California sends bill to allow illegal immigrants to practice law to governor

If you are an illegal immigrant, you shouldnt be allowed to get a job. No exceptions should be made. I understand the plight of some of these people but if you keep making exceptions to the law, you have no law at all. He is considered an ILLEGAL immigrant for a reason, he is in the country illegally, hence, outside of the law.

PS: I have nothing against illegal immigrants, and I empathize and understand why many move to the states illegally, but they should never forget they are disobeying the laws and cant expect to get special treatment.

That makes total sense. Instead of making immigration an easier process as well as opening up most jobs to them, just make it where illegal immigrants can become lawyers.

Stuff like this coming from the land of fruits and nuts is no longer surprising. This bill is a serious WTF deal.

Better idea:  make it easier for certain people to become legal?  If a guy works his way all the way through law school, I'm thinking to myself "yeah, that guy can probably contribute to society."

Better idea:  make it easier for certain people to become legal?  If a guy works his way all the way through law school, I'm thinking to myself "yeah, that guy can probably contribute to society."

Oleg_Huzwog

If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

California is **** bonkers.  I wonder if New York is gonna sit there and allow Cali to upstage them?

I love my state, but this is stupid as hell lol.

And how the hell are you smart enough and financially sound enough to make your way through law school, yet you don't get citizenship or realize you can't practice law until you do.

Cart before the horse much?...

Veto this shit cuz its stupid, and say as much.  THat way you can avoid racism allegations.

Works his way through law school yet disregards the law? Sounds like a beauty! Solaryellow

If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

sonicare

Not that easy. My mom got an Accounting degree here, worked 20 years (under a work visa) got married, and still couldn't get her citizenship papers. If you don't know the right people its like hitting the lotto.

If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

sonicare

You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving 

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If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

Diablo-B

You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving 

If California allows illegal/undocumented immigrants to practice law, my guess is that they would only be able to do so in California state courts and county courts. If an illegal immigrant attorney was involved in a case before a federal court in California then that could potentially risk the outcome of the case as the Federal Court may rule that he can't be the lawyer in that case. Although the Federal Appeals Court with jurisdiction over California (the 9th circuit court) is reputed to be the most liberal appeals court in the nation, and also the most frequently overturned (which is probably related to it being the most liberal).

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If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

Diablo-B

You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving

You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving Diablo-B

Next step, these lawyers pass bill for voting rights.magicalclick

[QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving Solaryellow

[QUOTE="Solaryellow"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving Allicrombie

So glad I'm not Californian. Such an embarrassment of a state.

You'd have to be a raging liberal to live in that state and enjoy it. Honestly, if someone can make it through law school they could probably find a way to become a citizen.

Better idea:  make it easier for certain people to become legal?  If a guy works his way all the way through law school, I'm thinking to myself "yeah, that guy can probably contribute to society."

Oleg_Huzwog

yup.

then again, i live in canada. illegal immigration isn't exactly an issue that concerns me (yet).

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Better idea:  make it easier for certain people to become legal?  If a guy works his way all the way through law school, I'm thinking to myself "yeah, that guy can probably contribute to society."

Jimn_tonic

yup.

then again, i live in canada. illegal immigration isn't exactly an issue that concerns me (yet).

Very careful attention should be paid to the last line in the article (though I'm guessing most commenting here didn't even bother to clink on, let alone read, the article -

"His father filed a petition seeking an immigrant visa for Garcia in 1995. Garcia is still waiting to receive the visa, which would allow him to seek permanent residency and ultimately citizenship."

[QUOTE="Solaryellow"][QUOTE="Diablo-B"]You guys must think getting your citizenship is like getting your drivers license. Stand on line, pay a fee, be a citizen. There is a yearly quota that they have for how many people they approve. As you can guess the quota is much less then those trying to get it and the system isnt very good at identifying who is most deserving Allicrombie

Canadian Barbarians, and Mexican Mongols

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Better idea:  make it easier for certain people to become legal?  If a guy works his way all the way through law school, I'm thinking to myself "yeah, that guy can probably contribute to society."

