Casey Anthony will not testify in her defense. Defense rests Case.

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#1 KeitekeTokage
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What are your thoughts on Casey Anthony not testifying? Good or bad decision by the defense?

It sure was anti-climatic.

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#2 razor990
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This woman is a menace to society!

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#3 Chris_Williams
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see, i don't understand that. If i was on trail for the death of my daughter I would get on that chair and tell my side of the story. You just don't go out like that.

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#4 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Most defendents don't take the stand....

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#5 Chris_Williams
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Most defendents don't take the stand....

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hmmm, didn't know that but if i was innocent i would, but thats just me i guess.
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#6 ImaPirate0202
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I have a hard time believing she's innocent. I don't know how the jury could trust a single thing the defense says after all the lies she was caught in.

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#7 whitetiger3521
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Considering she didn't report her daughter missing for a month, A MONTH! That alone right there is all the evidence needed to put her on deathrow. Plus goin out to parties, getting tattoos, livin the good life while your daughter is dead andwrapped up in a trash bag like a wild animal.

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#8 deactivated-58a5e8ead9efe
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I think with the fake nanny story, the "job" she had at Universal Studios, and her recorded jail conversations have shown her to be a pathological liar (not to mention the fact that she went a whole ****ing month without reporting her daughter missing!). Anything she says would be a detriment to her case.

If she was put on the stand, I bet the state would start lining up lawyers for a perjury hearing.

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#9 LJS9502_basic  Online
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Most defendents don't take the stand....

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hmmm, didn't know that but if i was innocent i would, but thats just me i guess.

The defense attorney's job is to provide reasonable doubt. When the defendant is put on the stand they run the risk of having to answer incriminating questions....which could lose the case. Even if they were innocent.
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#10 KeitekeTokage
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Most defendents don't take the stand....

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The problem is that there's no way to support the allegations of sexual abuse by her father and brother now. Her ex-fiance didn't testify right?

But I know she'd be ripped apart by cross examination.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Most defendents don't take the stand....

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The problem is that there's no way to support the allegations of sexual abuse by her father and brother now. Her ex-fiance didn't testify right?

I haven't been following the trial. I'm just talking about general protocal in these cases. It's rare for the defendant to testify.
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It's getting annoying.
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Testifying or not she's screwed either way.

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Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.
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Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.British_Azimio
When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.
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[QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.KeitekeTokage
When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.

I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.
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So was the drowning an accident and did she mishandle the situation and get herself in trouble by reacting the way she did, perhaps from fear of being prosecuted for being a careless mother, or did she actually hold the kids head under the water?

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#18 GreySeal9
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Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.

On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.

On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.

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#19 sammyjenkis898
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Testifying or not she's screwed either way.

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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.BMD004
When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.

I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.

The thing is, the defense gave themselves an uneccesary burden of proof with the drowning claims and the sexual molestation claims.

If the jury thinks she's lying about those things, they'll think she's lying to cover up what really happened.

The defense should have taken a more measured approach.

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#21 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="British_Azimio"]Been following the trial just about every single day since it started over a month ago. Can't say I've ever been more engrossed in a case...after-all if you live in Florida, it's been on the news nearly 24/7 since 08. Definitely a lot of interesting stuff from both sides, and I personally can't really decide on her guilt or innocence. I really just can't wait for when the jury returns a verdict.BMD004
When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.

I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.

see, you think the only way the prosecution can prove anything is if they have hard evidence or something, like they need a video of her doing the act. Thats not what its about, all the prosecution is trying to do is convince the jurors with the evidence they do have. Which is, she's a liar, there was never a nanny, her daughter went missing for a full month while she went about her life like nothing happened, the child had duct tape around her mouth when they found the body. Also the drown theory is fine and all but the fact that she didn't call 911 or something to try to resuscitate her daughter or anything i call B.S. but we shall see when the verdict happens.
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#22 LJS9502_basic  Online
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Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.

On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.

On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.

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The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.
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#23 KeitekeTokage
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.

On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.

On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.

LJS9502_basic
The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.

That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.
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#24 UCF_Knight
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I think Casey would have done more harm than good. Smart decision.
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#25 Netherscourge
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She's going to be acquitted.

