Cardinal Egan: "abortion equivalent to Nazism".

That's what he said in his letter.

well keep up the good work, your Eminence. Let's keep fighting the culture wars until the Culture of Life triumphs over the Culture of Death, And in this election, Obama has allied himself to Planned Parenthood, thus he is on the Dark Side, and thus Christians must oppose him.

Abortion - killing innocent humans for personal gain

Nazis - Killed innocent Jews for Hitler's personal gain

Hmmmm.....

Abortion - killing innocent humans for personal gain

Nazis - Killed innocent Jews for Hitler's personal gain

Hmmmm.....

seabiscuit8686

Obviously the doctor is a vampire that feeds on fetuses

Stop making threads

I agree.loco145

I totally disagree.dave123321

[QUOTE="loco145"]I agree.Jandurin

I totally disagree.dave123321

[QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

Abortion - killing innocent humans for personal gain

Nazis - Killed innocent Jews for Hitler's personal gain

Hmmmm.....

Led_poison

Obviously the doctor is a vampire that feeds on fetuses

Stop making threads

[QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

Abortion - killing innocent humans for personal gain

Nazis - Killed innocent Jews for Hitler's personal gain

Hmmmm.....

Led_poison

Obviously the doctor is a vampire that feeds on fetuses

Stop making threads

Making abortion/religion threads on a gaming site where the average population is a) under the age of 18 and rebelling against society by taking all views that don't agree with the "norm" b) think that a gaming site is a good place to have stimulating philosophical discussion because of their distinct lack of real life friends to converse with is an instant fail.

[QUOTE="loco145"]I agree.Jandurin

I totally disagree.dave123321

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="loco145"]I agree.loco145

I totally disagree.dave123321

Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elsebsman00

Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elsebsman00

Lol at you - amazing how you come into a thread and say "drop the issue" it's already been decided by me - supreme ruler of all - "it's the woman's choice." If only you were emperor of all the lands. Maybe then we would have definitive answers on all subjects of life..........end sarcasm

[QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseloco145

Owned

[QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseseabiscuit8686

Lol at you - amazing how you come into a thread and say "drop the issue" it's already been decided by me - supreme ruler of all - "it's the woman's choice." If only you were emperor of all the lands. Maybe then we would have definitive answers on all subjects of life..........end sarcasm

Yes bow down

on some real talk legal or not abortion will always be there like how beer was when prohibition happened back in capones days. i dont condone abortion but how can you kombat something that'll happen regardless? and as for the cardnal he needs to shut up cause he isnt even american and for a guy who supports a religion that has had past preists molest little boys shouldnt even have a say about abortionTazzmission187

1) How does not being American come into play?

2) Any time you have a position of authority over young people, you will have people who take advantage of it. There are just as high of percents of molesters in day cares, Baptist churches, Mormon churches, Jewish Synogogues.....etc. It's human nature to take advantage of the weak for your own personal gains. Whether or not that is moral - well according to some people on this site, there is no such thing as morals - that is pretty sick. God did not tell them to do it, human evil did it. So blaming a Cardianl for all the priests and people who have molested children just shows your complete ignorance

[QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elsebsman00

Lol at you - amazing how you come into a thread and say "drop the issue" it's already been decided by me - supreme ruler of all - "it's the woman's choice." If only you were emperor of all the lands. Maybe then we would have definitive answers on all subjects of life..........end sarcasm

Yes bow down

Was hoping you would say get on your knees - well, your loss

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseseabiscuit8686

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

1) How does not being American come into play?

2) Any time you have a position of authority over young people, you will have people who take advantage of it. There are just as high of percents of molesters in day cares, Baptist churches, Mormon churches, Jewish Synogogues.....etc. It's human nature to take advantage of the weak for your own personal gains. Whether or not that is moral - well according to some people on this site, there is no such thing as morals - that is pretty sick. God did not tell them to do it, human evil did it. So blaming a Cardianl for all the priests and people who have molested children just shows your complete ignorance

seabiscuit8686

what about the Churches involvement in hiding and ignoring the knowledge of these child molesting priests? they cared more about protecting their image than protecting those kids.

[QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseLockedge

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Nazi fallacy= instant fail.Mr_sprinkles

Godwin's law executed prematurely in this thread. It was over before it began. :(

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseloco145

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Even if they're not married, the guy will have a strong say in the matter.

