What are your thoughts on Casey Anthony not testifying? Good or bad decision by the defense?
It sure was anti-climatic.
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What are your thoughts on Casey Anthony not testifying? Good or bad decision by the defense?
It sure was anti-climatic.
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see, i don't understand that. If i was on trail for the death of my daughter I would get on that chair and tell my side of the story. You just don't go out like that.
hmmm, didn't know that but if i was innocent i would, but thats just me i guess.Most defendents don't take the stand....
LJS9502_basic
I have a hard time believing she's innocent. I don't know how the jury could trust a single thing the defense says after all the lies she was caught in.
Considering she didn't report her daughter missing for a month, A MONTH! That alone right there is all the evidence needed to put her on deathrow. Plus goin out to parties, getting tattoos, livin the good life while your daughter is dead andwrapped up in a trash bag like a wild animal.
I think with the fake nanny story, the "job" she had at Universal Studios, and her recorded jail conversations have shown her to be a pathological liar (not to mention the fact that she went a whole ****ing month without reporting her daughter missing!). Anything she says would be a detriment to her case.
If she was put on the stand, I bet the state would start lining up lawyers for a perjury hearing.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]hmmm, didn't know that but if i was innocent i would, but thats just me i guess. The defense attorney's job is to provide reasonable doubt. When the defendant is put on the stand they run the risk of having to answer incriminating questions....which could lose the case. Even if they were innocent.Most defendents don't take the stand....
Chris_Williams
The problem is that there's no way to support the allegations of sexual abuse by her father and brother now. Her ex-fiance didn't testify right?Most defendents don't take the stand....
LJS9502_basic
But I know she'd be ripped apart by cross examination.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]The problem is that there's no way to support the allegations of sexual abuse by her father and brother now. Her ex-fiance didn't testify right? I haven't been following the trial. I'm just talking about general protocal in these cases. It's rare for the defendant to testify.Most defendents don't take the stand....
KeitekeTokage
Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.British_AzimioWhen you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.
[QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.KeitekeTokageWhen you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.BMD004When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.
The thing is, the defense gave themselves an uneccesary burden of proof with the drowning claims and the sexual molestation claims.
If the jury thinks she's lying about those things, they'll think she's lying to cover up what really happened.
The defense should have taken a more measured approach.
[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.BMD004When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty. see, you think the only way the prosecution can prove anything is if they have hard evidence or something, like they need a video of her doing the act. Thats not what its about, all the prosecution is trying to do is convince the jurors with the evidence they do have. Which is, she's a liar, there was never a nanny, her daughter went missing for a full month while she went about her life like nothing happened, the child had duct tape around her mouth when they found the body. Also the drown theory is fine and all but the fact that she didn't call 911 or something to try to resuscitate her daughter or anything i call B.S. but we shall see when the verdict happens.
The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.
On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.
On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.
GreySeal9
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case. That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.
On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.
On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.
LJS9502_basic
She's going to be acquitted.
It's going to be OJ Simpson all over again.
She's going to go out and celebrate at a big party afterward too.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case. That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony. Yes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case.Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.
On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.
On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.
KeitekeTokage
The jury will look at physical evidence and see if it actually points to Casey as the murderer, beyond any doubt.
And to be honest, there's really nothing proving she actually did it.
Everyone in her family had access to everything she had access to. So without a confession or witness, there's nothing solid against her.
[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.
On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.
On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.
LJS9502_basic
Yes, that is how it is supposed to work, but the jury is going to still have an expectation that the defense substantiate their claims. Substantiating the drowning claim and the sexual abuse claim is a a part of raising reasonable doubt. That is why the defense has tried to get supposed "evidence" of the molestation in through the back door.
So, yes one can say "they don't have to prove anything" in theory, but does it work out that way in practice? Not neccesarily. The prosecution still has the ultimate burden of proof, but that doesn't mean the jury won't be looking to the defense to prove their pretty sizable claims, especially if they are convinced by the prosecution.
I don't think that there is enough evidence for first degree murder. Even if convicted I won't be surprised at all if the case is successfully appealed. But I think it's pretty obvious that she is guilty of negligent homicide. -Sun_Tzu-
Really, I think it's going to come down to those internet searches and whether or not the jury thinks that they establish pre-meditation.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.KeitekeTokageYes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case. I know, I'm only bringing those things up because they were a large part of the defenses case. They've now gone completely unsupported, and are unlikely to be believed by the jury. There were definitely pro's and cons to casey not testifying. Perhaps more pros when looking at the full picture, but its definitely going to hurt her.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.
But now that I think about it, even if she did testify, I'm not sure she'd be a useful witness. After all, the defense has basically asserted that Casey will always lie because she lives in a world of lies due to the molestation. So, if she's such a liar (which she has definitely proved herself to be), why should the jury believe anything she says?
Fine probably....haha some kid is going to be held in contempt of court for flipping the bird to the prosecution.
BMD004
[QUOTE="BMD004"]
Yea, that is what I'm thinking... probably a fine.
GreySeal9
Do you know why he gave them the middle finger?
(Haven't watched the case today)
No.. I just looked up and saw some kid (I say kid but he's like 18) talking at the podium.And the fine is $663, not $400 like I said a few posts up.
Wow.. 6 days in jail and a $400 fine.
BMD004
Maybe they do him like they do us here in Chicago.
You owe $400 and stay in jail for 4 days and they consider it payment satifactory because you stayed in jail. $100 per day. Now I think it's day & night they give you credit for 2 days. I forgot...
Wow.. 6 days in jail and a $400 fine.
BMD004
The judge did a good job of explaining why. These little "outbursts" may not look like a big deal from an outsider's perspective, but the fact that they could influence the result (and possibly lead to a mistrial) is a valid reason to deal with contempt seriously.
Her going on the stand would have probably just made it worse for her.
Either way you look at it, her life is over. If she's found guilty of murder she's going to jail for the rest of her life. If she's not found guilty of murder and she's only found guilty of neglect and lying to the police she'll most likely be released for timed served. However, with the amount of people who believe she is a murderer at a minimum she'll be shunned and at worse she'll be a victim of vigilante violence from somebody who claims they're getting the justice the court couldn't.
It'll be interesting to see how this ends. Hopefully whatever verdict the jury comes to is done based on evidence, not emotion.
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