Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]k? and he's most definately not saying that the Big Bang theory created it either. He doesn't believe either... I really don't know how to put this any more bluntly. He cares when stupid, idiotic conservatives berate him for his beliefs as he is surrounded by them in his own classroom (attributing to his lack of belief in God), and he doesn't show any support for science... if you were to give him a piece of paper stating that he believes science answers all questions, he WOULD NOT SIGN IT.LJS9502_basic

I didn't ask which scientific theory he backed. I said he wouldn't believe a god created the world. Is this hard to understand?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm waiting for the anwer to the question I asked you. It's nota stereotype. There are two ways the world was created. Natural or supernatural. An atheist DOES NOT believe in the supernatural or by definition they are not atheist. Now how is that a stereotype....hmmmm?

gameguy6700

False. Various schools of Hinduism deny the existence of Gods yet still claim a supernatural origin of the universe and a spiritual aspect of the universe as well. You're putting your own preconceived notions of what is in place of reality. Atheism is a simple statement for which you've appended all sorts of nonsense to make your justifications seem correct.

Like I've mentioned before, you're avoiding the issue that Atheism encompasses a wide range of belief systems as well but is not in itself a religion.

Atheism.....a lack of belief in a god/gods. What is wide range about that?

I'm not justifying anything. It is a shared belief. A natural creation is a shared belief. And since NO atheist would believe in a supernatural creation...natural it is. Where is the discrepancy?

There are atheists that believe in the supernatural. This is what we've been trying to tell you for the past 100 posts. Atheism is only the disbelief in deities. It is not the disbelief in everything supernatural (that would be naturalism). Hence the reason Buddhists are commonly classified as atheist, along with any other religion that doesn't believe in a god.

By supernatural vis a vis world creation...it's God/gods.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]k? and he's most definately not saying that the Big Bang theory created it either. He doesn't believe either... I really don't know how to put this any more bluntly. He cares when stupid, idiotic conservatives berate him for his beliefs as he is surrounded by them in his own classroom (attributing to his lack of belief in God), and he doesn't show any support for science... if you were to give him a piece of paper stating that he believes science answers all questions, he WOULD NOT SIGN IT.EboyLOL

I didn't ask which scientific theory he backed. I said he wouldn't believe a god created the world. Is this hard to understand?

Uh...there is NO third way.:|

Atheism.....a lack of belief in a god/gods. What is wide range about that?

I'm not justifying anything. It is a shared belief. A natural creation is a shared belief. And since NO atheist would believe in a supernatural creation...natural it is. Where is the discrepancy?

LJS9502_basic

Because it places Realians, various Hindu's, Buddhists, Secular Ideologues, Spiritual Animists at various other beliefs/religions into one religion.

Your belief that Atheism is a religion is silly and has no relevence in the real world and you've shown that by cowardly avoiding the problems that you cannot counter.

1. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs aside from the statement that God does not exist.

2. Atheists encompass a wide range of beliefs and ideologies.

3. Atheists are denied religious status when it comes to benefits or exemptions by the state.

4. Religions require a Creed, Code, and Cult all of which Athiesm since its a statement, lacks.

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]Again, this is an assumption. The universe wasn't necessary created solely by physics, I have no clue. I am an atheist, thus you are contradicted and your argument is rendered invalid.
LJS9502_basic

Do you understand the difference between natural vs supernatural? *sigh*

I gave no elaboration beyond the two generic words.....if you are atheist...you don't believe God/gods created the universe. That leaves you with natural means.:|

According to the courts.... I am correct.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Atheism.....a lack of belief in a god/gods. What is wide range about that?

I'm not justifying anything. It is a shared belief. A natural creation is a shared belief. And since NO atheist would believe in a supernatural creation...natural it is. Where is the discrepancy?

Atrus

Because it places Realians, various Hindu's, Buddhists, Secular Ideologues, Spiritual Animists at various other beliefs/religions into one religion.

