Chick Fil A

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I'm sure all the staff at CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are perfectly fair and balanced. Riiiiight.ChiefFreeman

Well of course you'll listen to Praline because he is generally a sensible person. I'd listen to him too. But him =/= you... in many aspects.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

[QUOTE="MrPraline"] No. They are mainstream media. They are FOX tier. Publicity, sensationalist, ratings, money and outrage. Fuel my bonus. F*ck learning truth. The pundits on either side are as silly and dishonest. It's a joke and you dividing one solid entity into good and bad shows you are buying into everything. Turn the tv off. TURN IT OFFTeenaged

Well of course you'll listen to Praline because he is generally a sensible person. I'd listen to him too. But him =/= you... in many aspects.

The only thing the guy said was "I don't support gay marriage" correct me if I'm wrong. Is that such a big deal? I'm just a bit confused on what the whole issue is.

TheStarM4n

He's free to have his own opinions, but he can't force them on everyone else.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]I'm sure all the staff at CNN, MSNBC, and the major networks are perfectly fair and balanced. Riiiiight.MrPraline

You might want to do a bit of research into the "mainly conservative" suburbs and cities which the company is located in. Several of those areas -- yes, even the supposedly rigid Republican strongholds of the South -- like north Carolina and Virginia, are swing states. And don't forget where the Democratic convention is being held; Charlotte, a city flooded with Chick-Fil-A's.

ChiefFreeman

Can you f*cking read? Why do you keep talking about states when I never said sh*t about states? I mentioned neighborhoods. Let us take, for example, Chick Fil A's three Chicago region locations:

One is in Wheaton, which might as well be named "Jesusville".Wheaton College is a well known Christian college and also the location of the Billy Graham Center, a more or less training center for evangelists.

Another is in Aurora, my town. A town who's residents a few years back did everything they could to block the opening of a Planned Parenthood clinic. Also home to very notable Republican Dennis Hastert.

The third is in Orland Park. I'll grant that I'm not really familiar with the religious leanings of Orland Park residents, but I do know that it is quite a wealthy little town and lies in a Congressional district that was been solidly Republican for the last century.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"] I actually am a fan of Anderson Cooper, and use my CNN iPhone app quite regularly, believe it or not, and I have the aptitude to discern between the shows that are enlightening, and those which are nothing more than dogma, on BOTH sides. But you did make a very point. I listened, unlike Teenaged, who can only insult people.

ChiefFreeman

Well of course you'll listen to Praline because he is generally a sensible person. I'd listen to him too. But him =/= you... in many aspects.

All sarcasm aside, learn to accept the fact that insults hurled against you arent necessarily due to bias or childishness. Due to the loose rules in this board, I can express my aversion towards certain posters in a very satisfying way. That aversion canactually be justified, you know. You may actually be stupid. Or at least through your posts and how you express yourself you may justifiably come off as stupid (not literally).

You choose to ignore the fact that me telling you to shut up was at the end of a post in which I explained why you seem ridiculous to me. You ignore the fact that I kept explaining to you why you seem ridiculous to me. Conveniently you played some "cards"... the "you're insulting me just because we disagree" card, the "you're childish/immature because you're insulting me" card. I've said it before and I mean it kinda seriously: I wish I was as delusional as you. Delusional in the sense that I cant see the BS I'm spouting and that unconsciously I've built up mechanisms to hide my BS and get away with it.

You came in this thread whining about things that werent even true. First, that the "leftist haters" try to censor where you eat. Nevermind the fact that mayors cant prevent Chick-Fil-A from coming to an area near you or anywhere else. Then that the protests are going on in states that gay marriage is legalised, as if gay people should only care about what is going in their state and not give two sh*ts about the homosexual people in other states or other countries even. That they are being a "thought police"... why? Because they're louder than you would want them to be? Boohoo. And finally you reduced the logic of pro-gay marriage people to "its morally acceptable" which couldnt be further from the truth.

I dont know why I even hoped you'd shut up when confronted with your idiocy, I must apologise for trying.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]You might want to do a bit of research into the "mainly conservative" suburbs and cities which the company is located in. Several of those areas -- yes, even the supposedly rigid Republican strongholds of the South -- like north Carolina and Virginia, are swing states. And don't forget where the Democratic convention is being held; Charlotte, a city flooded with Chick-Fil-A's.

worlock77

Can you f*cking read? Why do you keep talking about states when I never said sh*t about states? I mentioned neighborhoods. Let us take, for example, Chick Fil A's three Chicago region locations:

One is in Wheaton, which might as well be named "Jesusville".Wheaton College is a well known Christian college and also the location of the Billy Graham Center, a more or less training center for evangelists.

Another is in Aurora, my town. A town who's residents a few years back did everything they could to block the opening of a Planned Parenthood clinic. Also home to very notable Republican Dennis Hastert.

