I just love that quote :D
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color." Don Hirschberg
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A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."Yays
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.jts31689
Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)LJS9502_basic
Religon is believing in a god. Atheism is not:| "Group"? they don't go to church.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)Boring_Bland
Religon is believing in a god. Atheism is not:| "Group"? they don't go to church.
Nope. Religion does not need a God. For some sports are a religion.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)Boring_Bland
Religon is believing in a god. Atheism is not:| "Group"? they don't go to church.
Wait, all christians have to attend church?
Religions have 3 requirements to be met:
1. Creed.
2. Code.
3. Cult.
I don't see how Atheism or Agnosticism adhere to any of those.
Atrus
A religion is a shared set of beliefs. Period. Atheism is a shared set of beliefs. Fits.
[QUOTE="jts31689"]A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."Yaysjts wins! Super happy fun time party nao!
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.Bourbons3
A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.jts31689
haha nice.
[QUOTE="Atrus"]Religions have 3 requirements to be met:
1. Creed.
2. Code.
3. Cult.
I don't see how Atheism or Agnosticism adhere to any of those.
LJS9502_basic
A religion is a shared set of beliefs. Period. Atheism is a shared set of beliefs. Fits.
the only shared belief between atheists is that there is no god. i don't really think that qualifies enough to be considered a religion.[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)CottonTheMoth
Religon is believing in a god. Atheism is not:| "Group"? they don't go to church.
Wait, all christians have to attend church?
To be a good christian you should. Thats what everyone tells me
the only shared belief between atheists is that there is no god. i don't really think that qualifies enough to be considered a religion.dooly420
It's a shared belief....it is what it is.
A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.jts31689
Save for the fact that atheism isn't an institution, nor is there a set of common practices or beliefs that could be ****fied as ritual, prayer, or religious law. Hell, the only common belief in atheism is that deities do not exist. Its still possible for a person to be spiritual and be an atheist. Atheism is a doctrine, not a religion.
[QUOTE="dooly420"]the only shared belief between atheists is that there is no god. i don't really think that qualifies enough to be considered a religion.LJS9502_basic
It's a shared belief....it is what it is.
but you said a "shared set." one common belief isn't multiple common beliefs. by you're own words, atheism is not a religion.A religion is a shared set of beliefs. Period. Atheism is a shared set of beliefs. Fits.
LJS9502_basic
Incorrect. The definition I gave is one taught in Religion as a subject, but I know learning things doesn't quite jive with some people.
Atheism is no more a religion than Theism is, they are both statements regarding the existence or lack thereof of a subject known as 'God'. Each statement is further defined by subset definitions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. for Theism and Atheism encompasses beliefs in Buddhism, various philosophical ideologies, Spiritual Animism, or even the beliefs of Realians which simply interchange 'God' with Aliens.
The basis of holding a Creed, Code, and Cult is why various Eastern philosophies are viewed as religions even though they do not accept or acknowledge the existence of a 'God' or 'Gods'.
It only 'fits' because you are trying to reconcile your preconceptions by subverting reality.
[QUOTE="jts31689"]A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.gameguy6700
Save for the fact that atheism isn't an institution, nor is there a set of common practices or beliefs that could be ****fied as ritual, prayer, or religious law. Hell, the only common belief in atheism is that deities do not exist. Its still possible for a person to be spiritual and be an atheist. Atheism is a doctrine, not a religion.
It's an instititution now. Not when it started but it is now. It's shared beliefs....a shared way of looking at the world. And if you've spent any time in OT you'd see a shared idealogy in the religion threads. No way it's individual any more. Religion doesn't need a diety to be a religiion.;)
I and my friends worship my mum..do we have a religion???1337street
[QUOTE="Atrus"]Religions have 3 requirements to be met:
1. Creed.
2. Code.
3. Cult.
I don't see how Atheism or Agnosticism adhere to any of those.
LJS9502_basic
A religion is a shared set of beliefs. Period. Atheism is a shared set of beliefs. Fits.
Not really. You don't have a belief in Atheism. You don't decleare "I am an Atheist" and start following an Atheist code or creed or cult.
[QUOTE="1337street"]I and my friends worship my mum..do we have a religion???Big_player
Awwww dang it! :(
[QUOTE="Boring_Bland"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)LJS9502_basic
Religon is believing in a god. Atheism is not:| "Group"? they don't go to church.
Nope. Religion does not need a God. For some sports are a religion.
lol, nice argument.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]A religion is a shared set of beliefs. Period. Atheism is a shared set of beliefs. Fits.
Atrus
Incorrect. The definition I gave is one taught in Religion as a subject, but I know learningthings doesn't quite jive with some people.
Atheism is no more a religion than Theism is, they are both statements regarding the existence or lack thereof of a subject known as 'God'. Each statement is further defined by subset definitions such as Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc. for Theism and Atheism encompasses beliefs in Buddhism, various philosophical ideologies, Spiritual Animism, or even the beliefs of Realians which simply interchange 'God' with Aliens.
The basis of holding a Creed, Code, and Cult is why various Eastern philosophies are viewed as religions even though they do not accept or acknowledge the existence of a 'God' or 'Gods'.
It only 'fits' because you are trying to reconcile your preconceptions by subverting reality.