Your belief that Atheism is a religion is silly and has no relevence in the real world and you've shown that by cowardly avoiding the problems that you cannot counter.

1. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs aside from the statement that God does not exist.

2. Atheists encompass a wide range of beliefs and ideologies.

3. Atheists are denied religious status when it comes to benefits or exemptions by the state.

4. Religions require a Creed, Code, and Cult all of which Athiesm since its a statement, lacks.

According to the courts.... I am correct.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]k? and he's most definately not saying that the Big Bang theory created it either. He doesn't believe either... I really don't know how to put this any more bluntly. He cares when stupid, idiotic conservatives berate him for his beliefs as he is surrounded by them in his own classroom (attributing to his lack of belief in God), and he doesn't show any support for science... if you were to give him a piece of paper stating that he believes science answers all questions, he WOULD NOT SIGN IT.LJS9502_basic

I didn't ask which scientific theory he backed. I said he wouldn't believe a god created the world. Is this hard to understand?

Uh...there is NO third way.:|

By supernatural vis a vis world creation...it's God/gods.

LJS9502_basic

That's demented. You could say you don't know or it could be a little of both. There, there's four options.
quiglythegreat

A little bit of both....means you're not atheist. Not knowing means you're haven't a clue....but there is still only two options.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

By supernatural vis a vis world creation...it's God/gods.

quiglythegreat

What do you think supernatural means? Non natural.:| In regard to creation those are the two disciplines accepted.

I notice you avoided my link. Wonder why.....

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That's demented. You could say you don't know or it could be a little of both. There, there's four options.
LJS9502_basic

A little bit of both....means you're not atheist. Not knowing means you're haven't a clue....but there is still only two options.

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]k? and he's most definately not saying that the Big Bang theory created it either. He doesn't believe either... I really don't know how to put this any more bluntly. He cares when stupid, idiotic conservatives berate him for his beliefs as he is surrounded by them in his own classroom (attributing to his lack of belief in God), and he doesn't show any support for science... if you were to give him a piece of paper stating that he believes science answers all questions, he WOULD NOT SIGN IT.LJS9502_basic

I didn't ask which scientific theory he backed. I said he wouldn't believe a god created the world. Is this hard to understand?

Uh...there is NO third way.:|

You cannot say everyone who believes in a god is a christian, there are many different variations on "God" Just like you cant say all athiests believe that the universe wasent created by god, becausethere are many ways the universe could have been created scientificly. Don'y make things appear to be black and white when they are obviously not.

Eboy is also right here, just because someone doesnt believe one thing it doesnt mean they believe another thing.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="quiglythegreat"]That's demented. You could say you don't know or it could be a little of both. There, there's four options.
quiglythegreat

A little bit of both....means you're not atheist. Not knowing means you're haven't a clue....but there is still only two options.

Proof that the world always was please....

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="EboyLOL"]k? and he's most definately not saying that the Big Bang theory created it either. He doesn't believe either... I really don't know how to put this any more bluntly. He cares when stupid, idiotic conservatives berate him for his beliefs as he is surrounded by them in his own classroom (attributing to his lack of belief in God), and he doesn't show any support for science... if you were to give him a piece of paper stating that he believes science answers all questions, he WOULD NOT SIGN IT.LJS9502_basic

I didn't ask which scientific theory he backed. I said he wouldn't believe a god created the world. Is this hard to understand?

Uh...there is NO third way.:|

[QUOTE="Atrus_basic"]

Because it places Realians, various Hindu's, Buddhists, Secular Ideologues, Spiritual Animists at various other beliefs/religions into one religion.

Your belief that Atheism is a religion is silly and has no relevence in the real world and you've shown that by cowardly avoiding the problems that you cannot counter.

1. Atheists do not have a common set of beliefs aside from the statement that God does not exist.

2. Atheists encompass a wide range of beliefs and ideologies.

3. Atheists are denied religious status when it comes to benefits or exemptions by the state.

4. Religions require a Creed, Code, and Cult all of which Athiesm since its a statement, lacks.

LJS9502_basic

According to the courts.... I am correct.

