Chick Fil A

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Don't care. You claimed that the government was interfering;I refuted that argument. The other stuff doesn't matter. l4dak47

Just a question man, do you live in America? Why do you hate it so much? Why dont you move?

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] And remember when it got struck down by the federal courts as being unconstitutional?worlock77

So if I got a referendum passed by popular vote that outlawed religious expression you'd be cool with that?

I dont think the majority should be struck down or not listened too. So I wouldnt be cool with it, but my personal belief is that how do we know what is truly "right"? The truth is none of us really know. The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Oh the Boston mayor definitely said he wasn't going to allow that....but after some pressure he relented.LJS9502_basic

It all started when Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy told the Baptist Press this month that his company is guilty as charged in support of what he called the biblical definition of the family. Menino later said he would block the chain from opening in Boston because of Cathy's opposition to gay marriage.

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Chick fil a is located in conservative/republican states. They don't exist up here in the Northeast. Not surprising that states filled with bigoted idiots would go and buy food from a bigoted company. l4dak47

Are you innately an idiot or are you just acting as one?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"] So much for a government being by the people, for the people. If random judges can decides what people vote on is wrong. AdamPA1006

So if I got a referendum passed by popular vote that outlawed religious expression you'd be cool with that?

I dont think the majority should be struck down or not listened too. So I wouldnt be cool with it, but my personal belief is that how do we know what is truly "right"? The truth is none of us really know. The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion.

So "by the people, for the people", but only when it's something you like?

I dont think the majority should be struck down or not listened too. So I wouldnt be cool with it, but my personal belief is that how do we know what is truly "right"? The truth is none of us really know. The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion.

AdamPA1006

So you'd be alright with a law passed that violated the 1st amendment?:lol:

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

Just a question man, do you live in America? Why do you hate it so much? Why dont you move?

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]

Are you innately an idiot or are you just acting as one?

ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

Just a question man, do you live in America? Why do you hate it so much? Why dont you move?

ghoklebutter

An opinion by a mayor would be that they disagree with the CEOs opinion. And it is just the CEO I believe.....look how many people would be out of work if the business was hurt. Does that seem like it's helping society? Why is it ONLY one group that matters? The ramifications are far beyond gay people not marrying.LJS9502_basic

The "what about the jobs?" argument doesn't hold water:

1) Assuming the owners of CFA have more than a couple of brain-cells to rub together, they'd stop supporting anti-gay causes well before any boycott significantly affected CFA's financials.

2) The economy is so complex and so intertwined that any issue is naturally going to impact the job market somehow. Case in point, legalizing gay marraige would be huge boon to the various service/hospitality industries associated with weddings.

3) CFA ain't exactly the only fast-food restaurant out there, and while I've never had it myself I can't imagine it's so good that it's customers will refuse to eat anywhere in the event it did go out of business. The demand will just shift to KFC/McDonalds/some upstart that fills the void, and KFC/McDonalds/the upstart will have to hire new employees in order to fill that demand. As unfortunate as it would be, it would only be a temporary disruption for most CFA employees (and, as pointed out above, would only occur if CFA is so stupid as to run their corporation into the ground over this).

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[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I do live in America and to explain why I hate it would require a long wall of text. If this nation doesn't get its sh*t together soon, then i hope to move to Canada. l4dak47

Americans who are living sh!tty lives because of the status quo.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

I dont think the majority should be struck down or not listened too. So I wouldnt be cool with it, but my personal belief is that how do we know what is truly "right"? The truth is none of us really know. The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion.

HoolaHoopMan

So you'd be alright with a law passed that violated the 1st amendment?:lol:

Liberals dont even care about the Constitution, they think its some old dirty document written by a bunch of racists. Its just limiting the government from doing all these great things for it!

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]They are up North...yes. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"]

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

I dont think the majority should be struck down or not listened too. So I wouldnt be cool with it, but my personal belief is that how do we know what is truly "right"? The truth is none of us really know. The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion.

AdamPA1006

So you'd be alright with a law passed that violated the 1st amendment?:lol:

Liberals dont even care about the Constitution, they think its some old dirty document written by a bunch of racists. Its just limiting the government from doing all these great things for it!

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]An opinion by a mayor would be that they disagree with the CEOs opinion. And it is just the CEO I believe.....look how many people would be out of work if the business was hurt. Does that seem like it's helping society? Why is it ONLY one group that matters? The ramifications are far beyond gay people not marrying.Slow_Show

The "what about the jobs?" argument doesn't hold water:

1) Assuming the owners of CFA have more than a couple of brain-cells to rub together, they'd stop supporting anti-gay causes well before any boycott significantly affected CFA's financials.