That depends on the definition. There are many different interpretations of the definition. Not all include a God or a deity.And some fit quite well with both atheism and agnosticism....
Religioustolerance.org/rel_defn.htm includes both as part...and shows various interpretations....which belie the fact that atheism cannot fit into "religion".
Won't let me copy the web address...nonetheless there are definitions there which don't "fit" your interpretation.
One definition in the Miriam Webster dictionary simply states...
A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
Describes the faith atheists place in science knowing the answers well.....
Not really. You don't have a belief in Atheism. You don't decleare "I am an Atheist" and start following an Atheist code or creed or cult.
Guiltfeeder566
Are you saying atheists DON'T have a belief in how the universe was created? How the universe functions?
Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)LJS9502_basicDoes that I mean I share a religion with all those who believe Queen are great? The video game religion too?:|
Sharing beliefs within a group does not equal being in a religion with them.
The only thing athiests have in common is that they believe there is no god. Calling this a "religion" is rediculous, by that standard everyone who thoiught that the color blue was the best color of all, and that greenday was the best band would all be a religion. It takes more than a single common belief to be a religion, there is no establishment, or organization with athiesm, therefor it is not a religion.
And "going to church" is not required for a Christian, as church does not define only a place of worship, but a community of people. The church is everyone within that christian community.
By what you guys are saying about athiesm being a religion, we are all part of hundreds of religions without our knowing. I'm pretty sure theres a lot of people that think milky ways are awesome, but seriously, a religion? get a grip.
The only thing athiests have in common is that they believe there is no god. Calling this a "religion" is rediculous, by that standard everyone who thoiught that the color blue was the best color of all, and that greenday was the best band would all be a religion. It takes more than a single common belief to be a religion, there is no establishment, or organization with athiesm, therefor it is not a religion.
And "going to church" is not required for a Christian, as church does not define only a place of worship, but a community of people. The church is everyone within that christian community.
By what you guys are saying about athiesm being a religion, we are all part of hundreds of religions without our knowing. I'm pretty sure theres a lot of people that think milky ways are awesome, but seriously, a religion? get a grip.
[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="jts31689"]A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.LJS9502_basic
Save for the fact that atheism isn't an institution, nor is there a set of common practices or beliefs that could be ****fied as ritual, prayer, or religious law. Hell, the only common belief in atheism is that deities do not exist. Its still possible for a person to be spiritual and be an atheist. Atheism is a doctrine, not a religion.
It's an instititution now. Not when it started but it is now. It's shared beliefs....a shared way of looking at the world. And if you've spent any time in OT you'd see a shared idealogy in the religion threads. No way it's individual any more. Religion doesn't need a diety to be a religiion.;)
Its not an institution because the only common belief is that there is no god(s). That's it. There are atheists who still believe in an afterlife, there are atheists who believe in spirits, and there are hardcore atheists who say that all paranormal beliefs are false. That's hardly uniformity. Furthermore atheism is completely descentralized. There's no central authority, writings, laws, rules, or anything to govern atheists. Its a doctrine, not a religion. To make this clear:
Doctrine (n):
Atheism (n):
Religion (n):
Institution (n):
So let's put that all together (ignoring the fact that the word "doctrine" is in the definition of atheism since that makes things too easy):
Does atheism fit the definition of institution? No. Atheism is not a custom, it is not a practice, it certainly isn't a relationship, it isn't a behavioral pattern, and assuming it was it still wouldn't meet the requirement of importance in the life of a community or society (since there is no community of atheists). Atheism also isn't an organization or foundation.
Atheism does, however, fit the defintion of a doctrine.
Furthermore, if we used your definition of institution/religion then McDonald's, the US government, and Star Wars are religions.
Does that I mean I share a religion with all those who believe Queen are great? The video game religion too?:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)ShuLordLiuPei
Sharing beliefs within a group does not equal being in a religion with them.
Worshipping Queen can, in fact, be a religion.
Wtf you don't teach atheism, you don't go to atheist church, there's no holy atheist book, atheist dont have faith in something...
It's just like theism isn't a religion, but the beliefs that do have these things are. Again, wtf. It just means that person believes there is no god.
Are you telling me that a group of people who believe that cookies are delicious also have just made a religion?
And "when atheism started", umm... Do I even need to explain that?:roll:
[QUOTE="ShuLordLiuPei"]Does that I mean I share a religion with all those who believe Queen are great? The video game religion too?:|[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Religion is a set of shared beliefs....so if a group believes the same...it's a religion.;)LJS9502_basic
Sharing beliefs within a group does not equal being in a religion with them.
Worshipping Queen can, in fact, be a religion.
he said believeing the queen is great, not worshiping. theres a difference.
If you have to change peoples words to make yourself seem right, chances are you are wrong.
[QUOTE="Guiltfeeder566"]Not really. You don't have a belief in Atheism. You don't decleare "I am an Atheist" and start following an Atheist code or creed or cult.
LJS9502_basic
Are you saying atheists DON'T have a belief in how the universe was created? How the universe functions?
Most of everyone in the world has an opinion on how the universe came about.But atheists as a whole group do not. Even if 99% of atheists believed a certain way, that does not mean they are part of a set belief system.
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