Girls have abortions in the cases of accidental drunken sex, one night stands, rape, etc. more than they do within relationships.

I've never met a girl who wouldn't be willing to seriously discuss the matter if they were in a relationship.

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseLockedge

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Even if they're not married, the guy will have a strong say in the matter.

Girls have abortions in the cases of accidental drunken sex, one night stands, rape, etc. more than they do within relationships.

I've never met a girl who wouldn't be willing to seriously discuss the matter if they were in a relationship.

didn't the Church support the Nazi movement?Ontain

they were the biggest oposition though they did agree with some of his ideas on family values, that's why he made his own church called the reich church

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseloco145

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Even if they're not married, the guy will have a strong say in the matter.

Girls have abortions in the cases of accidental drunken sex, one night stands, rape, etc. more than they do within relationships.

I've never met a girl who wouldn't be willing to seriously discuss the matter if they were in a relationship.

If a guy and girl are in a relationship, the guy would obviously care about the woman, and the potential child. He would have a say, even if he doesn't have any say legally.

If a guy and girl aren't in a relationship, he likely doesn't care about the woman or the child, so he wouldn't have a say and probably shouldn't have a say.

It's not perfect, but even if it was a 50%-50% split decision, what would happen then? Tie goes to the woman, because she's at risk of spending 9 months, hundreds or thousands of excess money, having to take unpaid leave from work, and raising the kid herself.

Like, I said, it's not perfect, but it protects women from deadbeats who would take off at any risk of committment, and from rapists having a say in their pregnancies.

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseLockedge

the guy has rights because its his sperm that impregnated the woman in the first place. truth is this no parent feels confortable talking to there kids about sex no matter what parent it is. the reason why alot of abortions happen is because of incest, rape, molestation, one night stands. now if a woman was knocked up without letting the father know then thats a tough call

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Even if they're not married, the guy will have a strong say in the matter.

Girls have abortions in the cases of accidental drunken sex, one night stands, rape, etc. more than they do within relationships.

I've never met a girl who wouldn't be willing to seriously discuss the matter if they were in a relationship.

If a guy and girl are in a relationship, the guy would obviously care about the woman, and the potential child. He would have a say, even if he doesn't have any say legally.

If a guy and girl aren't in a relationship, he likely doesn't care about the woman or the child, so he wouldn't have a say and probably shouldn't have a say.

It's not perfect, but even if it was a 50%-50% split decision, what would happen then? Tie goes to the woman, because she's at risk of spending 9 months, hundreds or thousands of excess money, having to take unpaid leave from work, and raising the kid herself.

Like, I said, it's not perfect, but it protects women from deadbeats who would take off at any risk of committment, and from rapists having a say in their pregnancies.

the guy has rights because its his sperm that impregnated the woman in the first place. truth is this no parent feels confortable talking to there kids about sex no matter what parent it is. the reason why alot of abortions happen is because of incest, rape, molestation, one night stands. now if a woman was knocked up without letting the father know then thats a tough call

No one is pro abortion.. Many people including my self think its the womans and doctors business alone.. I think its incrediably tyrannical that I should have some say in what a woman does to her body. Its my beliefs and I think I should not impose it on other person beliefs.. Further more Obama is against abortion, he just believes its the womans liberty to decide, and sees it far more important then his personal beliefs.

Furthermore this cardinal is freaking stupid.. Regardless of how evil he thinks abortion is.. Its not Nazism.. Nazism is fascism, abortion has nothing to do with fascism what so ever.

No one is pro abortion.. Many people including my self think its the womans and doctors business alone.. I think its incrediably tyrannical that I should have some say in what a woman does to her body. Its my beliefs and I think I should not impose it on other person beliefs.. Further more Obama is against abortion, he just believes its the womans liberty to decide, and sees it far more important then his personal beliefs.sSubZerOo

thats exactly true. like i stated before how can you ban something when its gona be there legal or not? same as gays not having rights since when does sexual orientation become such a threat to the world? im not gay but seriously saying woman have no rights or gays have no rights kinda reminds me of the civil rights movement back in the 60's. religioun is the cause of alot of things in this world what ever religioun anyone believes in.