Again you show your cowardice by avoiding the talking points and not even reading it. The court ruling is to establish equity in terms of 1st amendment rights, it does not establish Atheism as a religion as shown from the lack of rights Atheists have in getting benefits or exemptions given to all other recognized religions.

Answer the talking points and stop shamefully running away from them.

You cannot say everyone who believes in a god is a christian, there are many different variations on "God" Just like you cant say all athiests believe that the universe wasent created by god, becausethere are many ways the universe could have been created scientificly. Don'y make things appear to be black and white when they are obviously not.

Eboy is also right here, just because someone doesnt believe one thing it doesnt mean they believe another thing.

Happyphilter

Where did I say everyone who believes in a god was Christian. I've been very careful to say God/gods the entire time. Please read my posts before responding. K thanx..

Eboy won't answer the question because it proves him wrong...he's dancing around it.

[QUOTE="gameguy6700"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Atrus"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I'm waiting for the anwer to the question I asked you. It's nota stereotype. There are two ways the world was created. Natural or supernatural. An atheist DOES NOT believe in the supernatural or by definition they are not atheist. Now how is that a stereotype....hmmmm?

LJS9502_basic

False. Various schools of Hinduism deny the existence of Gods yet still claim a supernatural origin of the universe and a spiritual aspect of the universe as well. You're putting your own preconceived notions of what is in place of reality. Atheism is a simple statement for which you've appended all sorts of nonsense to make your justifications seem correct.

Like I've mentioned before, you're avoiding the issue that Atheism encompasses a wide range of belief systems as well but is not in itself a religion.

Atheism.....a lack of belief in a god/gods. What is wide range about that?

I'm not justifying anything. It is a shared belief. A natural creation is a shared belief. And since NO atheist would believe in a supernatural creation...natural it is. Where is the discrepancy?

There are atheists that believe in the supernatural. This is what we've been trying to tell you for the past 100 posts. Atheism is only the disbelief in deities. It is not the disbelief in everything supernatural (that would be naturalism). Hence the reason Buddhists are commonly classified as atheist, along with any other religion that doesn't believe in a god.

By supernatural vis a vis world creation...it's God/gods.

Dude, how long is it going to take to get you to understand this? Atheism does not deal with creation!

Furthermore, it is possible to have supernatural creation without a god. Go look up Jainism.

[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

You cannot say everyone who believes in a god is a christian, there are many different variations on "God" Just like you cant say all athiests believe that the universe wasent created by god, becausethere are many ways the universe could have been created scientificly. Don'y make things appear to be black and white when they are obviously not.

Eboy is also right here, just because someone doesnt believe one thing it doesnt mean they believe another thing.

LJS9502_basic

Where did I say everyone who believes in a god was Christian. I've been very careful to say God/gods the entire time. Please read my posts before responding. K thanx..

Eboy won't answer the question because it proves him wrong...he's dancing around it.

Kind of like how you keep ignoring all the posts that completely prove you wrong?

Again you show your cowardice by avoiding the talking points and not even reading it. The court ruling is to establish equity in terms of 1st amendment rights, it does not establish Atheism as a religion as shown from the lack of rights Atheists have in getting benefits or exemptions given to all other recognized religions.

Answer the talking points and stop shamefully running away from them.

Atrus

Law of the Land...court rules atheism a religion. /thread.

But for the record......I gave you a page full of definitions of religion....many of which prove your defintion wrong. You didn't address them...and you dismissed a court ruling atheism a religion because it didn't fit your agenda. I've proven my case. You haven't.

Now unless you can come up with a different discussion...this one is decided.

[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

You cannot say everyone who believes in a god is a christian, there are many different variations on "God" Just like you cant say all athiests believe that the universe wasent created by god, becausethere are many ways the universe could have been created scientificly. Don'y make things appear to be black and white when they are obviously not.

