Capital Punishment/Death Penalty

I am making this thread because i need to gather statisics for reaserch on the number of people who support and oppose diffent views on this subject. I have posted this on another site and have yet to get conclusive results. But on to the question do you oppose/support the death penalty and why and for what crimes. I myself and a Christian (even though God cannot be falsified by scietific means i still believe there is one and i believe it is the Abramic God) BUT i do not support the death penalty because Jesus said "if any man smite thee on thy right cheek turneth him also the other ,and if thine enemy sue the at the court and taketh your cloak give him also your tunic ,and if thine enemy compel thee to go a mile go with him twain". A conundrum with many fundementalist Christians is that in Genesis it says to kill any man that kills another man, and yet they oppose the same Old Testemant teaching that says divorce is acceptable. Thats why i hate being marked as a Christian because most of them only follow the rules that they want to (Paul and the Old Testament namely).

I strongly support the death penalty, especially for those guilty of murder or rape.

Because?

Capital punishment, as it should be, should only be for people that commit murder. Nothing else.

Alright side note: you have to state why your believe your beliefs

I support using life as an end as a punishment for using life as an end. That means for anyone guilty of murder, they should be killed. My only problem is that the courts could have an erroneous verdict and it would be much better to sentence fifty murders to life in prison than one innocent man to death. Otherwise else, I have no moral problem with capital punishment.Genetic_Code

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I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.Dr_Snood

I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.Dr_Snood

So... to you the cost of a mans life is not worth the price of his sustinance

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.Dr_Snood

So murder and rape to you warrant the same punishment? Taking everything away from someone is murder. possibly taking their viginity and possibly their peace of mind is rape.

[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.sonichunter99

So... to you the cost of a mans life is not worth the price of his sustinance

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[QUOTE="Dr_Snood"]I support the death penalty. I do not understand why people are sentenced to life in prison for crimes such as murder and rape. Keeping someone in prison for life costs the government more money then it is worth. Our prisons are too packed as it is and for some crimes I feel the only true punishment is death. If you purposely go and murder someone for whatever reason I feel that you should pay the same price your victim did.Dr_Snood

So... to you the cost of a mans life is not worth the price of his sustinance

So... murdering someone makes one a second class human? and therefore unfit to live ?

In support. For those who murder, either by direct hand or by manipulation, outside of self defense. Also for repeat pedophiles. Because this is our world, our times, and our lives. If the entire world suddenly went to the same mentality of those who murder, then what do you think would happen? Heaven and Hell, proverbially, are supposed to have rules as to who gets to be there no? Why not earth? CreasianDevaili

Why pedophiles? why not necrophiles? or rapists?

I am completely against the death penalty in places where a competent prison system is in effect and a justice system that works objectively to prove guilt. It is an ethically bankrupt practice because no human being has the right to determine whether another lives or dies, regardless of any crime they committed. It is merely state-sanctioned revenge that does nothing but bring the illusion of "closure" to the victim's family and propagates the illusion of "deterrent" despite the statistics proving otherwise. It also is costlier than life-long imprisonment and does nothing to benefit the prisoner. I am a staunch proponent of all, or most violent crime being linked to mental illness, which according to the current laws would make those criminals unfit to stand trial. I do not propose that they are not responsible for their choices, but that they weren't necessarily in complete control of themselves, or had a predisposition to these actions/thoughts with no way of knowing they were wrong. I do believe that punishment is not the answer... because most prisons these days are just training facilities for better criminals. Rehabilitation and the re-introduction to society as a positive and productive member should play a leading role in our justice system world-wide. Nothing can reverse a crime, so I don't know why people want the justice system to reflect that desire in how it treats the convicted.foxhound_fox

i agrree with this man. he seems to have things straight...for the most part. no doubt there are mentally ill murderers but i disagree that the majority are mentally ill. if i said i was controlled by alcohol when i murdered someone i would be laughed at but if i was a schizophenic (incorrect spelling) i would get off with manslaughter at worst. mental illness is not always an excuse.

Anti for two reasons.

1. The system is often wrong. You can't bring back a dead man and mistakenly executing a single innocent person is a price society should never accept.

2. IMO, life in prison is far more punishment than execution. Execution is a high degree of anxiety for a relatively short period of time. Life in prison is decades of reflection with no way of escapingyour thoughts and/or circumstance.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]In support. For those who murder, either by direct hand or by manipulation, outside of self defense. Also for repeat pedophiles. Because this is our world, our times, and our lives. If the entire world suddenly went to the same mentality of those who murder, then what do you think would happen? Heaven and Hell, proverbially, are supposed to have rules as to who gets to be there no? Why not earth? sonichunter99

Why pedophiles? why not necrophiles? or rapists?

It doesn't have a purpose.

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]In support. For those who murder, either by direct hand or by manipulation, outside of self defense. Also for repeat pedophiles. Because this is our world, our times, and our lives. If the entire world suddenly went to the same mentality of those who murder, then what do you think would happen? Heaven and Hell, proverbially, are supposed to have rules as to who gets to be there no? Why not earth? CreasianDevaili

Why pedophiles? why not necrophiles? or rapists?

just asking a question

It doesn't have a purpose.

Barbariser

Ok... care to elaborate on that a little Mr. Existentialist

if crime is worthy of capital punishment like terrorism, countless murders, kidnapping, rape etc. such sick people should die and should have no remorse for it.

if crime is worthy of capital punishment like terrorism, countless murders, kidnapping, rape etc. such sick people should die and should have no remorse for it.

Sandulf29

Again... killing ,never mind the amount, makes you a second class human? therefore unfit to live?

