Can gay be "cured" through rational thinking?

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#1 lamprey263
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the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me so
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#2 Inconsistancy
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"Natural order"? Then explain hermaphroditic, parthenogenic, and aesexual species. And go ahead and explain why bonobos are so commonly bisexual while you're at it.

Different sexualities than male + female are perfectly natural.

the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me solamprey263

This too.

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#3 KungfuKitten
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How is hereosexual rational? >__>
I have obtained several fetishes by understanding them.
I have never 'unobtained' fetishes. I'm not sure that it is possible.
Maybe through hypnosis you can 'cure' homosexual desires but I'm not sure.

It's probably easier to make a homosexual obtain bisexual feelings than 'curing' them of homosexuality.

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#5 JustBeYourself
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We're gonna need some pretty advanced knowledge of neural engineering to change someone's sexuality in my opinion. Sexual orientation is a NATURAL thing. Also it's only wrong if you base your beliefs on a 2000+ year old book, at which point you've lost my respect already.
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#6 Mithrandir50
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 Hey MetalDog, care to comment on these threads?

These are yours, btw, if you can't remember.

Do we still need religion?

Kind of a weird thing to say, for a supposed Christian, as you claim now...

but there is more...

I just can't find a reason to believe in God.  

I must say this is quite odd.  Why have you had a complete reversal in religious views?

Could it be you are a... gasp... t...r...o...l...l?

 

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#7 MetalDogGear
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I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

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I don't think homosexuals are irrational....

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"]Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life? Mithrandir50
because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.

And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.
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#10 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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No but your stupidity can
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the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me solamprey263
Well said.

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the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me solamprey263
Don't go throwing Christians under the bus!!! Not all of us are intolerant, fire and brimstone verse quoting lunatics. Most of us don't care how others live their lives. The bible tells me it is wrong but I support gay marriage. I'd appreciate it if you didn't stereotype me.
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Straight can be turned to gay too... ya know
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me soMetalDogGear
Don't go throwing Christians under the bus!!! Not all of us are intolerant, fire and brimstone verse quoting lunatics. Most of us don't care how others live their lives. The bible tells me it is wrong but I support gay marriage. I'd appreciate it if you didn't stereotype me.

Most people that support gay rights are intolerant of other bigots and Christians. Shameful really.
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Even if you apply a rationality it doesn't change the underlying sexuality or predisposition of a person. Does this seriously need pointing out? It should be common-sense to most people based on their own broad life experiences, not something that needs pointing out on a forum.
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Even if you apply a rationality it doesn't change the underlying sexuality or predisposition of a person. Does this seriously need pointing out? It should be common-sense to most people based on their own broad life experiences, not something that needs pointing out on a forum.Articuno76
Exactly. This is not something that can be rationalised. It can only be beaten out.
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#17 Celldrax
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'He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.'

After giving it some rational thought of my own...

[spoiler] He's an idiot.

Just replace the word 'homosexuality' with 'sexual attraction' in that sentence, and there's the reason why.

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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]the sin is someone saying who they can and cannot love, the irrationality is saying to live this way because some old book tells me soSolidSnake35
Don't go throwing Christians under the bus!!! Not all of us are intolerant, fire and brimstone verse quoting lunatics. Most of us don't care how others live their lives. The bible tells me it is wrong but I support gay marriage. I'd appreciate it if you didn't stereotype me.

Most people that support gay rights are intolerant of other bigots and Christians. Shameful really.

intolerant towards bigots? Are you serious? That's pretty stupid. Next you'll be claiming the law is discriminating against murderers. Most people who support gay rights don't hate Christians. A large portion of them a heavily in favour of religious freedom.
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#19 drinkerofjuice
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You and your friend are both idiots.
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IF thats what a person likes let them be. Do you pay their bills? live with them? sleep in their bed? NO? You have no say so in a person life
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No.