Eboy is also right here, just because someone doesnt believe one thing it doesnt mean they believe another thing.

LJS9502_basic

Where did I say everyone who believes in a god was Christian. I've been very careful to say God/gods the entire time. Please read my posts before responding. K thanx..

Eboy won't answer the question because it proves him wrong...he's dancing around it.

I never said you did, but the implication and assumption that all people who do not believe in a god must be athiest is on par with saying all people who do believe in a god are christian. Do you get what im saying yet? Iv'e said ti before and if you would read my posts you would understand. You are putting people into "supernatural" and "unsupernatural" groups and stating all those who do not believe in the supernatural must be athiest and therefore believe in the natural creation of the universe.

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Kind of like how you keep ignoring all the posts that completely prove you wrong?

gameguy6700

No one has done that....they've only taken a narrow definition and fit it to their agenda because they are afraid of the word religion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

You cannot say everyone who believes in a god is a christian, there are many different variations on "God" Just like you cant say all athiests believe that the universe wasent created by god, becausethere are many ways the universe could have been created scientificly. Don'y make things appear to be black and white when they are obviously not.

Eboy is also right here, just because someone doesnt believe one thing it doesnt mean they believe another thing.

gameguy6700

Where did I say everyone who believes in a god was Christian. I've been very careful to say God/gods the entire time. Please read my posts before responding. K thanx..

Eboy won't answer the question because it proves him wrong...he's dancing around it.

Kind of like how you keep ignoring all the posts that completely prove you wrong?

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

Again you show your cowardice by avoiding the talking points and not even reading it. The court ruling is to establish equity in terms of 1st amendment rights, it does not establish Atheism as a religion as shown from the lack of rights Atheists have in getting benefits or exemptions given to all other recognized religions.

Answer the talking points and stop shamefully running away from them.

LJS9502_basic

Law of the Land...court rules atheism a religion. /thread.

But for the record......I gave you a page full of definitions of religion....many of which prove your defintion wrong. You didn't address them...and you dismissed a court ruling atheism a religion because it didn't fit your agenda. I've proven my case. You haven't.

Now unless you can come up with a different discussion...this one is decided.

I never said you did, but the implication and assumption that all people who do not believe in a god must be athiest is on par with saying all people who do believe in a god are christian. Do you get what im saying yet? Iv'e said ti before and if you would read my posts you would understand. You are putting people into "supernatural" and "unsupernatural" groups and stating all those who do not believe in the supernatural must be athiest and therefore believe in the natural creation of the universe.

Happyphilter

Um...no it's not. Atheist is the term for one who doesn't believe in a diety. Look it up sometime. Supernatural creation means created by a deity of some kind.....not a natural creation. Dude seriously....:|

[QUOTE="Atrus"]

Again you show your cowardice by avoiding the talking points and not even reading it. The court ruling is to establish equity in terms of 1st amendment rights, it does not establish Atheism as a religion as shown from the lack of rights Atheists have in getting benefits or exemptions given to all other recognized religions.

Answer the talking points and stop shamefully running away from them.

LJS9502_basic

Law of the Land...court rules atheism a religion. /thread.

But for the record......I gave you a page full of definitions of religion....many of which prove your defintion wrong. You didn't address them...and you dismissed a court ruling atheism a religion because it didn't fit your agenda. I've proven my case. You haven't.

Now unless you can come up with a different discussion...this one is decided.

That case establishes that he had first amendment rights and could study what he chose. If it was ruled a religion then where are the government benefits to established religions? yeah, there are none because its not a religion.

Read the case again, it says "Like a religion" meaning he wasent given his first amendment rights to practiced what he wanted.

So guess what you just did again. You tried to change the meaning of another persons words to make yourself seem right. Lose the ego, you aren't right.

Law of the Land...court rules atheism a religion. /thread.

But for the record......I gave you a page full of definitions of religion....many of which prove your defintion wrong. You didn't address them...and you dismissed a court ruling atheism a religion because it didn't fit your agenda. I've proven my case. You haven't.

