Christianity, why deny it

Yeah, I'm not sure I should get involved here.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]Isn't it possible that all religions still stem from one Truth that while every religion and ideology got part of right, much could have been misinterpreted based soley on incomprehension. trust_nobody

im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

I'm not even Christian but even I know that if you believe in god just because that way you have nothing to lose, you're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseghoklebutter

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

[QUOTE="LightR"]You're right, it is all around me, and I wish it'd would go away and leave me alone.LightR

Not when you have to go to a Catholic school and Religion is a mandatory subject. :(

Christianity is the belief that God created the entire Universe with all its billions of galaxies and stars. He knows all and can see all. He created black holes and time itself.

He is also extremely concerned about who I have sex with.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

Stuff like this pretty much makes it impossible for me to ever believe in the christan god...the belief that a great bearded man in the sky made ALL THIS, just so he could make us, then test us and put us in either infinite torture or joy, based on the infinitesimal amount of time on this tiny and utterly insignificant rock.....it just strikes me as another egotistic attempt by humans to explain how we got here and why.Darth-Caedus

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

I've never quite understood the whole "all the prophecies were fulfilled" line. If someone believes that the Bible was written by men, they're going to find it awfully easy to accept the idea that the people just wrote it to make it be that way. Have you read through the Gospel of Matthew? Dude practically puts up neon lights and fireworks every single time something in the account jives with an apparent prophecy in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseblack_cat19

I'm not even Christian but even I know that if you believe in god just because that way you have nothing to lose, you're doing it wrong.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

No offense, but is that really all it is to you? Just a way to get ahead in one's eternal destiny?

If not, then why present it as if it ought to be that for others?

[QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose b/QUOTE] Not true. It is quite possible that if a god exists, it is not the christian god. And that god, may in fact hate christians, but not mind atheists ;) Darth-Caedus

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

We are all sinners, no? The wages of sin is death. So, you really have everything to lose.

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Stuff like this pretty much makes it impossible for me to ever believe in the christan god...the belief that a great bearded man in the sky made ALL THIS, just so he could make us, then test us and put us in either infinite torture or joy, based on the infinitesimal amount of time on this tiny and utterly insignificant rock.....it just strikes me as another egotistic attempt by humans to explain how we got here and why.black_cat19

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

[QUOTE="boba707"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] The majority isn't always right. ;)dog64

We are all sinners, no? The wages of sin is death. So, you really have everything to lose.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Stuff like this pretty much makes it impossible for me to ever believe in the christan god...the belief that a great bearded man in the sky made ALL THIS, just so he could make us, then test us and put us in either infinite torture or joy, based on the infinitesimal amount of time on this tiny and utterly insignificant rock.....it just strikes me as another egotistic attempt by humans to explain how we got here and why.MystikFollower

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

[/QUOTE I don't necessarily. All of us as a species are still thinking within the confines of our human logic and therefore can not understand what the nature of God really is and the nature of spirituality. We're to closed to our own world unable to open ourselves to the faith that something completely omniprescent is within every piece of matter and time. For God and spirits in the afterlife time does not exist. Every moment in eternity occurs at once, instanteonously, and eternally. Most of the bible descriptions of God are purely symbolic in nature I believe and don't purport to suggest there's an old guy flying around on a cloud. Technically we couldn't even refer to this Higher Energy, Power, or God as a him or her. It is eternal and it is everything .

Exactly. I think people who claim to have even the SLIGHTEST understanding of who or what God is, is completely arrogant (and stupid). We are a fungus growing on a rock, spinning around a ball of fire. No more.

The prophets were not fortune tellers. They do not predict the future. The prophets were ambassadors for Yayweh. They were simply telling Israel what would happen if they didn't do certian things, rebuild the temple, etc.

The prophets do not predict anything in the New Testament. Don't take the prophets out of context. You must consider the audience, author, setting, and culture.

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="boba707"] but what have we got to loseboba707

We are all sinners, no? The wages of sin is death. So, you really have everything to lose.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Stuff like this pretty much makes it impossible for me to ever believe in the christan god...the belief that a great bearded man in the sky made ALL THIS, just so he could make us, then test us and put us in either infinite torture or joy, based on the infinitesimal amount of time on this tiny and utterly insignificant rock.....it just strikes me as another egotistic attempt by humans to explain how we got here and why.akuma_od3

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

[/QUOTE I don't necessarily. All of us as a species are still thinking within the confines of our human logic and therefore can not understand what the nature of God really is and the nature of spirituality. We're to closed to our own world unable to open ourselves to the faith that something completely omniprescent is within every piece of matter and time. For God and spirits in the afterlife time does not exist. Every moment in eternity occurs at once, instanteonously, and eternally. Most of the bible descriptions of God are purely symbolic in nature I believe and don't purport to suggest there's an old guy flying around on a cloud. Technically we couldn't even refer to this Higher Energy, Power, or God as a him or her. It is eternal and it is everything .

