading the Bible and through prayer.

"The Bible is pretty clear," she said.

But I'm sure they exercise perfect reason when voting for political candidates.

Explain all the non-white christians here in the south.

pfft..good job wasting time, money and energy~

drives me nuts when politicians do stuff they know full well wont go anywhere~

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Yeah, because moderates and left-wingers are totally notorious for their hatred of gays and the persecution of Christianity in America. :|

 

Hannah Gastonguay said her family was fed up with government control in the U.S. As Christians they don't believe in "abortion, homosexuality, in the state-controlled church," she said.

U.S. "churches aren't their own," Gastonguay said, suggesting that government regulation interfered with religious independence.

Among other differences, she said they had a problem with being "forced to pay these taxes that pay for abortions we don't agree with."

The Gastonguays weren't members of any church, and Hannah Gastonguay said their faith came from reading the Bible and through prayer.

"The Bible is pretty clear," she said.

But I'm sure they exercise perfect reason when voting for political candidates.

Makhaidos

Explain all the non-white christians here in the south.

pfft..good job wasting time, money and energy~

 

drives me nuts when politicians do stuff they know full well wont go anywhere~

GamingTitan

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Explain all the non-white christians here in the south.

gamerguru100

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] Black southerners are some of the most Christian people on the planet. :Pgamerguru100

In that case, UNICORNS!

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Yes, but I never said a word about race in my initial post, so I don't see the relevance here. :?Makhaidos

In that case, UNICORNS!

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] Black southerners are some of the most Christian people on the planet. :Pdave123321

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

They ought to be forced back in. Succession? What is this the 1800s?

Makhaidos

They're breaking away from the State of California, not ascending to the Throne.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

[QUOTE="outworld222"]

They ought to be forced back in. Succession? What is this the 1800s?

lordreaven

They're breaking away from the State of California, not ascending to the Throne.

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]Black southerners are some of the most Christian people on the planet. :PMakhaidos

Did you not say this?

Remember those ultra-right-wingers who left the U.S. for stupid reasons and then got lost at sea and nearly died? Yeah, this is gonna turn out a similar way.Makhaidos

You might not have said one thing about race, but it is implied due to who you are talking about. The others are right. Blacks here in the south, who tend to be very liberal are just as religious if not more as those you are referring to who had troubles at sea.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"][QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

They're breaking away from the State of California, not ascending to the Throne.

Makhaidos

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"] Yes, but I never said a word about race in my initial post, so I don't see the relevance here. :?WhiteKnight77

Did you not say this?

Remember those ultra-right-wingers who left the U.S. for stupid reasons and then got lost at sea and nearly died? Yeah, this is gonna turn out a similar way.Makhaidos

You might not have said one thing about race, but it is implied due to who you are talking about. The others are right. Blacks here in the south, who tend to be very liberal are just as religious if not more as those you are referring to who had troubles at sea.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="lordreaven"] Thanks for ruining a magical moment.lordreaven

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]Damn it... Was hoping it was a certain county in SoCal I live in. :cry::cry::cry:whipassmt

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

You might not have said one thing about race, but it is implied due to who you are talking about. The others are right. Blacks here in the south, who tend to be very liberal are just as religious if not more as those you are referring to who had troubles at sea.

Makhaidos

The point is, how do you know that those religious folks who left on the boat were ultra-right wingers? That was your claim. They very well could be left leaning and upset at how the government is going. 

As for relevence, I will just leave this here: The Growing Black Voice against Abortion.

Relevant http://www.gallup.com/poll/124649/religious-intensity-remains-powerful-predictor-politics.aspxdave123321

There is one chart that is very telling. 

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

You might not have said one thing about race, but it is implied due to who you are talking about. The others are right. Blacks here in the south, who tend to be very liberal are just as religious if not more as those you are referring to who had troubles at sea.

WhiteKnight77

The point is, how do you know that those religious folks who left on the boat were ultra-right wingers? That was your claim. They very well could be left leaning and upset at how the government is going. 

As for relevence, I will just leave this here: The Growing Black Voice against Abortion.

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Nowhere in that article does it state political affiliation if any. Suggesting that they are right wing extremists is speculation and not based on fact.

gamerguru100

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians#Current_situation_.281989_to_present.29

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] Are they also obsessed with gay marriage, taxes, government interference, and abortion? My post pointed out right-wingers, not religious people or black people. If black religious people tend to be liberal, then they aren't under that umbrella. See what I mean about relevance yet?

Makhaidos

The point is, how do you know that those religious folks who left on the boat were ultra-right wingers? That was your claim. They very well could be left leaning and upset at how the government is going.

As for relevence, I will just leave this here: The Growing Black Voice against Abortion.

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]Damn it... Was hoping it was a certain county in SoCal I live in. :cry::cry::cry:The-Apostle

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The point is, how do you know that those religious folks who left on the boat were ultra-right wingers? That was your claim. They very well could be left leaning and upset at how the government is going.

As for relevence, I will just leave this here: The Growing Black Voice against Abortion.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] So, liberal, but against everything that makes one liberal? How do you figure they counteract the cognitive dissonance?Makhaidos

A county of 45,000 who's only economy is a bit of tourism? Yeah, good luck surviving when you're no longer privy to tax revenues from Los Angeles and San Francisco.

worlock77

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] There are liberals who oppose abortion and/or same-sex marriage. Obama used to oppose gay marriage, Sharpton used to oppose abortion.

whipassmt

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

[QUOTE="Makhaidos"] There are quite a few people who would argue that neither of those men were (or still are) liberal. Makhaidos

Relevant http://www.gallup.com/poll/124649/religious-intensity-remains-powerful-predictor-politics.aspxdave123321

Why are these people seen as crazy or whatever other name you can think of because they don't agree with anything their state is doing, and want to break off and join forces with other like-minded counties and form their own state?

What's crazy about that?