Now unless you can come up with a different discussion...this one is decided.

LJS9502_basic

Again like a coward you avoid the talking points I presented. If Atheism is a religion as declared by 'the law of the land' then why do Atheists lack the same rights given to other religions? You've shown in the past to shamefully run away from the argument, so how many times will I need to ask you to address the talking points?

You've run away from arguments before with your tail between your legs. I've asked you no less than 8 times for a systematic and reliable method for which to interpret the bible by that does not subscribe to special pleading, and you've ducked that too like a mindless religious zealot uninterested in discourse.

Answer the talking points!

[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

I never said you did, but the implication and assumption that all people who do not believe in a god must be athiest is on par with saying all people who do believe in a god are christian. Do you get what im saying yet? Iv'e said ti before and if you would read my posts you would understand. You are putting people into "supernatural" and "unsupernatural" groups and stating all those who do not believe in the supernatural must be athiest and therefore believe in the natural creation of the universe.

LJS9502_basic

Um...no it's not. Atheist is the term for one who doesn't believe in a diety. Look it up sometime. Supernatural creation means created by a deity of some kind.....not a natural creation. Dude seriously....:|

There are religions who dont believe a diety created the world. look it up now.

There also many forms of 'natural' creation

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Law of the Land...court rules atheism a religion. /thread.

But for the record......I gave you a page full of definitions of religion....many of which prove your defintion wrong. You didn't address them...and you dismissed a court ruling atheism a religion because it didn't fit your agenda. I've proven my case. You haven't.

Now unless you can come up with a different discussion...this one is decided.

Atrus

Again like a coward you avoid the talking points I presented. If Atheism is a religion as declared by 'the law of the land' then why do Atheists lack the same rights given to other religions? You've shown in the past to shamefully run away from the argument, so how many times will I need to ask you to address the talking points?

You've run away from arguments before with your tail between your legs. I've asked you no less than 8 times for a systematic and reliable method for which to interpret the bible by that does not subscribe to special pleading, and you've ducked that too like a mindless religious zealot uninterested in discourse.

Answer the talking points!

I've already proven my case. Talking points? You mean YOUR definition of religion? Did you even look at that link I gave you with other definitions? NO....so who was running from the argument from the start. I've backed myself up with links. You have not.

You always win the arguments LJ :P
Proobie44

On the contrary, he keeps running away from them.

[QUOTE="Proobie44"]You always win the arguments LJ :P
Atrus

On the contrary, he keeps running away from them.

lol politicians win electiosn that way so I can see why he thinks that

There are religions who dont believe a diety created the world. look it up now.

There also many forms of 'natural' creation

Happyphilter

By your definition religion involves a diety. Can't be a religion without one....by YOUR definition.

I've already proven my case. Talking points? You mean YOUR definition of religion? Did you even look at that link I gave you with other definitions? NO....so who was running from the argument from the start. I've backed myself up with links. You have not.

LJS9502_basic

No you haven't, you've shown that a prisoner has the 1st amendment right to teach Secular Humanism as a religion. It does not establish Atheism as a religion precisely for the talking points you are too gutless to address.

This is the third time I'm requesting you counter the talking points, and each time I ask it grows clearer that you are unable to do so. You've shown yourself to be a coward when faced with things you cannot counter, is this another sign of cowardice? Will you keep on running?

Answer the points raised!

[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

There are religions who dont believe a diety created the world. look it up now.

There also many forms of 'natural' creation

LJS9502_basic

By your definition religion involves a diety. Can't be a religion without one....by YOUR definition.

I never said a religion cannot exist without a diety, but the major religions all believe in such, and we were on the topic of such. look back a few pages, I had said it once before.

A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.jts31689

We have rituals and practices???

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I've already proven my case. Talking points? You mean YOUR definition of religion? Did you even look at that link I gave you with other definitions? NO....so who was running from the argument from the start. I've backed myself up with links. You have not.