It's going to be OJ Simpson all over again.

She's going to go out and celebrate at a big party afterward too.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.

On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.

On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.

KeitekeTokage
The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.

That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.

Yes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case.
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#27 Netherscourge
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The jury will look at physical evidence and see if it actually points to Casey as the murderer, beyond any doubt.

And to be honest, there's really nothing proving she actually did it.

Everyone in her family had access to everything she had access to. So without a confession or witness, there's nothing solid against her.

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#28 -Sun_Tzu-
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I don't think that there is enough evidence for first degree murder. Even if convicted I won't be surprised at all if the case is successfully appealed. But I think it's pretty obvious that she is guilty of negligent homicide.
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#29 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Not having her testify is a double-edged sword.

On one hand, if he testified, the defense would rip her apart.

On the other hand, the only way the defense can't prove the crux of their defense case without her testifying.

LJS9502_basic

The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.

Yes, that is how it is supposed to work, but the jury is going to still have an expectation that the defense substantiate their claims. Substantiating the drowning claim and the sexual abuse claim is a a part of raising reasonable doubt. That is why the defense has tried to get supposed "evidence" of the molestation in through the back door.

So, yes one can say "they don't have to prove anything" in theory, but does it work out that way in practice? Not neccesarily. The prosecution still has the ultimate burden of proof, but that doesn't mean the jury won't be looking to the defense to prove their pretty sizable claims, especially if they are convinced by the prosecution.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] The defense doesn't have to prove a case....they just have to cast reasonable doubt on the prosecutions case.

That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.

Yes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case.

I know, I'm only bringing those things up because they were a large part of the defenses case. They've now gone completely unsupported, and are unlikely to be believed by the jury. There were definitely pro's and cons to casey not testifying. Perhaps more pros when looking at the full picture, but its definitely going to hurt her.
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I don't think that there is enough evidence for first degree murder. Even if convicted I won't be surprised at all if the case is successfully appealed. But I think it's pretty obvious that she is guilty of negligent homicide. -Sun_Tzu-

Really, I think it's going to come down to those internet searches and whether or not the jury thinks that they establish pre-meditation.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.KeitekeTokage
Yes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case.

I know, I'm only bringing those things up because they were a large part of the defenses case. They've now gone completely unsupported, and are unlikely to be believed by the jury. There were definitely pro's and cons to casey not testifying. Perhaps more pros when looking at the full picture, but its definitely going to hurt her.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to say.

But now that I think about it, even if she did testify, I'm not sure she'd be a useful witness. After all, the defense has basically asserted that Casey will always lie because she lives in a world of lies due to the molestation. So, if she's such a liar (which she has definitely proved herself to be), why should the jury believe anything she says?

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#33 BMD004
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] When you say guilt or innocence, what do you mean? Are you saying the defenses theory of drowning with George finding the body is just as plausible as Casey acting alone? I really don't see that. With Casey not testifying I just don't see how the jury would buy that.

I don't necessarily buy that, but I don't think the prosecution proved much, either. And if there is a reasonable doubt, I don't see how they can find her guilty.

see, you think the only way the prosecution can prove anything is if they have hard evidence or something, like they need a video of her doing the act. Thats not what its about, all the prosecution is trying to do is convince the jurors with the evidence they do have. Which is, she's a liar, there was never a nanny, her daughter went missing for a full month while she went about her life like nothing happened, the child had duct tape around her mouth when they found the body. Also the drown theory is fine and all but the fact that she didn't call 911 or something to try to resuscitate her daughter or anything i call B.S. but we shall see when the verdict happens.

I realize that... but a lot of the prosecution's points have doubt on them created by the defense. You gotta remember... jury members are just regular citizens. They aren't going to analyze it like the people on TV are doing because they are lawyers. They are going to look at it from a different perspective. For example... in a mixed martial arts fight, I will see and be able to analyze things that the casual viewer wouldn't even realize was happening. I can analyze a fight on a completely different level on a technical, strategic, and in-depth level that the ordinary viewer couldn't. My "expert" opinion wouldn't matter... only the casual viewer's opinion matters. The "experts" on HLN have been saying that the prosecution is destroying the defense. But as a "casual" viewer, I don't see it that way. From a lawyerly (is that a word lol) standpoint, the prosecution may be doing a great job... but from what I see, I'm not completely convinced of their side of the story.
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[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] That's true. But the defense brought up multiple things, namely that Casey was sexually abused as a child and that George Anthony actually found the body. These things could have only been supported by Caseys testimony.

