Christian Survey: "The biggest question that Atheists frequently ignore is.

That logic is wrong. It's not a 50-50 chance. And if a god does exist, what god is it? Maybe they arent covered.

sonicare

Pascal wager is bull, according to Abrahamic religions this is not what faith is all about.GazaAli

There is no way I can be mad at you wifey :oops:GazaAli

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

That logic is wrong. It's not a 50-50 chance. And if a god does exist, what god is it? Maybe they arent covered.

Victorious_Fize

Atheism doesn't deny the existence of God, that is impossible. We just say there isn't any proof. Such a large claim should have some proof. lol@50/50cheese_game619

You don't have to be an atheist to say there is no proof. So no that's not the definition of atheism.

Pascal wager is bull, according to Abrahamic religions this is not what faith is all about.GazaAli

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[QUOTE="sonicare"]

That logic is wrong. It's not a 50-50 chance. And if a god does exist, what god is it? Maybe they arent covered.

sonicare

Pascal speaks of such God when he speaks of his gambit.

You can make your own version of reaching to such God, see if it'll work or not, obviously, I'm not responsible for anyone declaring you heretical and dissuasive for the one true path and sending you death threats. :P

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Pascal obviously referred to the all powerful monotheistic being that created this world. We kinda refer to him as God. So the issue of which God is it is already covered. It is fallacious to appeal to the existence of other religions to negate an argument within one of them. You need to address an argument by its own weight, not change the subject with conditionals.

Victorious_Fize

Pascal speaks of such God when he speaks of his gambit.

You can make your own version of reaching to such God, see if it'll work or not, obviously, I'm not responsible for anyone declaring you heretical and dissuasive for the one true path and sending you death threats. :P

The christian God is Jesus. The other abrahamic religions doesn't consider Jesus God. Though I agree with your main point.

"When it comes to God, outside of the Christian perspective, there is a 50-50 chance of him existing. He either does or doesn't. Christians, by believing in God, are covered for the afterlife, if it so happens to exist. But Atheists, they drive without insurance, if they're right, they go no where, if they're wrong, well, just remember that Stop drop and Roll does not work in Hell."

He brings up a very valid point.

Why don't atheists just believe in God, but not actively participate in Christian activities such as going to church?

Just believing gets you a ticket into heaven.

So why not?

I'v thought about using this as an argument, but belief is more than just saying you believe oince and then never thinking about it again. This argument is more for saying just hear me out.

There are quite a bit of people who live with a decent sense of humanity while they have no faith in god, why would they be punished?
It's like saying: Hey you achieved the goals but not by my intended means, so go to hell.

So the awnser is: If God exists then he won't punish atheists as long as they lived a good life because doing so diminishes the goals of religion and faith.

Maybe we should all believe in all the other gods humanity has conjured up over our existence too...you know, so we're not wrong.

There are quite a bit of people who live with a decent sense of humanity while they have no faith in god, why would they be punished?
It's like saying: Hey you achieved the goals but not by my intended means, so go to hell.

So the awnser is: If God exists then he won't punish atheists as long as they lived a good life because doing so diminishes the goals of religion and faith.

rastotm

Maybe the actually truth is that if you turn to religion, you go to "hell," and if you just live your life doing good and what not based off your own decisions, not others', then you go to "heaven." :P

You assume that the chance there is a christian god that works according to christian beliefs (based on no solid proof) is a 50/50 chance.

From an athiest point of view the chance that god exists, works through cristian rule and cares enough about us to matter is so insignificant it doesn't really matter.

There are hundreds of religions with the same claims to knowledge of god as the christians, none with any certainty whatsoever. How do you know yours is the right one?

Maybe there is a non christian god who will smite you because youre a christian and support ther inherently sexist and strange beliefs (while giving others a fair shot).

In fact, even that chance would be bigger from a logical point of view than christianity being correct about everything.

I'll take my chances.

;)

"When it comes to God, outside of the Christian perspective, there is a 50-50 chance of him existing."

SaintWalrus

wut?

Why don't atheists just believe in God, but not actively participate in Christian activities such as going to church?SaintWalrus

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"] Pascal obviously referred to the all powerful monotheistic being that created this world. We kinda refer to him as God. So the issue of which God is it is already covered. It is fallacious to appeal to the existence of other religions to negate an argument within one of them. You need to address an argument by its own weight, not change the subject with conditionals.