Atrus

No you haven't, you've shown that a prisoner has the 1st amendment right to teach Secular Humanism as a religion. It does not establish Atheism as a religion precisely for the talking points you are too gutless to address.

This is the third time I'm requesting you counter the talking points, and each time I ask it grows clearer that you are unable to do so. You've shown yourself to be a coward when faced with things you cannot counter, is this another sign of cowardice? Will you keep on running?

Answer the points raised!

He ignored me on the subject as well.

[QUOTE="jts31689"]A religion is "a social institution that includes a set of common beliefs and practices generally helnd by a group of people often codified as rayer, ritual and religious law."
I love that quote too, and how atheism fits that definition as well.THE_DRUGGIE

We have rituals and practices???

yeah all those crazy things you athiests do with goat heads and virgins blood, I read it all on the internet.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

I've already proven my case. Talking points? You mean YOUR definition of religion? Did you even look at that link I gave you with other definitions? NO....so who was running from the argument from the start. I've backed myself up with links. You have not.

Atrus

No you haven't, you've shown that a prisoner has the 1st amendment right to teach Secular Humanism as a religion. It does not establish Atheism as a religion precisely for the talking points you are too gutless to address.

This is the third time I'm requesting you counter the talking points, and each time I ask it grows clearer that you are unable to do so. You've shown yourself to be a coward when faced with things you cannot counter, is this another sign of cowardice? Will you keep on running?

Answer the points raised!

The article stated the courts said his rights were violataed because he could not practice HIS RELIGION...ATHEISM. Period. They found atheism to be a religion. You can argue...you can dance around it...but in the end I've PROVEN MY CASE. There isn't anything else to say. Your talking points were discussed earlier. I said IT DEPENDS on your definition. There are just as many definitions that DO NOT use that criteria as a standard.

He ignored me on the subject as well.

Happyphilter

I basically starting ignoring you when you started insulting me.So whateversubject you posted....I didn't see it.

As for Atrus...I've addressed that issue several times. He doesn't respond to what I post...he just recites the same thing over and over and over. Seems he's running from other definitions and sticking solely with one.

lol politicians win electiosn that way so I can see why he thinks that

Happyphilter

The good thing with his mindless zealotry is that its exactly his kind of stupidity that creates Atheists and Apostates in the first place. I believe it was St. Augustine of Hippo that said Christians had to be careful not to appear as fools because nobody could adopt a religion when its followers come off as foolish.

He called it disgraceful and ruinous to Christianity. To the heretic, it's nothing but comedy.

[QUOTE="Happyphilter"]

lol politicians win electiosn that way so I can see why he thinks that

Atrus

The good thing with his mindless zealotry is that its exactly his kind of stupidity that creates Atheists and Apostates in the first place. I believe it was St. Augustine of Hippo that said Christians had to be careful not to appear as fools because nobody could adopt a religion when its followers come off as foolish.

He called it disgraceful and ruinous to Christianity. To the heretic, it's nothing but comedy.

Courts rule atheism a religion. I wouldn't be calling me a fool since I'm the only one in this thread that proved their side....you know...instead of the opinions everyone else is posting.

The article stated the courts said his rights were violataed because he could not practice HIS RELIGION...ATHEISM. Period. They found atheism to be a religion. You can argue...you can dance around it...but in the end I've PROVEN MY CASE. There isn't anything else to say. Your talking points were discussed earlier. I said IT DEPENDS on your definition. There are just as many definitions that DO NOT use that criteria as a standard.

LJS9502_basic

This makes you 4 times the coward by avoiding the talking points. It is not dependant on the definition when Atheists are denied by law the same rights as recognized religions. It is not dependant on definition when academic courses present religions as containing Creed, Code and Cult.

Somehow you believe some Hindus, Buddhists, Raelians, spiritual animists, secular ideologues are of the same religion. Atheism. You also believe that some Hindu's, Christians and Pagans are of the same religion. Theism.