The third is in Orland Park. I'll grant that I'm not really familiar with the religious leanings of Orland Park residents, but I do know that it is quite a wealthy little town and lies in a Congressional district that was been solidly Republican for the last century.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]You might want to do a bit of research into the "mainly conservative" suburbs and cities which the company is located in. Several of those areas -- yes, even the supposedly rigid Republican strongholds of the South -- like north Carolina and Virginia, are swing states. And don't forget where the Democratic convention is being held; Charlotte, a city flooded with Chick-Fil-A's.

ChiefFreeman

Can you f*cking read? Why do you keep talking about states when I never said sh*t about states? I mentioned neighborhoods. Let us take, for example, Chick Fil A's three Chicago region locations:

One is in Wheaton, which might as well be named "Jesusville".Wheaton College is a well known Christian college and also the location of the Billy Graham Center, a more or less training center for evangelists.

Another is in Aurora, my town. A town who's residents a few years back did everything they could to block the opening of a Planned Parenthood clinic. Also home to very notable Republican Dennis Hastert.

The third is in Orland Park. I'll grant that I'm not really familiar with the religious leanings of Orland Park residents, but I do know that it is quite a wealthy little town and lies in a Congressional district that was been solidly Republican for the last century.

You haven't refuted sh*t. You've responded to imaginary points that I never made while ignoring my actual points.

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"]

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Oh you so impartial...

Well of course you'll listen to Praline because he is generally a sensible person. I'd listen to him too. But him =/= you... in many aspects.

Teenaged

All sarcasm aside, learn to accept the fact that insults hurled against you arent necessarily due to bias or childishness. Due to the loose rules in this board, I can express my aversion towards certain posters in a very satisfying way. That aversion canactually be justified, you know. You may actually be stupid. Or at least through your posts and how you express yourself you may justifiably come off as stupid (not literally).

You choose to ignore the fact that me telling you to shut up was at the end of a post in which I explained why you seem ridiculous to me. You ignore the fact that I kept explaining to you why you seem ridiculous to me. Conveniently you played some "cards"... the "you're insulting me just because we disagree" card, the "you're childish/immature because you're insulting me" card. I've said it before and I mean it kinda seriously: I wish I was as delusional as you. Delusional in the sense that I cant see the BS I'm spouting and that unconsciously I've built up mechanisms to hide my BS and get away with it.

You came in this thread whining about things that werent even true. First, that the "leftist haters" try to censor where you eat. Nevermind the fact that mayors cant prevent Chick-Fil-A from coming to an area near you or anywhere else. Then that the protests are going on in states that gay marriage is legalised, as if gay people should only care about what is going in their state and not give two sh*ts about the homosexual people in other states or other countries even. That they are being a "thought police"... why? Because they're louder than you would want them to be? Boohoo. And finally you reduced the logic of pro-gay marriage people to "its morally acceptable" which couldnt be further from the truth.

I dont know why I even hoped you'd shut up when confronted with your idiocy, I must apologise for trying.

You state that I'm whining about things which aren't even true. If your definition of truth is just shrugging off another persons views which they feel passionately about, then you really are the delusional one That's the problem with extremist viewpoints; they don't reach any meeting ground or give consideration to what the other person has to say. It's "We're right, you're wrong", and that's it. That was duly noted in your igorant statement of "Because it's right", when I was trying to make a point earlier in this thread, without trying to say WHY you thought it was right. You're so consumed with what you (not everyone) views as acceptable and moral, that you resort to silly insults to try to get your point across. You say I "whined", instead of making a statement. So, an opposing viewpoint is whining to you? And telling someone to shut up because they disagree with what they have to say shows your maturity level. 0. So stop with the "card playing" sh1t.

I'll be happy to discuss (again) what I said earlier. I know you're pretty thick headed, so I'll try to make it easier for you. I said the legalization of one's cause isn't enough for some. It means that they want to force their way of thinking on others, with total disregard to their faith, secular beliefs, or even just a right to freedom of speech. It goes beyond just what one guy said. Gays are preaching tha mantra this is an issue of intolerance, witout being tolerant. They try to force it as a Civil rights issue, when gay marriage isn't even recognized as such by the Supremem Court of the United States. It's much easier to cry bigot and hate-monger, than examine the facts. Their argument is entirely based on what they view to be morally correct, what THEY view is right, not the nation as a whole, and not the judicialry system of every state.

[QUOTE="Teenaged"]

[QUOTE="ChiefFreeman"] Thanks again, for reiterating what I said in that last sentence. Wait a sec, Let me rephrase that....."You're a stupid whiner, SHUT UP!"

ChiefFreeman

All sarcasm aside, learn to accept the fact that insults hurled against you arent necessarily due to bias or childishness. Due to the loose rules in this board, I can express my aversion towards certain posters in a very satisfying way. That aversion canactually be justified, you know. You may actually be stupid. Or at least through your posts and how you express yourself you may justifiably come off as stupid (not literally).