Victorious_Fize

Pascal speaks of such God when he speaks of his gambit.

You can make your own version of reaching to such God, see if it'll work or not, obviously, I'm not responsible for anyone declaring you heretical and dissuasive for the one true path and sending you death threats. :P

''As it is necessary to affix right ideas to words, I will, before I proceed further into the subject, offer some other observations on the word revelation. Revelation, when applied to religion, means something communicated immediately from God to man. No one will deny or dispute the power of the Almighty to make such a communication, if he pleases.

But admitting, for the sake of a case, that something has been revealed to a certain person, and not revealed to any other person, it is revelation to that person only. When he tells it to a second person, a second to a third, a third to a fourth, and so on, it ceases to be a revelation to all those persons. It is revelation to the first person only, and hearsay to every other, and consequently they are not obliged to believe it. It is a contradiction in terms and ideas, to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second-hand, either verbally or in writing.

Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication — after this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner; for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him. When Moses told the children of Israel that he received the two tables of the commandments from the hands of God, they were not obliged to believe him, because they had no other authority for it than his telling them so; and I have no other authority for it than some historian telling me so. The commandments carry no internal evidence of divinity with them; they contain some good moral precepts, such as any man qualified to be a lawgiver, or a legislator, could produce himself, without having recourse to supernatural intervention.''

When I am told that the Koran was written in Heaven and brought to Mahomet by an angel, the account comes too near the same kind of hearsay evidence and second-hand authority as the former. I did not see the angel myself, and, therefore, I have a right not to believe it.''

Thomas Paine

I'm not a fan of divine revelation. I don't need a middleman between me and god. They always seem to required a leap of faith.

[QUOTE="GazaAli"]Pascal wager is bull, according to Abrahamic religions this is not what faith is all about.Victorious_Fize

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Pascal wager is bull, according to Abrahamic religions this is not what faith is all about.GazaAli

Being a christian is a personal choice, no one can convice an atheist or anyone else other wise unless they have a personal encounter with God and Jesus. Just going to church does not make you a christian you have to have the relationship with God. Since atheist have not had or opened themselves up to a relationship with God, they have no reason to believe in heaven or hell so its not a big concern to them were the end up when they die. I am a christian because I have had a personal encounter with God/ Jesus, there have been things that have happened in my life that can't be explained by anything other than God. I should be dead really, nearly drowned when I was a kid, and 2 car crashes were I walked away okay. Not to mention, a woman a my church 5 year old son drowned in a pool was was pronnnounced dead for 40 mins and after praying suddenly came back to life. For me that's prove enough that God is real.

Being a christian is a personal choice, no one can convice an atheist or anyone else other wise unless they have a personal encounter with God and Jesus. Just going to church does not make you a christian you have to have the relationship with God. Since atheist have not had or opened themselves up to a relationship with God, they have no reason to believe in heaven or hell so its not a big concern to them were the end up when they die. I am a christian because I have had a personal encounter with God/ Jesus, there have been things that have happened in my life that can't be explained by anything other than God. I should be dead really, nearly drowned when I was a kid, and 2 car crashes were I walked away okay. Not to mention, a woman a my church 5 year old son drowned in a pool was was pronnnounced dead for 40 mins and after praying suddenly came back to life. For me that's prove enough that God is real.

djshowstopper87

[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"]

[QUOTE="sonicare"] The christian version of god is only one version of the god that created this world. By obeying christian law, it only has you covered if the god that created this world is the christian god. It is not fallacious to point out the obvious logical fallacy of that argument. You can not assume that it's a 50-50 chance that god exists. There may be two possibilities, but that does not mean they have equal probability. I can play one on one with Kobe Bryant in basketball. Either I win or he wins. But the odds are not 50-50.themajormayor

Pascal speaks of such God when he speaks of his gambit.

You can make your own version of reaching to such God, see if it'll work or not, obviously, I'm not responsible for anyone declaring you heretical and dissuasive for the one true path and sending you death threats. :P

The christian God is Jesus. The other abrahamic religions doesn't consider Jesus God. Though I agree with your main point.