Jimn_tonic

yup.

then again, i live in canada. illegal immigration isn't exactly an issue that concerns me (yet).

id also like to point out that canada also shares a border with france though the island of st pierre is hardly something i would worry about XD

Why specifically allow them to practice law? Just for this one case? Are there more resident aliens educated to be lawyers who can't work -- enough that would allow a law like this to make a real difference?

Why not just make it legal to work here without a green card or a visa? If that encroaches on Federal prohibitions, I doubt it wouldn't still in the case of receiving payments for practicing law.

if you have a law degree but are not clever enough to get your citizenship status changed who would want you anyway?

lets hope the san andreas fault in California wipes that liberal cesspool out soon

Why specifically allow them to practice law? Just for this one case? Are there more resident aliens educated to be lawyers who can't work -- enough that would allow a law like this to make a real difference?

Why not just make it legal to work here without a green card or a visa? If that encroaches on Federal prohibitions, I doubt it wouldn't still in the case of receiving payments for practicing law.

m0zart

It doesn't. The article's title, as usual, is misleading.

California has a law that prohibits spending federal money on illegal immigrants. The state courts have determined that that includes professional licensing from the state (i.e. lawyer licensing, clinical licensecing, medical, etc). This guy's lawyer is fighting to say that the law is too vague and limiting licensing is an overreach of the intent of the law.

Its not a bill to allow *just* lawyers, but all state professional licensing.

California has a law that prohibits spending federal money on illegal immigrants. The state courts have determined that that includes professional licensing from the state (i.e. lawyer licensing, clinical licensecing, medical, etc). This guy's lawyer is fighting to say that the law is too vague and limiting licensing is an overreach of the intent of the law.

Its not a bill to allow *just* lawyers, but all state professional licensing.XaosII

That certainly makes more sense.

As an open-borders person, it sounds like a very positive change to me.

If this guy spent all the time going through law school, why didnt he just get his citizenship, too?

sonicare

I want latino illegal immigrants to have some rights, but california just gets crazy with these laws.

if you have a law degree but are not clever enough to get your citizenship status changed who would want you anyway?

Riverwolf007

According to the article the guy's still waiting on a visa he applied for in motherf*cking 1995.

lets hope the san andreas fault in California wipes that liberal cesspool out soon

Flubbbs

Why do you wish death upon tens of millions of people who have done nothing to you apart from maybe disagreeing with you politically?

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if you have a law degree but are not clever enough to get your citizenship status changed who would want you anyway?

worlock77

According to the article the guy's still waiting on a visa he applied for in motherf*cking 1995.

That may be true, but there is some missing information from the looks of things. The article states he moved back to Mexico with his family and then came back with his Dad. Now, was the kid originally born in Mexico to begin with and an illegal immigrant the first time he was in the states, or was he born in the states? US immigration laws do allow for family members to get visas on a fast track, or so I have heard, but if he is here illegally, then he might have to return to Mexico before his visa is granted.

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[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

if you have a law degree but are not clever enough to get your citizenship status changed who would want you anyway?

WhiteKnight77

According to the article the guy's still waiting on a visa he applied for in motherf*cking 1995.

That may be true, but there is some missing information from the looks of things. The article states he moved back to Mexico with his family and then came back with his Dad. Now, was the kid originally born in Mexico to begin with and an illegal immigrant the first time he was in the states, or was he born in the states? US immigration laws do allow for family members to get visas on a fast track, or so I have heard, but if he is here illegally, then he might have to return to Mexico before his visa is granted.

Well if he was born in the United States then there would be no issue here. But anyway, none of this is quite relevant to the point I was making in response to Riverwolf. The man is, apparently, clever enough to work towards getting his status changed but he's the unfortunate victim of bureaucratic ineptitude here it seems.