Exactly. I think people who claim to have even the SLIGHTEST understanding of who or what God is, is completely arrogant (and stupid). We are a fungus growing on a rock, spinning around a ball of fire. No more.

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="boba707"]but what have we got to loseboba707

We are all sinners, no? The wages of sin is death. So, you really have everything to lose.

Yes but you still need to be in the right religion to be saved right?

[QUOTE="boba707"][QUOTE="dog64"]

We are all sinners, no? The wages of sin is death. So, you really have everything to lose.

dog64

Yes but you still need to be in the right religion to be saved right?

[QUOTE="LightR"]

[QUOTE="trust_nobody"]

Pretending it's not there is quite efficient.

trust_nobody

Not when you have to go to a Catholic school and Religion is a mandatory subject. :(

Yup. The only reason I go is because there's a better French education then public schools.

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="Darth-Caedus"]Stuff like this pretty much makes it impossible for me to ever believe in the christan god...the belief that a great bearded man in the sky made ALL THIS, just so he could make us, then test us and put us in either infinite torture or joy, based on the infinitesimal amount of time on this tiny and utterly insignificant rock.....it just strikes me as another egotistic attempt by humans to explain how we got here and why.MystikFollower

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

The thing is, the part in bold ^ could just as easily be used as an argument to back up what Darth said. We are insignificant specs of dust with a laughably limited understanding of the world around us floating around in a minuscule rock in the middle of nowhere, and yet we like to think that we are "superior" or "special", and that somehow all of this revolves around us. Heck we even used to believe that we were the literal center of the universe, and beliefs like what Darth stated above are only further proof of our seemingly infinite arrogance.

[QUOTE="dog64"]

[QUOTE="boba707"] we are all sinners it says in the bible that is why god sent his only sonMystikFollower

Yes but you still need to be in the right religion to be saved right?

But most people need a religion to tell them how to worship god, and what not to do and things to avoid, ect. I suppose you could go out on your own and study all the religious texts and then decide which one you believe fits, but if you went through all that then I'd be amazed if you weren't in a religious group by the end.

im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="black_cat19"]

As usual, I completely agree with this man. ^

black_cat19

The thing is, the part in bold ^ could just as easily be used as an argument to back up what Darth said. We are insignificant specs of dust with a laughably limited understanding of the world around us floating around in a minuscule rock in the middle of nowhere, and yet we like to think that we are "superior" or "special", and that somehow all of this revolves around us. Heck we even used to believe that we were the literal center of the universe, and beliefs like what Darth stated above are nothing but further proof of our seemingly infinite arrogance.

True but look at it like this. Just cause God created one intelligent species doesn't mean he didn't create many many more. His purpose was so he could experience himself through another and therefore experience love and oneself. Everything including God is energy. Did you know the energy in a human is comparable to 47 thermonuclear weapons? True fact. Energy in the universe cannot be destroyed or created. True fact. All the energy in all the universe (everything including the space between space) stems from the Big Bang, the creation of the Universe. Therefore I believe the only thing capable of releasing that much constant every transforming energy would be a Higher Power unlike any we could try and understand. That does not mean we can't attain an incredible amount of wisdom and enlightenment over our lifetime. It is my belief that our ultimate pull is that piece of the eternal spirit inside each of us trying to guide us back to God to understand and know as it knows and feel the constant love that it, and we, are. That's not a bad way to spend eternity I don't think.MystikFollower

What they're saying, or at least what I think they're saying, is that the idea that God created the entire universe just for us (humans) is egocentric in nature - which I think is kinda true.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]True but look at it like this. Just cause God created one intelligent species doesn't mean he didn't create many many more. His purpose was so he could experience himself through another and therefore experience love and oneself. Everything including God is energy. Did you know the energy in a human is comparable to 47 thermonuclear weapons? True fact. Energy in the universe cannot be destroyed or created. True fact. All the energy in all the universe (everything including the space between space) stems from the Big Bang, the creation of the Universe. Therefore I believe the only thing capable of releasing that much constant every transforming energy would be a Higher Power unlike any we could try and understand. That does not mean we can't attain an incredible amount of wisdom and enlightenment over our lifetime. It is my belief that our ultimate pull is that piece of the eternal spirit inside each of us trying to guide us back to God to understand and know as it knows and feel the constant love that it, and we, are. That's not a bad way to spend eternity I don't think.GabuEx

What they're saying, or at least what I think they're saying, is that the idea that God created the entire universe just for us (humans) is egocentric in nature - which I think is kinda true.

Its always funny watching christains thinking that they are right, when the only real true religion is the Church of the FSM. Unless you accept the loving touch of the FSM's noodly appendage you are destined to burn.