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Homosexuality can't be cured, how can you cure something that is natural? Your friend's stupidity can be cured though with a good clout around the head with either a hand or any blunt weapon heavy enough to rattle his brain enough to hopefully 'cure' him of such ignorance.
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#23 DJ-Lafleur
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Why does homosexaulity need to be "cured" and what does one's sexuality have to do one's rationality?

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I don't think it could be cured however I do believe its a disorder to begin with.
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#25 Mithrandir50
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I don't think it could be cured however I do believe its a disorder to begin with.Murderstyle75
You are dumb as shit
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#26 Kats_RK
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I don't think it could be cured however I do believe its a disorder to begin with.Murderstyle75

 

How the hell is it a disorder?

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This is absurd. It is not a disorder, there is plenty of gay stuff going on in nature... and most importantly there is no reason to follow what the bible says since there is no reason to believe it is written by some sort of.
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[QUOTE="BenedictArnold7"]This is absurd. It is not a disorder, there is plenty of gay stuff going on in nature... and most importantly there is no reason to follow what the bible says since there is no reason to believe it is written by some sort of. Murderstyle75
But now of course disorders never happen in nature. That's only a human trait. Right? I guess if homosexuality is natural, so is beastality since animals also screw other species. Pedophelia would be natural as well. Animals also rape and eat their own young. Sorry if I don't buy into your 21st century politically correct agenda. But just like Christianity, homosexuals shove off everything that's not part of their own agenda like its the only thing that means something. .

Because homosexuality and pedophila are the same thing, amirite?
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="BenedictArnold7"]This is absurd. It is not a disorder, there is plenty of gay stuff going on in nature... and most importantly there is no reason to follow what the bible says since there is no reason to believe it is written by some sort of. Ninja-Hippo
But now of course disorders never happen in nature. That's only a human trait. Right? I guess if homosexuality is natural, so is beastality since animals also screw other species. Pedophelia would be natural as well. Animals also rape and eat their own young. Sorry if I don't buy into your 21st century politically correct agenda. But just like Christianity, homosexuals shove off everything that's not part of their own agenda like its the only thing that means something. .

Because homosexuality and pedophila are the same thing, amirite?

Will if people want to try and use the nature arguement, they are in every way except for a human moral standpoint.
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Straight can be turned to gay too... ya knowhippiesanta
Well, I say you can play for both teams even if you started out playing for one side.
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No but your stupidity cantoast_burner
I'm afraid that's incurable. ya can't fix stupid
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[QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"] But now of course disorders never happen in nature. That's only a human trait. Right? I guess if homosexuality is natural, so is beastality since animals also screw other species. Pedophelia would be natural as well. Animals also rape and eat their own young. Sorry if I don't buy into your 21st century politically correct agenda. But just like Christianity, homosexuals shove off everything that's not part of their own agenda like its the only thing that means something. .

Because homosexuality and pedophila are the same thing, amirite?

Will if people want to try and use the nature arguement, they are in every way except for a human moral standpoint.

Heart transplants aren't natural. Computers aren't natural. Vaccines aren't natural Just because something is natural or unnatural, doesn't mean that you can lump them into the same boat Pedophilia is morally wrong Beastiality is morally wrong Homosexuality requires consent, therefore it is morally right. And before you go on a trounce on morals and where they come from They don't come from the bible, they come from mankind. So yes, we do get to say what is right and what is not, based on how it hurts others.
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it is a curse, just like normal sexual tones. it is a youthful phrenzy that impures the mind from real thought, if you stop wanking and having sex you too could start feeling what the decadent new agist call 'aura'. the angels open the spirits to the pure of mind and body, and lust is the seed of all sins. nothing wrong w/ loving fellow men or fellow women regardless of your gender or sex, but the lbgt is consumerist maya trash to make the homosexual souls impure.
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"] Because homosexuality and pedophila are the same thing, amirite?

Will if people want to try and use the nature arguement, they are in every way except for a human moral standpoint.