2) The economy is so complex and so intertwined that any issue is naturally going to impact the job market somehow. Case in point, legalizing gay marraige would be huge boon to the various service/hospitality industries associated with weddings.

3) CFA ain't exactly the only fast-food restaurant out there, and while I've never had it myself I can't imagine it's so good that it's customers will refuse to eat anywhere in the event it did go out of business. The demand will just shift to KFC/McDonalds/Some upstart that fills the void, and KFC/McDonalds/the upstart will have to hire new employees in order to fill that demand. As unfortunate as it would be, it would only be a temporary disruption for most CFA employees (and, as pointed out above, would only occur if CFA is so stupid as to run their corporation into the ground over this).

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] I used to share the desire to move out of the US. But if I do, I'll feel like I'm "leaving them behind", so to speak. If it doesn't get its sh!t together soon, then I'll do what I can to make sure it does. I guess that's a rather big thing to say, though.

ghoklebutter

Americans who are living sh!tty lives because of the status quo.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] Not in that many locations. l4dak47

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] I do live in America and to explain why I hate it would require a long wall of text. If this nation doesn't get its sh*t together soon, then i hope to move to Canada. LJS9502_basic

Born and raised in the USA, indeed. I wonder why so many people think I'm from the ME. It doesn't annoy me; I just think it's amusing.

And it's true that no place on earth is perfect. But we can at least approach utopia.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Leaving who behind? l4dak47

Americans who are living sh!tty lives because of the status quo.

I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just want to look at America and say "Fvck this place; I don't care about what happens to them." But in my eyes, people are people. It's true that a lot of them are stupid, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve help.

And there are quite a few Americans who choose not to vote. I don't believe that our political system is truly democratic, anyway.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] 59 in Pennsylvania, 38 Ohio, 22 New Jersey, 15 in Illinois, 22 in Indiana, 52 in California, 29 in Colorado etc.....they have restaurants in almost all states dude.LJS9502_basic

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] All of those with the exception of, maybe, PA are not in the Northeast. worlock77

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] NJ certainly is. There is 1 in New York, 2 in Massachusetts, 1 in New Hampshire.....etcLJS9502_basic

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

The vast majority of their locations are in the south. 1 here and 2 there doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] I used to share the desire to move out of the US. But if I do, I'll feel like I'm "leaving them behind", so to speak. If it doesn't get its sh!t together soon, then I'll do what I can to make sure it does. I guess that's a rather big thing to say, though.

ghoklebutter

Born and raised in the USA, indeed. I wonder why so many people think I'm from the ME. It doesn't annoy me; I just think it's amusing.

And it's true that no place on earth is perfect. But we can at least approach utopia.

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

worlock77

The vast majority of their locations are in the south. 1 here and 2 there doesn't change that.

Those damn idiotic southern hicks that think marriage should be between a man and a women. How backward!

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] NJ certainly is. There is 1 in New York, 2 in Massachusetts, 1 in New Hampshire.....etcLJS9502_basic

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

Chick fil a is located in conservative/republican states. They don't exist up here in the Northeast. Not surprising that states filled with bigoted idiots would go and buy food from a bigoted company.

The only way you can get an idea for what is right is the majority opinion, or religion. AdamPA1006

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

worlock77

The vast majority of their locations are in the south. 1 here and 2 there doesn't change that.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Yet he said it was a southern chain and I gave him a list of some states not in the south. AdamPA1006

The vast majority of their locations are in the south. 1 here and 2 there doesn't change that.

Those damn idiotic southern hicks that think marriage should be between a man and a women. How backward!

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You live in the US? Always thought you were in the ME. Anyway....yes it's better to work toward improving a country rather than just leaving it. Anyway there is no utopia on earth.....every place has problems. Some are just bigger than others.....LJS9502_basic

Born and raised in the USA, indeed. I wonder why so many people think I'm from the ME. It doesn't annoy me; I just think it's amusing.

And it's true that no place on earth is perfect. But we can at least approach utopia.

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yes, quite an impressive presence they have in the northeast.

l4dak47

Chick fil a is located in conservative/republican states. They don't exist up here in the Northeast. Not surprising that states filled with bigoted idiots would go and buy food from a bigoted company.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Born and raised in the USA, indeed. I wonder why so many people think I'm from the ME. It doesn't annoy me; I just think it's amusing.

And it's true that no place on earth is perfect. But we can at least approach utopia.

AdamPA1006

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Americans who are living sh!tty lives because of the status quo.

ghoklebutter

I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just want to look at America and say "Fvck this place; I don't care about what happens to them." But in my eyes, people are people. It's true that a lot of them are stupid, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve help.