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"]Nazi fallacy= instant fail.Lockedge

Godwin's law executed prematurely in this thread. It was over before it began. :(

[QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Lockedge"][QUOTE="seabiscuit8686"]

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="bsman00"]Drop this issue.... its the womans choice, not anyone elseTazzmission187

the guy has rights because its his sperm that impregnated the woman in the first place. truth is this no parent feels confortable talking to there kids about sex no matter what parent it is. the reason why alot of abortions happen is because of incest, rape, molestation, one night stands. now if a woman was knocked up without letting the father know then thats a tough call

Owned

I fail to see ownage. Mayhaps you need to understand a husband running off on his wife and kids is vastly different than abortion. That in any semi-healthy relationship, the guy will have a strong hand in the matter of whether to keep a child or have an abortion.

Even if they're not married, the guy will have a strong say in the matter.

Girls have abortions in the cases of accidental drunken sex, one night stands, rape, etc. more than they do within relationships.

I've never met a girl who wouldn't be willing to seriously discuss the matter if they were in a relationship.

If a guy and girl are in a relationship, the guy would obviously care about the woman, and the potential child. He would have a say, even if he doesn't have any say legally.

If a guy and girl aren't in a relationship, he likely doesn't care about the woman or the child, so he wouldn't have a say and probably shouldn't have a say.

It's not perfect, but even if it was a 50%-50% split decision, what would happen then? Tie goes to the woman, because she's at risk of spending 9 months, hundreds or thousands of excess money, having to take unpaid leave from work, and raising the kid herself.

Like, I said, it's not perfect, but it protects women from deadbeats who would take off at any risk of committment, and from rapists having a say in their pregnancies.

the guy has rights because its his sperm that impregnated the woman in the first place. truth is this no parent feels confortable talking to there kids about sex no matter what parent it is. the reason why alot of abortions happen is because of incest, rape, molestation, one night stands. now if a woman was knocked up without letting the father know then thats a tough call

Did the guy get her pregnant? Sure. I completely understand it takes two to tango, but I've heard so many "veto" stances (that if either partner wants to keep the child, then the other's decision to abort is vetoed) to make my head spin. The fact is that in most any healthy relationship, both partners will talk it out and come to a conclusion. That's how relationships work. If the guy cares about the girl and it's reciprocal, he has a say about the possible child. If he doesn't care about the girl, he has no say in the matter, because it's a one-sided mindset.

As you said, the vast amount of abortions are from incest, rape/molestation, one night stands, etc. and in general people in a relationship are far less likely to. People in poverty-stricken areas where abortion rates are much higher aren't being educated well enough, and even if they are, there's not enough services to be provided. People might decide they want to keep the child, but that it's not feasible to due to a complete lack of day-care, a partner producing a second means of income, terrible US maternity/paternity leave standards, etc.
If it's going to ruin the livelihood of the parent(s) and significantly reduce the chances of the potential child having even a mediocre life, then some feel pushed towards abortion whether it's right or not. It's not an easy decision to make.

No one is pro abortion.

sSubZerOo

Cop-out.

[QUOTE="loco145"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="loco145"]I agree.septemberluc

I totally disagree.dave123321

I respectfully disagree with your agreeing. In fact I probably agree with the agree more than the disagrees, even if they aren't all agreeing

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No one is pro abortion.

Theokhoth

Cop-out.

Given that Cardinal Egan already invoked Godwin's Law in his opening statements, I think he's set a new record for "shortest time to lose an argument".

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No one is pro abortion.

Funky_Llama

Cop-out.

This is a cover, something to hide behind so moderate pro-choicers do not appear anti-women or like a religious nut but they also do not seem cavalier about human life and abortion, or traditional values.

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

No one is pro abortion.

Theokhoth

Cop-out.

This is a cover, something to hide behind so moderate pro-choicers do not feel anti-women or like a religious nut but they also do not seem cavalier about human life and abortion, or traditional values.

And your proof is this is...?Funky_Llama

How exactly would you go about proving that?

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And your proof is this is...?Theokhoth

How exactly would you go about proving that?

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]And your proof is this is...?Funky_Llama

How exactly would you go about proving that?

Strawman; I never said it was unprovable.:roll:

Nobody has the right to murder; everybody has the right to stop murder. Simple.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Jandurin

I never said it was. It's anti-man. Moderate pro-choicers, however, are viewed as anti-woman by the more hardcore pro-choicers who think pro-life = sexism.