Heart transplants aren't natural. Computers aren't natural. Vaccines aren't natural Just because something is natural or unnatural, doesn't mean that you can lump them into the same boat Pedophilia is morally wrong Beastiality is morally wrong Homosexuality requires consent, therefore it is morally right. And before you go on a trounce on morals and where they come from They don't come from the bible, they come from mankind. So yes, we do get to say what is right and what is not, based on how it hurts others.

So when do morals dictate nature? If you can't except all of it, nature cannot be used in a homosexual arguement. Picking and choosing makes you no different than Christians.
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Why do people still respond to this guys threads?
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#36 Laihendi
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I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

MetalDogGear
You obviously are not aware of rational homosexuality.
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#37 Rich3232
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Using the "natural" argument in either direction is fvckign stupid.
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#38 Rich3232
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Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life?
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I was having a debate with my friend on the nature of homosexuality.

 

I said that it was probably a natural thing, but still a sin. He proposes that homosexuality can be cured through thinking rationally.

 

For instance: One assumes that they are a male or female. They see that males mate with females and so on. They conclude it is the natural order. Therefore they must become part of that natural order.

 

MetalDogGear
You have made probably one of the worst threads in history.
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Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life? Rich3232
because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.
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#41 Squeets
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Came in expecting Lai.

See MetalDogGear instead.

Surprised white people weren't accused of something in OP.

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i honestly think TC is trolling.

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[QUOTE="Rich3232"]Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life? Mithrandir50
because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.

Good thing they're starting to become the minority.
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It's true that saying it's natural is too vague. Nonetheless, saying it is natural is relevant because people don't chose to be that way. It is not something people decide to annoy intolerant people. Also it is something that is natural that doesn't really cause a real problem to straight people. These things combined are enough.
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#46 MetalDogGear
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 Hey MetalDog, care to comment on these threads?

These are yours, btw, if you can't remember.

Do we still need religion?

Kind of a weird thing to say, for a supposed Christian, as you claim now...

but there is more...

I just can't find a reason to believe in God.  

I must say this is quite odd.  Why have you had a complete reversal in religious views?

Could it be you are a... gasp... t...r...o...l...l?

 

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I have changed my ways I am no longer an atheist or "Bright" I am a born again christian
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life? Murderstyle75
because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.

And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.

I know right? How dare those gays try to express themselves like human beings. It's almost as bad as that whole civil rights thing.
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]Also, even if homosexuality can be "cured", why the fvck does that matter? How does anyone's sexual orientation make a damn difference on your life? Murderstyle75
because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.

And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.

:roll:  Oh noes.. They have a gay character on a show with a caste of dozens of characters, it's the gay agenda!  I am more concerned with the Prostitute agenda my self, you see how many prostitutes are in these shows?

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That's the least rational argument I've ever heard. You can't pretend to make a rational argument if you ignore facts and evidence.
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Murderstyle75"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] because the bible and stuff bro. I wonder if gaybashers realize that the shrimp they just ate makes them equivalents to gays, according to the bible. And if they have any tattoos, that's just as bad as being gay, according to the bible.

And not everybody who doesn't care about or for gay agenda is even biblical. I personally wouldn't care if only it hasn't plagued our media the way it has. Its almost like its "cool" to be gay these days. Its almost as bad as the wannabe gangsta fashion trend from the early 90's. the real funny thing is, I know quite a few now "straight" females who have had at least one lesbian experience. I think we have MTV, reality television and the Porn industry to blame for that one. Even in television shows. They seem to have to push at least one gay character. Its especially apparent on HBO and Showtime. Game of Thrones included.

I know right? How dare those gays try to express themselves like human beings. It's almost as bad as that whole civil rights thing.

Gay Rights and Media Trends are not even the same thing just as the droves of 1990's white suburban gangstas who idolized Rap music and fashion trends did not in any way represent black civil rights. But since Snooki and Deena dyke out on The Jersey Shore, its cool for straight people to act gay. Do you really think all those white kids really want to be black now as adults? Its not like anybody pushed for trans-racial surgeries.