And there are quite a few Americans who choose not to vote. I don't believe that our political system is truly democratic, anyway.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Most westernized Muslims aren't as adamant for lack of a better word than you used to be back when you first posted here. And then the comments about your family kind of gave me the impression they were old school ME.

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

ghoklebutter

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Born and raised in the USA, indeed. I wonder why so many people think I'm from the ME. It doesn't annoy me; I just think it's amusing.

And it's true that no place on earth is perfect. But we can at least approach utopia.

AdamPA1006

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

Most westernized Muslims aren't as adamant for lack of a better word than you used to be back when you first posted here. And then the comments about your family kind of gave me the impression they were old school ME.

LJS9502_basic

Ah, I see what you mean. You'd be surprised to know, however, that westernized Muslims can be extremely adamant about their views. As for my family, you've only heard about what half of my family members are like; the other side is almost the exact opposite, interestingly. The only similarities they have are their conservative views and faith in God.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Most westernized Muslims aren't as adamant for lack of a better word than you used to be back when you first posted here. And then the comments about your family kind of gave me the impression they were old school ME.

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

princeofshapeir

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

I thought liberals were so nice and tolarant of EVERYONE. I have never attacked anyone on these boards, but everyone attacks me for my views. I thought liberals were supposed to be so tolarant and conservatives mean, hateful, and bigoted.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

AdamPA1006

How is it possible that you're actually getting more idiotic as this thread goes on?

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Most westernized Muslims aren't as adamant for lack of a better word than you used to be back when you first posted here. And then the comments about your family kind of gave me the impression they were old school ME.

Every country has citizens that complain about their government. That includes Canadians no matter what the impression is in OT.

princeofshapeir

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

And you never answered my question. If Socialism is so much better than our current America, why is everyone dieing (literally) to come here? No one is flocking to socialism. Please tell me.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

AdamPA1006

I thought liberals were so nice and tolarant of EVERYONE. I have never attacked anyone on these boards, but everyone attacks me for my views. I thought liberals were supposed to be so tolarant and conservatives mean, hateful, and bigoted.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Canada is not a socialist country.worlock77

How is it possible that you're actually getting more idiotic as this thread goes on?

How is it possible that no one has answered my simple questions?

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Eh..........they're the ones that keep voting in the same politicians that never improve the country. I see it as more of, "they've made their bed, now they have to lay down on it" l4dak47

I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just want to look at America and say "Fvck this place; I don't care about what happens to them." But in my eyes, people are people. It's true that a lot of them are stupid, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve help.

And there are quite a few Americans who choose not to vote. I don't believe that our political system is truly democratic, anyway.

It's interesting how I'm the exact opposite. I can't describe myself as patriotic, though; perhaps "loyal" is a better word. All I can say clearly is that I'm not proud of my country, but I'm willing to help it anyway. And I personally don't think moving away will do anything to help this country.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

I understand where you're coming from. Sometimes you just want to look at America and say "Fvck this place; I don't care about what happens to them." But in my eyes, people are people. It's true that a lot of them are stupid, but that doesn't mean that they don't deserve help.

And there are quite a few Americans who choose not to vote. I don't believe that our political system is truly democratic, anyway.

ghoklebutter

It's interesting how I'm the exact opposite. I can't describe myself as patriotic, though; perhaps "loyal" is a better word. All I can say clearly is that I'm not proud of my country, but I'm willing to help it anyway. And I personally don't think moving away will do anything to help this country.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

AdamPA1006

I hope you know that socialism and liberalism are not synonyms.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

AdamPA1006

And you never answered my question. If Socialism is so much better than our current America, why is everyone dieing (literally) to come here? No one is flocking to socialism. Please tell me.

Classic tactic of the soundly defeated - make a desperate attempt to deflect the subject.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"][QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

If Canada was so great, all the illegal immigrants (or legal) would be flocking there. There is a reason why everyone is dieing to come to this country. Not to socialism.

AdamPA1006

And you never answered my question. If Socialism is so much better than our current America, why is everyone dieing (literally) to come here? No one is flocking to socialism. Please tell me.

[QUOTE="AdamPA1006"]

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"] Does it hurt to be as stupid as you?worlock77

And you never answered my question. If Socialism is so much better than our current America, why is everyone dieing (literally) to come here? No one is flocking to socialism. Please tell me.

Classic tactic of the soundly defeated - make a desperate attempt to deflect the subject.

I don't believe in religion so that makes me smarter than you. l4dak47

:lol:

I'm atheist buddy, you done goofed, big time ;)