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"][QUOTE="sonichunter99"]

Why pedophiles? why not necrophiles? or rapists?

just asking a question

i agrree with this man. he seems to have things straight...for the most part. no doubt there are mentally ill murderers but i disagree that the majority are mentally ill. if i said i was controlled by alcohol when i murdered someone i would be laughed at but if i was a schizophenic (incorrect spelling) i would get off with manslaughter at worst. mental illness is not always an excuse.sonichunter99

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[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"] I said repeat pedophiles. Also, and just to be blunt, I do care more if a small child is raped compared to a grown woman or man. Not saying they deserve it if grown, just not the same severity in my mind. Something just disturbs me on the notion that those children would not understand what is happening while they are being raped and, it seems many times, killed by the sheer force and pressure of the act itself of a full grown person on a small child. Also on necrophiles I really am not disturbed. Do you think when someone digs up a grave and goes at it, that they are assaulting the soul or something?CreasianDevaili

just asking a question

Certainly Not! if the public bias is in favor of the death penalty thats what the reaserch will show. i myself am extremely biased... which is why i am reaserching to see what the majorities take on this issue is.

[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]i agrree with this man. he seems to have things straight...for the most part. no doubt there are mentally ill murderers but i disagree that the majority are mentally ill. if i said i was controlled by alcohol when i murdered someone i would be laughed at but if i was a schizophenic (incorrect spelling) i would get off with manslaughter at worst. mental illness is not always an excuse.foxhound_fox

Now your starting to make sense to me. and your last paragraph seems very... Christian. even though my gut tells me otherwise

Sounds cruel and insensitive, but people convicted to life are a financial drain. I'm pro hard labor (and I don't mean community service by picking up trash at the side of the road. I mean hard labor)

[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]

if crime is worthy of capital punishment like terrorism, countless murders, kidnapping, rape etc. such sick people should die and should have no remorse for it.

sonichunter99

Again... killing ,never mind the amount, makes you a second class human? therefore unfit to live?

Sounds cruel and insensitive, but people convicted to life are a financial drain. I'm pro hard labor (and I don't mean community service by picking up trash at the side of the road. I mean hard labor)

JediXMan7

IMO better than death.

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"]

if crime is worthy of capital punishment like terrorism, countless murders, kidnapping, rape etc. such sick people should die and should have no remorse for it.

Sandulf29

Again... killing ,never mind the amount, makes you a second class human? therefore unfit to live?

Any man can be redeemed... at least thats what my religeon and my mind tells me

[QUOTE="Sandulf29"][QUOTE="sonichunter99"]

Again... killing ,never mind the amount, makes you a second class human? therefore unfit to live?

sonichunter99

Any man can be redeemed... at least thats what my religeon and my mind tells me

[QUOTE="JediXMan7"]

Sounds cruel and insensitive, but people convicted to life are a financial drain. I'm pro hard labor (and I don't mean community service by picking up trash at the side of the road. I mean hard labor)

sonichunter99

IMO better than death.

Death is actually costly. Hard labor - where they actually earn money for society and pay for their own imprisonment - is actually a good solution, in my opinion.

Now your starting to make sense to me. and your last paragraph seems very... Christian. even though my gut tells me otherwisesonichunter99

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"] of course, if a person performs a heinous crime who shows no remorse for it, shows no sign of repentance in future why should you keep such person alive. society should be from sociopaths. but those who want to change their ways should be put in some kind of medical institutionSandulf29

Any man can be redeemed... at least thats what my religeon and my mind tells me

yes they could have if hitler didnt kill himself and if our government would have CAPTURED never killed him

[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]Now your starting to make sense to me. and your last paragraph seems very... Christian. even though my gut tells me otherwisefoxhound_fox

true dat

Death is actually costly. Hard labor - where they actually earn money for society and pay for their own imprisonment - is actually a good solution, in my opinion.JediXMan7

[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

It doesn't have a purpose.

sonichunter99

Ok... care to elaborate on that a little Mr. Existentialist

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Killing a convinct simply doesn't achieve anything that you couldn't do using a different and less retributive solution.

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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

It doesn't have a purpose.

Barbariser

Ok... care to elaborate on that a little Mr. Existentialist

It's pretty obvious, isn't it? Killing a convinct simply doesn't achieve anything that you couldn't do using a different and less retributive solution.

Thank You

[QUOTE="JediXMan7"]Death is actually costly. Hard labor - where they actually earn money for society and pay for their own imprisonment - is actually a good solution, in my opinion.foxhound_fox

It would definitely help those who would be released. One reason people return to crime is because they know nothing else. Teach them skills and maybe, just maybe, some can turn around.

But for those that we know are not getting out ever again, put them to work and just return them to their cells at the end of the day. As you said, it would help the economy.

I support it, why should i have to pay to leave a murder in prision.

I support it, why should i have to pay to leave a murder in prision.

James161324

because of our stupid government

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[QUOTE="sonichunter99"]

Any man can be redeemed... at least thats what my religeon and my mind tells me

sonichunter99

yes they could have if hitler didnt kill himself and if our government would have CAPTURED never killed him

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[QUOTE="Sandulf29"] thats all in theory. do you mean to say that people like Osama Bin Laden and Hitler could have been redeemed, there was no need to kill Osama

Sandulf29

yes they could have if hitler didnt kill himself and if our government would have CAPTURED never killed him

so just because they are sociopathic or psychopatic means that they cant redeem themselves? all men are created eqaul their actoins have no bearing on their lifes value, even though we probably cannot come to a concesus on this issue