Its always funny watching christains thinking that they are right, when the only real true religion is the Church of the FSM. Unless you accept the loving touch of the FSM's noodly appendage you are destined to burn.

htekemerald

Because this exists

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"]True but look at it like this. Just cause God created one intelligent species doesn't mean he didn't create many many more. His purpose was so he could experience himself through another and therefore experience love and oneself. Everything including God is energy. Did you know the energy in a human is comparable to 47 thermonuclear weapons? True fact. Energy in the universe cannot be destroyed or created. True fact. All the energy in all the universe (everything including the space between space) stems from the Big Bang, the creation of the Universe. Therefore I believe the only thing capable of releasing that much constant every transforming energy would be a Higher Power unlike any we could try and understand. That does not mean we can't attain an incredible amount of wisdom and enlightenment over our lifetime. It is my belief that our ultimate pull is that piece of the eternal spirit inside each of us trying to guide us back to God to understand and know as it knows and feel the constant love that it, and we, are. That's not a bad way to spend eternity I don't think.MystikFollower

What they're saying, or at least what I think they're saying, is that the idea that God created the entire universe just for us (humans) is egocentric in nature - which I think is kinda true.

All of which I completely agree with (on both of your posts). But Christianity isn't the only religion, and the Christian God isn't the only candidate we have to the title of "Higher Power". I do believe there might be a higher power, but I also believe the very things you're saying (and that I agree with) pretty much negate such a man-centered religion as Christianity.

That's all I'm saying, not that I don't believe there might be a higher power, but that I just don't believe Christianity to be the one true religion (or any other man-made, organized religion, for that matter). Hence why I'm an agnostic atheist. :D

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Yeah, I'm not sure I should get involved here.

ghoklebutter

Lol Seinfeld answers everything...however he is Jewish and has according the the TC he is going to hell......."What's the deal with all the heat...I mean is the thermostat broken......? LMAO!

Well TC, thanks for the laugh.

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

What they're saying, or at least what I think they're saying, is that the idea that God created the entire universe just for us (humans) is egocentric in nature - which I think is kinda true.

black_cat19

All of which I completely agree with (on both of your posts). But Christianity isn't the only religion, and the Christian God isn't the only candidate we have to the title of "Higher Power". I do believe there might be a higher power, but I also believe the very things you're saying (and that I agree with) pretty much negate such a man-centered religion as Christianity.

That's all I'm saying, not that I don't believe there might be a higher power, but that I just don't believe Christianity to be the one true religion (or any other man-made, organized religion, for that matter). Hence why I'm an agnostic atheist. :D

because its wrong, the whole basis of christianity breaks one of the ten comandments, Thou shall not worship any false idols

jesus is worshiped as god more so then the son of him, and that is one hell of a sin

[QUOTE="black_cat19"]

[QUOTE="MystikFollower"] And I firmly believe he didn't build it just for us. I'm sure there's millions of intelligent species out there all on their own journeys toward whatever the higher power is. The Universe is vast enough to have millions and millions of species and have them hardly if ever meet each other. Its still up for debate if they've been here or not in my opinion.htekemerald

All of which I completely agree with (on both of your posts). But Christianity isn't the only religion, and the Christian God isn't the only candidate we have to the title of "Higher Power". I do believe there might be a higher power, but I also believe the very things you're saying (and that I agree with) pretty much negate such a man-centered religion as Christianity.

That's all I'm saying, not that I don't believe there might be a higher power, but that I just don't believe Christianity to be the one true religion (or any other man-made, organized religion, for that matter). Hence why I'm an agnostic atheist. :D

Alright, the "Abrahamic" god, then. Sheeesh, so picky...! :roll:

:P

I'm scared of a god that sends me to hell.

dog64

OT your a fool, this man told me to tell you so.

Salvation folks, now only $35 that's $35, was $45 but I thought what the hell you're all hard workin' people you deserve a break, do I have any takers? Never worry about sinning again! Murder! Adultery! All can be yours without reprocussions for $35 and if I'm lyin' I'm flyin' quadruple that right back to you can I get an amen brothers.

Because God, as per the Old Testament, is far from fair and even further from loving.

The new testament author's could've easily manipulated they're own scriptures to make it seem as though the old testament prophecies came true. The earth's complexity is in no way proof of a god, much less your version of god. Christianity feeds on fear. I'll amputate my arms with a butter knife before I touch that dogma.

I'm scared of a god that sends me to hell.

dog64

We lose Lansdowne and Crushmaster and a new one pops up to balance things out. Must be some sort of cosmic harmony, very Tao-like.D_Battery

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. The topic creator has yet to act sickeningly prideful while casting judgment on everyone, meaning that he's not similar to the two other guys.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="boba707"]im saying my religion is the truth and what if me and all the other millions of christians are wrong,we have nothing to lose but all you nay sayers have everything to loseboba707

Well if you're wrong you spent all your life in fear of a God that doesn't exist, and you shaped your beliefs and probably went through some hardships when your personal belief didn't match up with what the bible told you to believe in.

What have atheists got to lose? God will throw them in hell? Why would they want to spend eternity with a petty Hitler-esque diety?

I'd say Lucifer sounds like a nicer guy than the Old Testament God.

OT your a fool, this man told me to tell you so.

nimatoad2000

:lol:

Awesome.