Yes but again defendants can hurt their case. It really is rare that defendants testify. It's dangerous.....and even the innocent aren't going to risk that. It's hard to predict what juries use for criteria. I was on the jury for a civil case....and the fact that some jurors didn't like the plaintiffs attorneys made them look for an excuse to dismiss the case.

I know, I'm only bringing those things up because they were a large part of the defenses case. They've now gone completely unsupported, and are unlikely to be believed by the jury. There were definitely pro's and cons to casey not testifying. Perhaps more pros when looking at the full picture, but its definitely going to hurt her.

Maybe....but the judge will instruct them that the defendant not taking the stand doesn't say anything in regard to the trial. Did the defense call any witnesses? And how did the cross go of the prosecutor's witnesses? It's amazing what idea can get stuck in a jurors head during a trial.
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haha some kid is going to be held in contempt of court for flipping the bird to the prosecution.

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haha some kid is going to be held in contempt of court for flipping the bird to the prosecution.

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Fine probably....
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#37 BMD004
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Yea, that is what I'm thinking... probably a fine.

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#38 GreySeal9
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Yea, that is what I'm thinking... probably a fine.

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Do you know why he gave them the middle finger?

(Haven't watched the case today)

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Wow.. 6 days in jail and a $400 fine.

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Dude? 6 Days? Wow that was intense..

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Yea, that is what I'm thinking... probably a fine.

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Do you know why he gave them the middle finger?

(Haven't watched the case today)

No.. I just looked up and saw some kid (I say kid but he's like 18) talking at the podium.

And the fine is $663, not $400 like I said a few posts up.

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lol this is hilarious.
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Wow.. 6 days in jail and a $400 fine.

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Maybe they do him like they do us here in Chicago.

You owe $400 and stay in jail for 4 days and they consider it payment satifactory because you stayed in jail. $100 per day. Now I think it's day & night they give you credit for 2 days. I forgot...

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I hope he enjoys the 4th of July hotdogs he's going to get.

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#45 KeitekeTokage
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Here's the video of him doing it.

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Good for the defense, at least. Although, unless I missed something, the defense has been awful at best so it won't make much of a difference.
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#47 Teetotal_Kitten
Member since 2011 • 25 Posts
The evidence does seem damning but I find the death penalty to be an unjust punishment. This woman clearly isn't stable mentally and needs to be put into care, not some rough prison system, ff course the care would be in an maximum security facility where she'd get the best treatment and kept safe for societies sake. Society would learn better of how to prevent these crimes if we learn about what brings them to be, she clearly had a troubled and torturous childhood, and we as a society need to help the children of today from experiencing such atrocities that could lead them on to criminal offences.
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#48 Commander-Gree
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Well I don't think she would have had much credibility taking the stand anyway given all of the lies it was proven she told and she may have ended up hurting her case even more so, but I think with her not testifying the defense did a horrible job proving the points they claimed at the beginning. She is the only one who could have confirmed anything they said about drowning or sexual abuse.
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#49 pianist
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Wow.. 6 days in jail and a $400 fine.

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The judge did a good job of explaining why. These little "outbursts" may not look like a big deal from an outsider's perspective, but the fact that they could influence the result (and possibly lead to a mistrial) is a valid reason to deal with contempt seriously.

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#50 ad1x2
Member since 2005 • 8430 Posts

Her going on the stand would have probably just made it worse for her.

Either way you look at it, her life is over. If she's found guilty of murder she's going to jail for the rest of her life. If she's not found guilty of murder and she's only found guilty of neglect and lying to the police she'll most likely be released for timed served. However, with the amount of people who believe she is a murderer at a minimum she'll be shunned and at worse she'll be a victim of vigilante violence from somebody who claims they're getting the justice the court couldn't.

It'll be interesting to see how this ends. Hopefully whatever verdict the jury comes to is done based on evidence, not emotion.