You've failed to provide any definition for Atheism that accords it as a system of beliefs. In fact, most of your attempts to do so are flat out wrong but like the coward. you avoided addressing those.

Answer them.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

The article stated the courts said his rights were violataed because he could not practice HIS RELIGION...ATHEISM. Period. They found atheism to be a religion. You can argue...you can dance around it...but in the end I've PROVEN MY CASE. There isn't anything else to say. Your talking points were discussed earlier. I said IT DEPENDS on your definition. There are just as many definitions that DO NOT use that criteria as a standard.

Atrus

This makes you 4 times the coward by avoiding the talking points. It is not dependant on the definition when Atheists are denied by law the same rights as recognized religions. It is not dependant on definition when academic courses present religions as containing Creed, Code and Cult.

Somehow you believe some Hindus, Buddhists, Raelians, spiritual animists, secular ideologues are of the same religion. Atheism. You also believe that some Hindu's, Christians and Pagans are of the same religion. Theism.

You've failed to provide any definition for Atheism that accords it as a system of beliefs. In fact, most of your attempts to do so are flat out wrong but like the coward. you avoided addressing those.

Answer them.

I never said they had the same religion...you did. I addressed that before as well. I addressed the system of beliefs for atheists as well. Do you skip posts?

Again...the courts agree with me.:)

Courts rule atheism a religion. I wouldn't be calling me a fool since I'm the only one in this thread that proved their side....you know...instead of the opinions everyone else is posting.

LJS9502_basic

Secular Humanism in that one case to establish 1st amendment rights. You avoided addressing why if Atheism is a religion that they are not granted the religious benefits and exemptions? Since you've run away from answering the talking points, then you are a fool.

Even you deep down have to realize you are actively doing everything you can to avoid addressing those points. You have made points that were incorrect but you have no shame, which is no surprise given your recent history of abandoning reasonable arguments for vapid and mindless points backed up only by your own opinion.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Courts rule atheism a religion. I wouldn't be calling me a fool since I'm the only one in this thread that proved their side....you know...instead of the opinions everyone else is posting.

Atrus

Secular Humanism in that one case to establish 1st amendment rights. You avoided addressing why if Atheism is a religion that they are not granted the religious benefits and exemptions? Since you've run away from answering the talking points, then you are a fool.

Even you deep down have to realize you are actively doing everything you can to avoid addressing those points. You have made points that were incorrect but you have no shame, which is no surprise given your recent history of abandoning reasonable arguments for vapid and mindless points backed up only by your own opinion.

Sorry my man...but I addressed those points more than once and several pages back. I don't feel like doing that again. You read the article? The courts said they had to let him practice his religion...atheism.

I never said they had the same religion...you did. I addressed that before as well. I addressed the system of beliefs for atheists as well. Do you skip posts?

Again...the courts agree with me.:)

LJS9502_basic

Five times the coward now. :lol:

You didn't address anything because you failed to answer the statements that dispute your ideas. For instance, the Atheistic Hindus that believe in the supernatural. Almost all of your stereotypical viewpoints have been shot down but you won't address them under the belief that if you don't address them, the don't exist.

Well they do exist, and your continual avoidance of them and the talking points just show how you are nothing more than a mindless teenager who believes more than he has learned. I want a point by point refutation not some idiotic attempt in your mind at having done so.

This is the last time I'll ask you to answer the talking points until you actually answer them, if not this will be another argument you will have lost by virtue of running away from anything you cannot address.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"]

Does not compute. "Religion" is not a religion.

LJS9502_basic

I left it open for your choice...

Well then I'm sure you don't need me to explain to you how Christianity (for example)encompasses a set of beliefs.

Because you can't?

People can't be saved by good works alone, and Jesus died on the cross for our sins.

There, that's two beliefs of a religion.

Now, you know damn well that this differs from atheism, as this is a basis for Christian rules. Now, I'm not gonna sit around listing the beliefs of different religions while you already know what I'm telling you. I just listed a set of beliefs, and I'm done unless you're going somewhere with this.