[QUOTE="GhoX"]50/50? That's not how it works even if there are only two possibilities. I say: "I am a dragon". Does that mean there is a 50% chance that I'm actually a dragon? No.Mikey132

Everything in life is 50/50. I have a 50% chance of making it through today. If I buy a lottery ticket today I have a 50/50 chance of winning simply because I have a ticket, no matter what the odds are. There's a 50% chance my car won't start in 30 minutes when I leave for work. One of those 50's will prevail.

For those in Canada and the U.S that drink Tim Horton's Coffee, this year on the Roll up the Rim I won two $100 Tim Cards. The odds of winning one are 1 in 11,000. So how the hell did I win 2 on less than 100 coffees? Odds are only good for paying out bets. The rest is all 50/50 and luck........ that is all.

AND THEN I LOOKED UPON F*CK AM I READING GAAAAAAAH DO PEOPLE DI WNJO{SGR{FN {GS

NO

you are a bad person and going to hell

STOP WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING AND REPENT TO THE DEITY OF YOUR CHOICE (PASCAL'S WAGER AND THAT NONSENSE) FOR ABJECTLY REFUSING TO UTILIZE YOU ABILITY TO REASON

OR MAYBE YOU CANT
JUST STOP IT NOW; SOME OF US HAVE TO READ THIS SHlT

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[QUOTE="Victorious_Fize"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]Pascal wager is bull, according to Abrahamic religions this is not what faith is all about.GazaAli

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

[QUOTE="GhoX"]50/50? That's not how it works even if there are only two possibilities. I say: "I am a dragon". Does that mean there is a 50% chance that I'm actually a dragon? No.coolbeans90

Everything in life is 50/50. I have a 50% chance of making it through today. If I buy a lottery ticket today I have a 50/50 chance of winning simply because I have a ticket, no matter what the odds are. There's a 50% chance my car won't start in 30 minutes when I leave for work. One of those 50's will prevail.

For those in Canada and the U.S that drink Tim Horton's Coffee, this year on the Roll up the Rim I won two $100 Tim Cards. The odds of winning one are 1 in 11,000. So how the hell did I win 2 on less than 100 coffees? Odds are only good for paying out bets. The rest is all 50/50 and luck........ that is all.

AND THEN I LOOKED UPON F*CK AM I READING GAAAAAAAH DO PEOPLE DI WNJO{SGR{FN {GS

NO

you are a bad person and going to hell

STOP WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING AND REPENT TO THE DEITY OF YOUR CHOICE (PASCAL'S WAGER AND THAT NONSENSE) FOR ABJECTLY REFUSING TO UTILIZE YOU ABILITY TO REASON

OR MAYBE YOU CANT
JUST STOP IT NOW; SOME OF US HAVE TO READ THIS SHlT

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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Everything in life is 50/50. I have a 50% chance of making it through today. If I buy a lottery ticket today I have a 50/50 chance of winning simply because I have a ticket, no matter what the odds are. There's a 50% chance my car won't start in 30 minutes when I leave for work. One of those 50's will prevail.

For those in Canada and the U.S that drink Tim Horton's Coffee, this year on the Roll up the Rim I won two $100 Tim Cards. The odds of winning one are 1 in 11,000. So how the hell did I win 2 on less than 100 coffees? Odds are only good for paying out bets. The rest is all 50/50 and luck........ that is all.

-Sun_Tzu-

AND THEN I LOOKED UPON F*CK AM I READING GAAAAAAAH DO PEOPLE DI WNJO{SGR{FN {GS

NO

you are a bad person and going to hell

STOP WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING AND REPENT TO THE DEITY OF YOUR CHOICE (PASCAL'S WAGER AND THAT NONSENSE) FOR ABJECTLY REFUSING TO UTILIZE YOU ABILITY TO REASON

OR MAYBE YOU CANT
JUST STOP IT NOW; SOME OF US HAVE TO READ THIS SHlT

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No.

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="Mikey132"]

Everything in life is 50/50. I have a 50% chance of making it through today. If I buy a lottery ticket today I have a 50/50 chance of winning simply because I have a ticket, no matter what the odds are. There's a 50% chance my car won't start in 30 minutes when I leave for work. One of those 50's will prevail.

For those in Canada and the U.S that drink Tim Horton's Coffee, this year on the Roll up the Rim I won two $100 Tim Cards. The odds of winning one are 1 in 11,000. So how the hell did I win 2 on less than 100 coffees? Odds are only good for paying out bets. The rest is all 50/50 and luck........ that is all.