You choose to ignore the fact that me telling you to shut up was at the end of a post in which I explained why you seem ridiculous to me. You ignore the fact that I kept explaining to you why you seem ridiculous to me. Conveniently you played some "cards"... the "you're insulting me just because we disagree" card, the "you're childish/immature because you're insulting me" card. I've said it before and I mean it kinda seriously: I wish I was as delusional as you. Delusional in the sense that I cant see the BS I'm spouting and that unconsciously I've built up mechanisms to hide my BS and get away with it.

You came in this thread whining about things that werent even true. First, that the "leftist haters" try to censor where you eat. Nevermind the fact that mayors cant prevent Chick-Fil-A from coming to an area near you or anywhere else. Then that the protests are going on in states that gay marriage is legalised, as if gay people should only care about what is going in their state and not give two sh*ts about the homosexual people in other states or other countries even. That they are being a "thought police"... why? Because they're louder than you would want them to be? Boohoo. And finally you reduced the logic of pro-gay marriage people to "its morally acceptable" which couldnt be further from the truth.

I dont know why I even hoped you'd shut up when confronted with your idiocy, I must apologise for trying.

You state that I'm whining about things which aren't even true. If your definition of truth is just shrugging off another persons views which they feel passionately about, then you really are the delusional one That's the problem with extremist viewpoints; they don't reach any meeting ground or give consideration to what the other person has to say. It's "We're right, you're wrong", and that's it. That was duly noted in your igorant statement of "Because it's right", when I was trying to make a point earlier in this thread, without trying to say WHY you thought it was right. You're so consumed with what you (not everyone) views as acceptable and moral, that you resort to silly insults to try to get your point across. You say I "whined", instead of making a statement. So, an opposing viewpoint is whining to you? And telling someone to shut up because they disagree with what they have to say shows your maturity level. 0. So stop with the "card playing" sh1t.

I'll be happy to discuss (again) what I said earlier. I know you're pretty thick headed, so I'll try to make it easier for you. I said the legalization of one's cause isn't enough for some. It means that they want to force their way of thinking on others, with total disregard to their faith, secular beliefs, or even just a right to freedom of speech. It goes beyond just what one guy said. Gays are preaching tha mantra this is an issue of intolerance, witout being tolerant. They try to force it as a Civil rights issue, when gay marriage isn't even recognized as such by the Supremem Court of the United States. It's much easier to cry bigot and hate-monger, than examine the facts. Their argument is entirely based on what they view to be morally correct, what THEY view is right, not the nation as a whole, and not the judicialry system of every state.

I think I pretty much explained why your whining was unfounded. You're free to ignore the reasons I gave by labeling them as "shrugging off" your views.

Extremist viewpoints? Do you even know what my viewpoint is on the matter? If all you go by is my first response to you then that has little to do with my actual viewpoint, but how I expressed it (which was intended to get you riled up). But even if I was 100% serious about how I expressed it, that still doesnt say anything about my view. If the projected confidence about the validity of my view seemed too much to you, a person that clearly seems fed up with the gay rights movement (or some things from it), there's really nothing I can do about it and I certainly dont have to defend myself against the accusation of havng extremist beliefs just because I dont express them as diplomatically as you'd like. I'm diplomatic with people who seem more reasonable than you. I'm not gonna civilly argue with someone that things people try to "censor where they can eat". But I'll do it here cause I want to save some face too.

Except I didnt tell you to shut up just because I disagree with you, so your accusation of immaturity is invalid. Of course, I'm sure you'd consider that immature no matter the reason, but I suppose in this case you just want to play the "you're insulting me just because we disagree" card.

"I said the legalization of one's cause isn't enough for some." Which refers to your comment about there being protests in states where gay marriage is legal, right? I already answered that.

How does the Chick-Fil-A incident force others to accept my viewpoint/way of thinking? Whose freedom of speech was violated? Chick-Fil-A's? How? By promoting a boycott? People have the right to support whoever they want. The people that run Chick-Fil-A can still express their views freely.

But tolerance doesnt mean tolerance of everything. The two actions each side doesnt tolerate are entirely different in nature. Gay people simply want to be able to get secularly married, which has no tangible effect on those who dont support it (they can just not go to the wedding), while Chick-Fil-A is funding groups/organisations that are anti-gay marriage, ie they do want to have a say on what a group of people can do without having a reasonable argument.

Thats the point... they do want it recognised by the supreme court. That would be the best scenario.

Their argument is what I explained above about the nature of what each side wants. One side wants to limit freedoms (no I'm not talking about legally protected freedoms), and the other wants to have a specific freedom to do a specific thing. The side that wants to prevent the other from doing that specific thing must have sound arguments. I dont think that if something can be said that it is supported the "nation as a whole" it means that it is also right.