-Sun_Tzu-

AND THEN I LOOKED UPON F*CK AM I READING GAAAAAAAH DO PEOPLE DI WNJO{SGR{FN {GS

NO

you are a bad person and going to hell

STOP WHATEVER IT IS YOU ARE DOING AND REPENT TO THE DEITY OF YOUR CHOICE (PASCAL'S WAGER AND THAT NONSENSE) FOR ABJECTLY REFUSING TO UTILIZE YOU ABILITY TO REASON

OR MAYBE YOU CANT
JUST STOP IT NOW; SOME OF US HAVE TO READ THIS SHlT

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If god existed i'd be pissed he didn't tell me before... I'll believe it when i see it, that's what i think. If i see a plane i've never seen before i won't instantly shout "ALIENS!" the same way people think they see a miracle and shout "A SIGN FROM GOD!". When i'm surrounded by floating angels and see a big dude then I will then say "Well i'll be darned" but some 1000 year old stories about a man parting a sea or a magic box that vaporizes people on contact aren't going to cut it for me, it takes more than some paper with ink on it to make me change my outlook on life and death.JohnF111

[QUOTE="JohnF111"]If god existed i'd be pissed he didn't tell me before... I'll believe it when i see it, that's what i think. If i see a plane i've never seen before i won't instantly shout "ALIENS!" the same way people think they see a miracle and shout "A SIGN FROM GOD!". When i'm surrounded by floating angels and see a big dude then I will then say "Well i'll be darned" but some 1000 year old stories about a man parting a sea or a magic box that vaporizes people on contact aren't going to cut it for me, it takes more than some paper with ink on it to make me change my outlook on life and death.wis3boi

[QUOTE="cheese_game619"]Atheism doesn't deny the existence of God, that is impossible. We just say there isn't any proof. Such a large claim should have some proof. lol@50/50SaintWalrus

"When it comes to God, outside of the Christian perspective, there is a 50-50 chance of him existing. He either does or doesn't. Christians, by believing in God, are covered for the afterlife, if it so happens to exist. But Atheists, they drive without insurance, if they're right, they go no where, if they're wrong, well, just remember that Stop drop and Roll does not work in Hell."

He brings up a very valid point.

Why don't atheists just believe in God, but not actively participate in Christian activities such as going to church?

Just believing gets you a ticket into heaven.

So why not?

SaintWalrus

[QUOTE="SaintWalrus"]

"When it comes to God, outside of the Christian perspective, there is a 50-50 chance of him existing. He either does or doesn't. Christians, by believing in God, are covered for the afterlife, if it so happens to exist. But Atheists, they drive without insurance, if they're right, they go no where, if they're wrong, well, just remember that Stop drop and Roll does not work in Hell."

He brings up a very valid point.

Why don't atheists just believe in God, but not actively participate in Christian activities such as going to church?

Just believing gets you a ticket into heaven.

So why not?

MrPraline

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I'd rather burn in hell than to submit to such a cruel god.

BossPerson

[QUOTE="Ace6301"] Christianity is not the only religion.Acemaster27

While I'm strong believer that argument is ridiculous. There are hundreds of religions in the world, so if you're retarded enough to think you need to have specific religion to go to heaven (as opposed to being just a good person), then by choosing Christianity you get at most 1% chance of hitting the jackpot

While I'm strong believer that argument is ridiculous. There are hundreds of religions in the world, so if you're retarded enough to think you need to have specific religion to go to heaven (as opposed to being just a good person), then by choosing Christianity you get at most 1% chance of hitting the jackpot

AdrianWerner

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

While I'm strong believer that argument is ridiculous. There are hundreds of religions in the world, so if you're retarded enough to think you need to have specific religion to go to heaven (as opposed to being just a good person), then by choosing Christianity you get at most 1% chance of hitting the jackpot

GrayF0X786

[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]

[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

While I'm strong believer that argument is ridiculous. There are hundreds of religions in the world, so if you're retarded enough to think you need to have specific religion to go to heaven (as opposed to being just a good person), then by choosing Christianity you get at most 1% chance of hitting the jackpot

toast_burner

Brohammed said so.